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Old Jul 23, 2019, 05:31 PM   #181
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I will try Ryzen master tonight, not sure what app to trust now.
It's just like OG ryzen launch, they will all get updates to better mesh with it.

Haven't tried HWInfo yet as that was my usual go to

Edit: That's weird, had more typed, but didn't post once submitted.

I think the big thing people who are complaining about their higher voltages need to do is listen to AMD about the need to not run multiple hardware info programs. If I do not disable the Corsair link stuff then I'm pretty much pegged at 1.4v and do not have it ever enter an idle state unless it is gone where I'm then going under 1v at about 3.6GHz.
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Old Jul 23, 2019, 07:39 PM   #182
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Jay you read my mind, I removed Asus AI suite and installed Ryzen master only. Asus AI was junk it had the wrong temps they were way off.

I turned on precision boost and tried auto overclock in a couple of games it did increase my frames and all cores ran at 4350 during game play.

Never gave RM a chance but I kind of like it now. Had one error once I rebooted about the driver missing for RM.

Here is how I fixed it.
In search type regedit and navigate to:

Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\

If you see the following two entries:

AMDRyzenMasterDriverV13

AMDRyzenMasterDriverV14

right click AMDRyzenMasterDriverV13 and delete it.

reboot.
This way windows can correctly load the v14 version RM requires to function.
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Old Jul 23, 2019, 07:47 PM   #183
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So I just ran the Division 2 benchmark in DirectX12 at 3440x1440 on my Titan Xp and 3900X. Here's a MSI Afterburner screenshot of the 12 physical cores:



This is with all default settings in the BIOS on my X470 Taichi motherboard, PBO is not enabled. CPU seems to be boosting as advertised for me, not quite 4600Mhz but I'll take it. This is with the Ryzen Balanced power plan btw.
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So I just ran the Division 2 benchmark in DirectX12 at 3440x1440 on my Titan Xp and 3900X. Here's a MSI Afterburner screenshot of the 12 physical cores:



This is with all default settings in the BIOS on my X470 Taichi motherboard, PBO is not enabled. CPU seems to be boosting as advertised for me, not quite 4600Mhz but I'll take it. This is with the Ryzen Balanced power plan btw.

God damn that's sexy. I can't wait to install mine, came Saturday but haven't had the time to do it yet.

Let's hope it runs as well on my Asus
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Looks great Dave, I believe a bios update or two we will squeak out every last drop of power these new cpu's offer.
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I was expecting this upgrade to be a pain in the ass considering how much trouble some folks are having. Simply upgraded to the latest beta bios for the X470 Taichi (3.46 at this time), popped out my 2600X, installed the 3900X, reinstalled Windows and AMD chipset drivers and boom no issues at all.
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Probably the easiest memory overclock ever, lol. Punched in my RAM config into Ryzen DRAM calculator, selected DDR4-3600, rebooted into bios - punched in the calculated settings and boom, no issues at all:



Really happy with this chip and motherboard.
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Awesome Dave. Boost clock is great and that memory is saweeeeet. Noice.
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Sorry if I missed it, on my phone. What memory kit you running?
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Those timings are tight, AMD has really improved. 3900x ain't no joke.
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Probably the easiest memory overclock ever, lol. Punched in my RAM config into Ryzen DRAM calculator, selected DDR4-3600, rebooted into bios - punched in the calculated settings and boom, no issues at all:



Really happy with this chip and motherboard.
no idea how to use this thing I wanna get my ram up to 3600 if possible

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The Gskill Flarex I have also clocked to 3600 cas 16 I was shocked it worked so easily i may try to lower the settings now
Dave did you set your fabric settings to 1800 in the bios? I saw a couple of video's on youtube that stated you should do that and not leave it on auto.
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As long as it's B-die you'll do 3600 cas14 easy.
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Finally installed my 3900x on my crosshair vii hero, I chose the hottest day of the year


So I turned it on, set boot dram and dram voltage to 1.4v to be safe, set memory to docp which is 3600 c16, set fclk to 1800 (half ram) turned pbo over drive on etc.

And it just works no problem, I've seen cores boost to 4.57ghz however when running single core stress tests I've not seen above 4.35ghz.

Ran cinebench r15 got single core 205, multi 3200. For reference my 2700x would do 181/1959, that was my best ever score and was heavily overclocked too, both cpu and ram.

It's running a little warm and not boosting as well as I'd like but I haven't messed with anything yet plus we need a new agesa for best results, I imagine with some tweaking that single core result will improve a fair bit.

Temps and voltages aren't too bad but I think I need to do some tweaking there.

Overall I'm happy, watching that cinebench run was amazing!

Also got my 3600c16 ram to 3600 c14 although I'm thinking of swapping this to trident z neo 3600cl14 when it arrives, depends how many arms and legs it costs
The 3000 series memory overclocking is an absolute breeze compared to previous generations.

Anyone else got this board and managed to get the cores to boost above 4.35ghz doing single core stress tests?

I haven't touched ryzen master or ccx overclocking etc, would appreciate some help getting the full boost if that's possible on this agesa.
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So after some testing and monitoring it seems that boost briefly works after logging into windows then for some reason all of my cores are locked at a constant 4.25 ghz.

Anyone got any ideas?

