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Old Jan 10, 2019, 04:17 PM   #61
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Wow lord, fud much? But honestly no, this isn't them exactly take a real swipe for the top spot.
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but was hopping for a x2 card with a faster link or bridge

or just crossfire but the price is high for that and maybe power draw
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Pax you can forget about any great driver optimisations as this is the same arch as the nearly 18 month old Vega 64. Any driver ops are pretty much done by now unless of course they have kept something back. Very doubtful but even if they had, any improvements through the driver will benefit Vega 56/64 as well.

Personally I think this release could be bad news for Navi. Vega VII is basically just a dud Instinct M150 complete with less CU's but the same amount of VRAM and probably the same PCB. Are AMD releasing this card because they want to or are they selling this card because Navi is being delayed? Remember AIB's like Sapphire and Powercolor only sell AMD cards so they need something to sell don't they?

Think about it. As Lisa Su always puts it what is the Target Addressable Market (TAM) for this card purely from a gaming perspective? I wouldn't think most Vega 56/64 owners are interested in 25% more performance for $/£700 more cost (some will be of course). Polaris owners won't pay $/£700 for any card and if you have a 1080ti or better you're not going to buy it either.

If I was in the market right now for a $/£700 even I would buy a 2080 now Nvidia support freesync rather than Vega VII. Now both parties support adaptive sync AMD will need to try harder than this to earn my money next time I'm in the market.
Putting your NEGATIVE AMD rant you have been on for the last few weeks aside, I am not sure what drivers you have been using, but the Vega 56/64 has steadily been getting performance optimizations with nearly every driver release, if not every other one since it's release. All though maybe not in the games you play, but I have seen a steady improvement in the games I play. Even the latest 19.1.1 drivers just released, they have improved the performance for the Vega 64 in Fornite. So no, Driver optimizations are not done.

As for the price that people are complaining about, look around, prices on everything are rising, as well as the fact that 7nm process is new, meaning it cost more to produce, specially if there is a yield issue.


As for Nvidia's RTX 2080 with Ray Tracing, and DLSS.. it is dead tech Until AMD decides to start working on it. Why? Because AMD has pretty much locked the console division, with getting the contract for the PS5 (basically having all the contracts for all the big consoles). Since most games now days are developed for consoles and ported to PC, if AMD doesn't support it, Most likely PC versions won't either and if they do, it will be very limited, as most developers won't want to put the money or the time into Ray Tracing and DLSS that isn't supported on the consoles. Now, there will be those few games that Nvidia will throw money at the devs to add it, but in the big picture, it isn't going very far without AMD on board. Even now, all the hype around Ray Tracing and DLSS, how many games have been released using it? Even games that have promised support have yet to release anything except 1. IN all seriousness, how long have the cards been out? 4 months now, with only one game "partially" and "cut back" version of Ray Tracing.. (BFV) with NO games released that support DLSS. Ray Tracing and DLSS is just pretty much just marketing flare to get people to buy them, with basically no real world use for them at this point and time.

The Vega II is being released with the equal and possible slightly better performance than the 2080 (we will see when the real reviews come out), which is really the fastest card that is in a price range that most consumers can afford. The GTX 2080 ti is like a Lamborghini that very few average consumers can actually afford to purchase at $1300 a pop. I see nothing wrong with aiming at a performance level where the majority of sales will be generated out of the top GPU bracket.

Considering that nobody was expecting any kind of GPU release that even came close to the 2080 serious cards to be released from AMD till late 2019 or 2020, this is a good thing, even if you don't agree with the price or the performance of the card.
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Instead, the biggest difference between the two cards is on the memory/ROP backend. Radeon Vega 64 (Vega 10) featured 64 ROPs and 2 HBM2 memory channels running at 1.89Gbps each, for a total of 484GB/sec of memory bandwidth. Radeon VII (Vega 20) doubles this and then some to 128 ROPs and 4 HBM2 memory channels, which also means memory capacity has doubled to 16GB. And then there’s the clockspeed boost on top of this: 1800MHz for the ROPs, and 2.0Gbps for the HBM2 memory. As a result Radeon VII has a lot more pixel pushing power, and a lot more in the way of resources to feed it to get there. Given these changes and AMD’s performance estimates, I think this lends a lot of evidence to the idea that Vega 10 was unbalanced – it needed more ROPs and/or more memory bandwidth to feed it – but that’s something we’ll save for the eventual review.
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Honestly, this is what Raja Koduri wanted to do with Vega but Lisa wanted to focus on their CPU side first.

