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Old Dec 16, 2019, 12:11 AM   #1
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Basically a high end air cooler but the design of no moving parts outside of the fans and the cooling capability of a good AIO has sold me one:


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For 120$ its good enough of a deal and the end model will weigh less than the Noctua NH-D15. My aio is about 4 years old and I feel they have about a 5 year lifespan for the pump and water loss over time so was looking for something to replace it. This thing has been used in industrial settings for some time due to low maintenance and durability so its not experimental and has a ~10 year lifespan outside the fans. Thats nuts but probably any air cooler with heat pipes can claim similar durability outside the fans...

I just hope this will work on AM5 socket in a few years.

I also like the cooling orientation bottom to top chimney style. My case can accomodate that.

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Old Dec 16, 2019, 01:06 AM   #2
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Why no comparison to noctua nh-d15?

Doesn't seem very impressive.
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Why no comparison to noctua nh-d15?

Doesn't seem very impressive.

Probably because of the wattage tested. Thats why they used the noctua 14 TR as this was a hedt setting pushing higher ocs/watts. I think if the i115 corsair aio throttles at 400w then my bet is you cant run nh-d15 at all. Most air coolers top out around 250-300w. Tho noctua doesnt give heat dissipation specs for its coolers they might go a bit higher than that for standard sockets like am4.

If you used this cooler on am4 at ~200w you might not even need the fans.
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Old Dec 16, 2019, 08:50 AM   #4
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Looks like it is just because the 14 has a Threadripper base.

NH-D15 still has better overall cooling, at least for smaller cpu. Better or as good as the best water coolers.

Considering the size of the thing, it doesn't seem very impressive. All Noctua would have to do to match it is release a NH-D15 with a noisier higher speed fan and a TR block.

I hate referencing THG, but they are the only other outlet that did a review so far. You can see that it is just barely beating the 14 and the 14 is using a much lower flow fan. For a better comparison, the coolers should be running comparable fans, or at least at comparable noise levels. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...iphon-cooler/2
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The prototype of it beat an ek 360 AIO and the retail ver is basically a 240mm rad with 3 cooling pipes instead of the 2 in the prototype. Not sure how it would fare vs the noctua 15 but seems it can dissipate a lot more heat. It maybe that the noctua and other ac's makes more sense for smaller sockets but I cant stand their size.

I will try some good high static pressure fans with it if the retail is still using the deltas. Maybe even push pull.

Have to add that they are getting these results using just aluminium, no copper. Like Linus said if they did make a copper version temps would almost certainly be even better.
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I'm interested. Engineers are apparently planning on making it much smaller with no loss of performance...

I'll wait for it to land at MicroCenter + a few more reviews...I like it though.
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yeah ill def be watching this one. If they do a copper version and can reduce the size by a decent amount id be in for one (though id still maintain a custom loop for my gpu.
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That cooler weighs 4.85lbs. what's the weight limit can a mobo support?
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Thats the prototype only. The retail model will weigh 100 grams less than the NH-D15. About 2 lbs.

I remember reading when heatpipes came out how they were to have full loops eventually but they never got around to it. Cost was an issue at the time but things have moved since then. Id have waited if it was too close to 200$ but the pre order price of 120$ was good enough for me to try this.
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Thats the prototype only. The retail model will weigh 100 grams less than the NH-D15. About 2 lbs.

I remember reading when heatpipes came out how they were to have full loops eventually but they never got around to it. Cost was an issue at the time but things have moved since then. Id have waited if it was too close to 200$ but the pre order price of 120$ was good enough for me to try this.
Because it isn't like products that over promise and under deliver come along every day. You got to jump on this turd while it's still steaming hot.

If there was a way to short this company, I would love to jump on that bandwagon.
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Because it isn't like products that over promise and under deliver come along every day. You got to jump on this turd while it's still steaming hot.

If there was a way to short this company, I would love to jump on that bandwagon.
They've been making these coolers for data centers for some time whats makes you think they are fly by night?
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yeah ill def be watching this one. If they do a copper version and can reduce the size by a decent amount id be in for one (though id still maintain a custom loop for my gpu.
He said in that video that the company told him the final product would be about a third the size of that behemoth he's testing with no performance hit.

Grain of salt maybe...but I'm open to the possibility
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Looks like it is just because the 14 has a Threadripper base.

NH-D15 still has better overall cooling, at least for smaller cpu. Better or as good as the best water coolers.

Considering the size of the thing, it doesn't seem very impressive. All Noctua would have to do to match it is release a NH-D15 with a noisier higher speed fan and a TR block.

