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Old Aug 10, 2020, 12:36 AM   #211
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Series X is the only one that anyone should consider. Not sure why gays will opt for Series S. Is the latter faster than X1X?
It depends on the $$.
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I don’t really understand the positioning since I also learnt that MS wants to continue with X1X. Whatever that means?
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Series X is the only one that anyone should consider. Not sure why gays will opt for Series S. Is the latter faster than X1X?
Depends on the price, GPU wise it's probably similar to X1X however it's CPU and everything else is much faster.

It's probably targetting 1080P users, and if you can get next gen graphics but at 1080P for like 250, instead of 500.

It's a smart move in this environment at the moment where you have 25-30 million suddenly unemployed in the US, and many with a much tighter budget.

Of course in Europe/asia etc where there was hardly any unemployment wont make much different, but we shall see.
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Series X is the only one that anyone should consider. Not sure why gays will opt for Series S. Is the latter faster than X1X?
Yes it'll be faster and more feature rich than the X1X but will be targeting 1080-1440p.
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Yes it'll be faster and more feature rich than the XSX but will be targeting 1080-1440p.
I am assuming you meant X1X and not XSX.
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So they're going with a low-med-large approach?

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Yeah, the One X and One S all-digital have been discontinued. The regular One S will continue to be manufactured for the time being.
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Yeah, the One X and One S all-digital have been discontinued. The regular One S will continue to be manufactured for the time being.
Not for long, I think, unless they can drop the price to 100 bucks.
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Halo Infinite delayed to 2021....

https://twitter.com/Halo/status/1293261002037841920

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It's the right choice if it's not ready, but it's still quite a bummer.
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It's the right choice if it's not ready, but it's still quite a bummer.
This.

Unfortunately, this leaves Xbox series x with no must-have game for launch. Hopefully they can have some really 4k updates ready at launch for a bunch of popular xbone games. Hopefully they'll have Panzer Dragoon Orta and Unreal Championship 2 running in 4k.
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I dont see buying any games at launch, going to be picking up the Series X and be done with buying for quite a while using game pass which is paid through Aug. 2022.
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I'll be getting PS5/XSX at launch, slowly transitioning away from PC gaming, I'll get used to the shittier framerates.

With my sister using gameshare sharing the costs on both platforms I'll be getting PS+ and ultimate cheaper, and can split the costs on AAA games.

Roughly the same experience for much cheaper prices.

When a 35" OLED comes out, then I can put it on my PC desk.
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I dont see buying any games at launch, going to be picking up the Series X and be done with buying for quite a while using game pass which is paid through Aug. 2022.
Yah, I have close to 200 games now on my One X (that will play even better on Series X) and I have Gamepass (thanks to many good deals over the past few years) until July 2023

I'll be good for a long time
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Yah, I have close to 200 games now on my One X (that will play even better on Series X) and I have Gamepass (thanks to many good deals over the past few years) until July 2023

I'll be good for a long time
I think this maybe the main reason I don’t get a PS5, don’t really like putting out $60 for every new release and they want to raise that price. That and the fact I don’t think I get my money’s worth out of most of my games as I have a ridiculous amount of games I have never even played. I probably finish about 2 percent of the games I own.
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Series X GPU architecture deep dive:

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The thing that can save performance on this console is how the MS equivelant of DLSS holds up. If it's as good as quality or 99% the same as native then Xbox is going to be leaps beyond PS5 in graphics.

IF Sony doesn't have a similar solution.

CPU is no slower than Desktop Ryzen but that's to be expected, also seems it's based on RDNA 1, but eh.

500-600 is guranteed at this point, I'll buy one anyway.
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I was hoping on an outside chance of $399 Guess I'm still going to have to pony up $230 or $340 real money for this. I think they are pushing the boundaries of console gaming if they go $600 though. Definitely wont be buying both at a $600 price tag each.
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also seems it's based on RDNA 1, but eh.
I think the guy's commentary about supposed similarities to RDNA1 is only going to give people the wrong idea. They'll just start claiming it's RDNA1, like you have here. This is the first RDNA2 chip we've seen in detail. It appears to be an evolution and not a completely new design (on the outside at least, per the author's words).

I just don't see them pricing it at $599. It's basically suicide. They've already mentioned they're not going to make a mistake like that and they want to undercut Sony. Even if they have to take some kind of loss on the hardware it'll be $500 max.
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I think the guy's commentary about supposed similarities to RDNA1 is only going to give people the wrong idea. They'll just start claiming it's RDNA1, like you have here. This is the first RDNA2 chip we've seen in detail. It appears to be an evolution and not a completely new design (on the outside at least, per the author's words).

I just don't see them pricing it at $599. It's basically suicide. They've already mentioned they're not going to make a mistake like that and they want to undercut Sony. Even if they have to take some kind of loss on the hardware it'll be $500 max.
There's a reason why Sony or MS haven't mentioned the price yet, for sure it's not going to be below 500. IF it is, then great saves me money.

But we have a CPU that's almost as fast as a 3700X however with some features removed, a GPU that's almost 2080ti level, and a NVME drive which alone usually costs 120-150.

So I have a hard time believing this is going to be anything but 500-600.

Though I'm quite happy to be proved wrong and it's 400.
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Retail leaks are saying Xbox series x is $600. I actually think that's fine, as the series S will cost half that... As long as series x is really premium... If PS5 is more powerful and costs less, then that's a problem.

I can see things breaking down like this:
Series S: $300.
PS5: $500
Series x: $600

As long as each console's performance is in line with the price, it'll be fine.
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"Leaks" from retailers have all been placeholder prices. They don't know the final price anymore than we do.
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No way the price of the series x is going to be more then PS5. They already tried that and failed.
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Too much Frodo not enough UI.
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Too much Frodo not enough UI.


Not a fan of ANY modern UI. Why do they all have to be a collection of random squares/windows with miscellaneous activities and icons splattered all over the place?

Seriously, they're terrible. Playstation is the worst, but XBox isn't that much better.
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There's a reason why Sony or MS haven't mentioned the price yet, for sure it's not going to be below 500. IF it is, then great saves me money.

But we have a CPU that's almost as fast as a 3700X however with some features removed, a GPU that's almost 2080ti level, and a NVME drive which alone usually costs 120-150.

So I have a hard time believing this is going to be anything but 500-600.

Though I'm quite happy to be proved wrong and it's 400.
They both realize how important it'll be to competitively price their hardware considering the economic beating that's happened around the world this year. I believe they're both playing a game of price chicken...Microsoft doesn't NOT want to launch with a price much different than Sony this time and both companies know they can only afford to cut their price so much without taking a financial beating themselves.

I believe that the price of the Series X will depend heavily on what Sony prices the PS5 at. I don't know who'll flinch first but they won't be able to keep the price secret for too much longer.

If Sony launches at $499USD then Microsoft will likely stay very close to that, perhaps $549 max. If Sony launches at $599USD then I believe Microsoft will match it or maybe just slightly undercut it to minimize their financial hit

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Retail leaks are saying Xbox series x is $600. I actually think that's fine, as the series S will cost half that... As long as series x is really premium... If PS5 is more powerful and costs less, then that's a problem.

I can see things breaking down like this:
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PS5: $500
Series x: $600

As long as each console's performance is in line with the price, it'll be fine.
The PS5 isn't more powerful than the Series X so there's no worries there
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It's great that they're improving the UI, cause the Xbox one ui was absolute ****.

Btw, I'm a UX designer by profession, so that's an expert opinion.
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If anything the Series X is going to undercut Sony on price if they at all can. If not, they will both be exactly the same price. When your coming from an underdog position your not going to price it higher then your competitor.
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