Clock for Clock... (because my RX Vega64 Liquid card can do 1800Mhz core and hold it there... ) The Vega II 7nm is beating my card in gaming by 18% or more based on AMD's slides. Which says to me, Vega II is more than just a die shrink. They did optimize the **** out of it and this is what Vega was meant to be.

That said, if they can get yields up and release a water cooled variant... I might bite. Because a 64CU/128ROP version.. would be worth it.
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Heaps of memory and memory bandwidth plus few bottleneck tweaks suggests this is going to be an good 4k+ video card... of course I think a few people will remain fixated on 1080p benchmarks.

Vega is pretty decent min fps wise, Vega 2 should be butter
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Heaps of memory and memory bandwidth plus few bottleneck tweaks suggests this is going to be an good 4k+ video card... of course I think a few people will remain fixated on 1080p benchmarks.

Vega is pretty decent min fps wise, Vega 2 should be butter
Problem is 1080P benchmarks don't mean diddly, as they are to CPU dependent.
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Heaps of memory and memory bandwidth plus few bottleneck tweaks suggests this is going to be an good 4k+ video card... of course I think a few people will remain fixated on 1080p benchmarks.

Vega is pretty decent min fps wise, Vega 2 should be butter

Those fixated on 1080p benchmarks are idiots.
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Honestly, this is what Raja Koduri wanted to do with Vega but Lisa wanted to focus on their CPU side first.

Clock for Clock... (because my RX Vega64 Liquid card can do 1800Mhz core and hold it there... ) The Vega II 7nm is beating my card in gaming by 18% or more based on AMD's slides. Which says to me, Vega II is more than just a die shrink. They did optimize the **** out of it and this is what Vega was meant to be.

That said, if they can get yields up and release a water cooled variant... I might bite. Because a 64CU/128ROP version.. would be worth it.
There is a different between your 1800Mhz liquid cooled card and the vega II. Your's is liquid cooled, and the Vega II is air cooled. The Vega 64 Liquid cooled cards use binned chips, as there are a lot of air cooled owners who can't break 1700Mhz, even when converted over to water (I am one of them).

I do have to agree that there are more than just a die shrink going on with the Vega II.
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Hey, be nice, you are talking about 90% of the population..
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Honestly, this is what Raja Koduri wanted to do with Vega but Lisa wanted to focus on their CPU side first.

Clock for Clock... (because my RX Vega64 Liquid card can do 1800Mhz core and hold it there... ) The Vega II 7nm is beating my card in gaming by 18% or more based on AMD's slides. Which says to me, Vega II is more than just a die shrink. They did optimize the **** out of it and this is what Vega was meant to be.

That said, if they can get yields up and release a water cooled variant... I might bite. Because a 64CU/128ROP version.. would be worth it.
Ya thats a pretty major diff and for a long time nvidia had more rops. I think their top card had 96? The fill rate on vega 2 IINM must be insane. It also adds a good billion transistors over vega1 not sure if thats the rops but the ones getting vega2 might be in line for something interesting. Huang got pissy about it when he usually just ignores amd... maybe he knows something?

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Ya thats a pretty major diff and for a long time nvidia had more rops. I think their top card had 96? The fill rate on vega 2 IINM must be insane. It also adds a good billion transistors over vega1 not sure if thats the rops but the ones getting vega2 might be in line for something interesting. Huang got pissy about it when he usually just ignores amd... maybe he knows something?

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didn't see it had 128 rops thought it was still 64


maybe they are sandbagging the game scores

would be funny if it matched the 2080 ti for 699 at 4k

February 7 is too long

I want reviews

I got cash for two maybe if the power draw is in reason
and they give a sign of backing CFX better
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And heres another thing Im wondering about... if we can enable pci-e 4 on our x300-400 mobos maybe we can get the new NVME to work on them. 4gb/s!

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ss...vme,38418.html

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And heres another thing Im wondering about... if we can enable pci-e 4 on our x300-400 mobos maybe we can get the new NVME to work on them. 4gb/s!

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ss...vme,38418.html

better question is Radeon 7 PCIE 4.0 ?

or will it be latter with a bios update

it might give Radeon 7 a boost at 4k over RTX on 3.0
and it should help crossfire or a Radeon 7 x2 if they can get the price down a bit

my rampage iv extreme and 7870's were the first on 3.0 but it did take a bit for asus to get it working
would be nice to get both on 4.0

and sell a lot of new Ryzen systems

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Afaik it doesn't support PCIE 4. I believe Navi will, though.
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How would pcie4 help anything when it's already got 16GB of local total 1TB/s data access
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More benches from AMD for what they're worth.