I hate referencing THG, but they are the only other outlet that did a review so far. You can see that it is just barely beating the 14 and the 14 is using a much lower flow fan. For a better comparison, the coolers should be running comparable fans, or at least at comparable noise levels. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...iphon-cooler/2
I had the same thoughts as well but I guess the advantage of this design is if they can make it much smaller as claimed. That said there doesn't seem much point in reviewing in this form because it doesn't mean it's going to work as well in its smaller size.
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Surprising considering you have an H150. I don't think it'll outperform a 360mm AIO.
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Did the company give any indication of when you should expect to have it?
Ya they said spring 2020. They are being made now but they want to stress test the first batch of a few thousand units once they get back so sounds like they will test every unit. I suppose once they get that relationship with the likely chinese manufacturer established for quality assurance the wait times wont be so long.

If they can make a copper one for under 200$ Ill get that one as well. Im actually thinking of using one of my old swiftech copper HS to mill it into a copper plate for it... Its big slug of a copper plate I had used to cool my old celeron 300a oced to 450...
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Ya they said spring 2020. They are being made now but they want to stress test the first batch of a few thousand units once they get back so sounds like they will test every unit. I suppose once they get that relationship with the likely chinese manufacturer established for quality assurance the wait times wont be so long.

If they can make a copper one for under 200$ Ill get that one as well. Im actually thinking of using one of my old swiftech copper HS to mill it into a copper plate for it... Its big slug of a copper plate I had used to cool my old celeron 300a oced to 450...
Spring 2020...that's not so bad. I can wait for testing on the final product, thanks.

If it just meets Noctua's best then it'll be down to best bang for the buck. Assuming my AIO lasts until then lol.
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I remember reading about issues with heatpipes when they first started to use them in coolers that too much pressure might build up if too much liquid evaporated. I imagine its the same here with what seems to be holding a lot more liquid... How much heat to how much pressure in that closed environment. Im also wondering if aluminium pipes are weaker than copper ones. Probably the first gen is gonna built a bit sturdier.
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I remember reading about issues with heatpipes when they first started to use them in coolers that too much pressure might build up if too much liquid evaporated. I imagine its the same here with what seems to be holding a lot more liquid... How much heat to how much pressure in that closed environment. Im also wondering if aluminium pipes are weaker than copper ones. Probably the first gen is gonna built a bit sturdier.
Well, aluminum is softer than copper. I was mildly surprised to see this being manufactured from aluminum. Heat tolerances will be lower which can impact structural integrity over time...but I'm pretty sure they know a lot more about it than I do

I'd love to see an announcement that their final products will be copper. Stronger and possibly better performing, but then there's the weight to contend with. They really will need that 66% size reduction mentioned in the video.

I would think samples ought to be making their way to reviewers en mass quite soon though. I really hope they meet the claims we've heard so far.

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I had the same thoughts as well but I guess the advantage of this design is if they can make it much smaller as claimed. That said there doesn't seem much point in reviewing in this form because it doesn't mean it's going to work as well in its smaller size.
The point seems to be getting people to order a literal pipe dream.

If it is so easy for them to make it so much smaller and lighter, then it seems rediculous for them to be sending out this brick for review. My guess is that the final product won't be anywhere near expectations.
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Well, aluminum is softer than copper. I was mildly surprised to see this being manufactured from aluminum. Heat tolerances will be lower which can impact structural integrity over time...but I'm pretty sure they know a lot more about it than I do

I'd love to see an announcement that their final products will be copper. Stronger and possibly better performing, but then there's the weight to contend with. They really will need that 66% size reduction mentioned in the video.

I would think samples ought to be making their way to reviewers en mass quite soon though. I really hope they meet the claims we've heard so far.

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and 600 bucks and installed with a floor jack

i'll stick with full water

that thing is going to break motherboards
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i'll stick with full water

that thing is going to break motherboards


I'm thinking a custom made (by me) retaining bracket.
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I'm thinking a custom made (by me) retaining bracket.
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Surprising considering you have an H150. I don't think it'll outperform a 360mm AIO.
Probably will be comparable to the 360mm AIO but it has the benefit of not dumping all the hot air from my 3900x onto my 2080Ti.
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Probably will be comparable to the 360mm AIO but it has the benefit of not dumping all the hot air from my 3900x onto my 2080Ti.
What case? Run the AIO as an exhaust. No way I'd want to dump the heat from my 9900K at my 2080TI.
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The point seems to be getting people to order a literal pipe dream.

If it is so easy for them to make it so much smaller and lighter, then it seems rediculous for them to be sending out this brick for review. My guess is that the final product won't be anywhere near expectations.
I suspect you're probably right as it doesn't make much sense otherwise.
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What case? Run the AIO as an exhaust. No way I'd want to dump the heat from my 9900K at my 2080TI.
Fractal R6. If I switch the radiator to a top mount - that will mean it will pick up all the heat dumped from the 2080Ti.
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if the final product is reduced to 1/3 the prototypes size, it will result in 1/3 the prototype's cooling ability.
Reducing the size will reduce the surface area of the fins, which will also restrict the air flow across the fins as well, which in the end, will drastically reduce it's cooling capabilities because it won't be able to cool the heat pipes as effectively. Basically there 1/3 reduction in size with no performance hit is a Pipe Dream.
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