Edit, think I've found out why, really need that new agesa... Hopefully this fixes it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...e_limit_boost/

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Nope, still stuck.... wtf.
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Well I couldn't wait for the 3900x and board I want to come back in stock, but I had already picked up that samsung b-die ram 3200(CLS14) RAM kit.

I put that **** in my server that's rocking an x370 Hero board with a 1700x that's never been truly stable, and mother of God what a difference! I just torture tested it for an hour at 3200mhz and it was rock solid. I wouldn't have made it 15 minutes before with that generic 3000mhz kit from corsair I had in there.

The system is so much faster now too!
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I haven't touched ryzen master or ccx overclocking etc, would appreciate some help getting the full boost if that's possible on this agesa.
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So after some testing and monitoring it seems that boost briefly works after logging into windows then for some reason all of my cores are locked at a constant 4.25 ghz.

Anyone got any ideas?

Edit, think I've found out why, really need that new agesa... Hopefully this fixes it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...e_limit_boost/

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Nope, still stuck.... wtf.

Maybe try disabling PBO and Auto OC and see if it makes a difference? The implementation of PBO is sort of buggy right now and in some cases it may actually degrade performance.

Also, make sure you're not on High Performance. Go with Ryzen Balanced instead. The fact it works for the first couple of minutes suggests it's something related to the power plans kicking in. I know because I always run in Power Saver, but regardless for the first minute or two after Windows loads my CPU will still be boosted to max.
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Right, so after some messing around with the bios, specifically AMD precision boost overdrive, setting +200Mhz and one other setting (will update when I can recall) I'm now boosting for longer and have topped out so far at 4.575.

Cinebench single core has gone up slightly by 5 points, I'm happy with this for now, I will have to wait until the weekend for a proper tweaking session.

Now the odd thing, I have found what was causing all my cores to 'get stuck' at 4.25GHz and not fluctuate (although it's now 4.35GHz)..... It's steam!

Tried it multiple times, doesn't matter if it's in the foreground or minimised to tray, if steam is running my clocks are 'stuck', as soon as I close steam they are fluctuating as expected.

Does anyone else have this issue?
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Regarding the cores getting stuck. It's actually a pretty common problem. Some apps apparently are causing the CPU boost algorithm to think they're under load even though they're not. It may have something to do with the program doing some sort of CPU polling, which keeps waking the cores up. It results in higher idle clocks/power consumption, and also lower max boost, probably because it keeps the CPU from realizing the other cores can be clocked down since they're not doing anything.

Some also claim the running memory higher than 3600 MHz causes the bug. I haven't verified that myself. It may also be board/CPU dependent.

Hopefully a fix is being worked on.

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Regarding the cores getting stuck. It's actually a pretty common problem. Some apps apparently are causing the CPU boost algorithm to think they're under load even though they're not. It may have something to do with the program doing some sort of CPU polling, which keeps waking the cores up. It results in idle clocks/power consumption, and also lower max boost, probably because it keeps the CPU from realizing the other cores can be clocked down since they're not doing anything.

Some also claim the running memory higher than 3600 MHz causes the bug. I haven't verified that myself. It may also be board/CPU dependent.

Hopefully a fix is being worked on.
That's my thinking too, I've read about various software causing this issue but especially monitoring software

I've read about the memory workaround, tried pulling each back 50mhz but no dice for me.

Asus have pulled everything now as far as I'm aware as the latest bios they were working on was cancelled by AMD, it's in AMDs court now, then asus etc have to work on it... may take some time.
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Not sure if its for all boards or maybe agesa version related but some people have gotten better results by using Ryzen Performance setting in power plan under windows.

Oddly I dont see it on my desktop might be a R3K only thing. I only see Ryzen balanced.
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Oddly I dont see it on my desktop might be a R3K only thing. I only see Ryzen balanced.
I have that option but haven't tried it yet, will give that a go as well as look into ryzen master.
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OC'd my B-die RAM to 3600 at 14-15-15-30 (plus all other recommended sub timings)

Time Spy CPU score increased 5.5% from 9755 to 10291
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Old Jul 24, 2019, 08:50 PM   #207
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I was able to get my Gskill FlareX to 3600 at 14,14,14,38 @ 1.4V This memory is amazing, I almost bought some pc3600 ram at cas 16

did not know there was a Ryzen performance profile I just switch to it.
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Old Jul 25, 2019, 05:07 AM   #208
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I was able to get my Gskill FlareX to 3600 at 14,14,14,38 @ 1.4V This memory is amazing, I almost bought some pc3600 ram at cas 16

did not know there was a Ryzen performance profile I just switch to it.

That's awesome, memory overclocking on the 3000 series is such a nice change, could be a pain in the arse to get something stable on previous generations.

I've forgotten about exchanging these for the neo, 3600c14 will do me too, I've been cheeky and done an amazon return on them and ordered the same kit off amazon.... some one on reddit pointed out to me that they went down by >£100 in the two weeks I purchased them... can't really ignore that!
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Old Jul 25, 2019, 05:21 AM   #209
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X370 and X470 ab agesa is finally dropping for many Asus boards:

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthrea...-1003AB-Bioses

I'm going to test this evening.
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Old Jul 25, 2019, 06:26 AM   #210
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X370 and X470 ab agesa is finally dropping for many Asus boards:

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthrea...-1003AB-Bioses

I'm going to test this evening.
Responses in that post aren't all that cheerful about it...
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