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How would pcie4 help anything when it's already got 16GB of local total 1TB/s data access
that's to the gpu memory only


bridgeless crossfire works thru PCIE so 4.0's higher bandwidth may help




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On another forum I frequent one of the members works for one of the UK's biggest e-tailers and he reached out to Sapphire who told him there will be NO 8gb HBM2 cards at all. All the cards for the foreseeable future will be provided by AMD will be 16gb and they will simply sticker them. They did say their may be custom cooled versions in the future but they would be more expensive, which makes sense. This leads credence to the fact that these are just failed Instinct cards where the interposter and HBM2 had already been assembled before the dies failed Q&A.

If so, AMD are playing a smart game here. Originally these cards were not intended to be released as consumer gaming cards they were meant to be Instinct cards. However, as they realised the yields were not where they would have liked they faced the prospect of writing off the failed parts and taking a hit on their accounts. Fortunately Nvidia came to the rescue with the launch of Turing and its high price levels which meant the 2080 only had 1080ti performance but was costing $£700. So Vega VII was born and AMD realised they could release the failed parts as a consumer gaming card because it could match the 2080 performance in gaming. Obviously the cost of an Instinct card with 16gb meant they needed to match the cost of the 2080 without of course the benefit of Ray tracing and DLSS.

This situation now becomes a win-win situation for AMD because each card they sell will make them a profit and reduce the hit of writing down the failed parts on their accounts. The main problem with this strategy is the price. The $£700 price is probably a low as AMD can go and still make a profit so to keep these cards profitable they have little wiggle room on price. On the other hand can they afford to lose on each card by reducing the price because they were going to write them off anyway. Only time will tell.

The member had also seen a reference card and he said the fans on the card were very Sapphire like which I presume to mean Tri-X. If so they should be able to take care of any thermal issues. My Fury Tri-X was a great card and very quiet and cool. If the price does drop and it gets near to £550 then that will definitely pique my interest and I'm afraid I would buy it at that price. This is of course just my personal opinion.
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If the price does drop and it gets near to £550 then that will definitely pique my interest and I'm afraid I would buy it at that price. This is of course just my personal opinion.
May I suggest you get yourself a neck brace, so you don't get whiplash.
Yesterday you had nothing good to say about the Vega II and for the past couple weeks it was AMD, but today you are willing to buy one if the price drops. Be careful, we wouldn't want you to get hurt.
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better question is Radeon 7 PCIE 4.0 ?

or will it be latter with a bios update

it might give Radeon 7 a boost at 4k over RTX on 3.0
and it should help crossfire or a Radeon 7 x2 if they can get the price down a bit

my rampage iv extreme and 7870's were the first on 3.0 but it did take a bit for asus to get it working
would be nice to get both on 4.0

and sell a lot of new Ryzen systems

Rumor X570 might have quad channel ram:




Its not what Jim at Adored says its one of the tech sites he quotes in this video... Su talks in the same vein about a quad channel ram question as she does about there being a second cpu chiplet coming...

@ 15m 35s mark.
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Hey Gandalf.. Didn't I say a few months ago AMD was working on a big project on the GPU side and my CPU side source was like.. "RTG is locked down on any information about it.. but rumor was it is Vega 7nm for consumers". I was told 1Q but nothing more beyond that.


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I wondered why the performance gains were not bigger if they had 128 ROPS. Here's the answer..https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/2...en-misreported

So just a die shrunk Vega 1 with no tweaks then relying purely on increased memory bandwidth and higher clocks.
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Ah dang. Oh well itll still be cool to see what they did with that extra billion trannies in reviews.
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So just a die shrunk Vega 1 with no tweaks then relying purely on increased memory bandwidth and higher clocks.
less than a die shrunk

vega 1 4096:256:64.
vega 2 3840:240:64.

wccftech was right the first time

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64 is still plenty for 4k tho. I had some 8k fantasies...

Im still wondering how that huge memory bw and amount will come into play. Ocing will be fun too. Looking forward to reviews. FP 64 is in there too...
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We didnt see any new Radeon VII AIB cards on CES, any solid news about that?
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We didnt see any new Radeon VII AIB cards on CES, any solid news about that?
Read my earlier post Sapphire are saying all initial cards are AMD reference and their may be some custom cooled cards later but they will be more expensive. This card was never on AMD roadmap but hey syncroncity happened and it got released
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