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Old Dec 19, 2017, 01:19 PM   #1
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Hahaha what a dumb **** site can't even do their homework.

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Hahaha what a dumb **** site can't even do their homework.

Can we please ban this shithole as a news source already it doesn't deserve any traffic
https://www.techpowerup.com/239794/a...-linux-drivers

then must ban more than them
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That's what many sites do. A questionable source posts something, then somebody reposts, then everyone reposts, then it's a fact. Then you wonder how the hell this rumour started in the first place, I mean, all the sites are reporting it, it must be true
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AMD officially went on record here:


http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd...018,35502.html


Basically the CTO of the company stated that they'll go for 12nm refresh parts of both Ryzen and Vega in 2018, so the 7nm rumor and Navi in that same time period is nothing but a pile of bull****.
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AMD officially went on record here:


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Basically the CTO of the company stated that they'll go for 12nm refresh parts of both Ryzen and Vega in 2018, so the 7nm rumor and Navi in that same time period is nothing but a pile of bull****.
IMHO the 12nm Ryzen parts will most likely be Polaris refreshes probably named Vega 48/36. AMD said before Vega 64 was launched that they would bring Vega to the whole AMD GPU stack and therefore a Polaris refresh makes most sense. Also in 2018 we know Ryzen APU's are coming and most likely Zen + or Zen 2 whatever they call it and obviously these will take all resources and preference over any Vega launches.

As for Navi, well I couldn't be less bothered than if you paid me! Launch H2 2018 really??? Apart from the above CPU launches will the 'next gen' memory be available - NO CHANCE. Will Microsoft have drivers for that work for a multi-GPU - NO CHANCE. Will AMD have drivers that work with Navi - NO CHANCE. Most likely launch frame for Navi is probably H1/H2 2019 and even then only expect two out of the above three requirements to be available.

RTG at the moment is leaderless and whatever people think about Raja at least he was an RTG representative on the board. All they now have is a CPU engineer in Lisa Su who isn't the greatest supporter of RTG. Not too difficult to see where that might end up.
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IMHO the 12nm Ryzen parts will most likely be Polaris refreshes probably named Vega 48/36. AMD said before Vega 64 was launched that they would bring Vega to the whole AMD GPU stack and therefore a Polaris refresh makes most sense. Also in 2018 we know Ryzen APU's are coming and most likely Zen + or Zen 2 whatever they call it and obviously these will take all resources and preference over any Vega launches.

As for Navi, well I couldn't be less bothered than if you paid me! Launch H2 2018 really??? Apart from the above CPU launches will the 'next gen' memory be available - NO CHANCE. Will Microsoft have drivers for that work for a multi-GPU - NO CHANCE. Will AMD have drivers that work with Navi - NO CHANCE. Most likely launch frame for Navi is probably H1/H2 2019 and even then only expect two out of the above three requirements to be available.

RTG at the moment is leaderless and whatever people think about Raja at least he was an RTG representative on the board. All they now have is a CPU engineer in Lisa Su who isn't the greatest supporter of RTG. Not too difficult to see where that might end up.

What I've heard is that when it comes to CPU's, Global's 12nm will allow the second generation Ryzen to clock even higher still, as I remember seeing an article on these upcoming chips where the top end part ( 2800x ) is a 12 core / 24 thread chip with a 4.6 Ghz base clock and a 5.1 Ghz turbo mode.....Even if we assume that the architecture has no improvements whatsoever in terms of IPC over the current Ryzen, the extra clock speed and 4 extra cores is going to put a lot of hurt on Intel's socket 1150 chips as their performance lead gets eroded big time with the red team CPU's running as fast as theirs...



On the GPU side the benefits are there since like the above situation, the new revision allows higher clocks for the same power use and assuming this potential second generation Vega doesn't add any more hardware, the GPU gets smaller and consequently cheaper to make if nothing else.



As surprising as it may sound, the GTX1080 non TI which as we all know is still being sold at a pretty decent price, is just 5 months away from celebrating it's second year on the market since it was launched in may of 2016......Product stagnation and charging high prices is our future if AMD sits on the fence on this market, and I think Lisa Su knows it and those that want Nvidia to release a gaming version of Volta ASAP, should be well aware of the need for Nvidia to feel the pressure from AMD to justify said hardware release as soon as possible.
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What I've heard is that when it comes to CPU's, Global's 12nm will allow the second generation Ryzen to clock even higher still, as I remember seeing an article on these upcoming chips where the top end part ( 2800x ) is a 12 core / 24 thread chip with a 4.6 Ghz base clock and a 5.1 Ghz turbo mode.....Even if we assume that the architecture has no improvements whatsoever in terms of IPC over the current Ryzen, the extra clock speed and 4 extra cores is going to put a lot of hurt on Intel's socket 1150 chips as their performance lead gets eroded big time with the red team CPU's running as fast as theirs...



On the GPU side the benefits are there since like the above situation, the new revision allows higher clocks for the same power use and assuming this potential second generation Vega doesn't add any more hardware, the GPU gets smaller and consequently cheaper to make if nothing else.



As surprising as it may sound, the GTX1080 non TI which as we all know is still being sold at a pretty decent price, is just 5 months away from celebrating it's second year on the market since it was launched in may of 2016......Product stagnation and charging high prices is our future if AMD sits on the fence on this market, and I think Lisa Su knows it and those that want Nvidia to release a gaming version of Volta ASAP, should be well aware of the need for Nvidia to feel the pressure from AMD to justify said hardware release as soon as possible.
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Very little is known about the microarchitectural side of these new Zen+ parts, although the transition to 12nm will enable higher clock speeds and better power efficiency. Based on the claims touted by GlobalFoundries for its 12LP node, we could see Ryzen frequencies pushed to anywhere between 4.2-4.4GHz on the high-end, with a couple to several hundred MHz improvements across the lineup.
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What I've heard is that when it comes to CPU's, Global's 12nm will allow the second generation Ryzen to clock even higher still, as I remember seeing an article on these upcoming chips where the top end part ( 2800x ) is a 12 core / 24 thread chip with a 4.6 Ghz base clock and a 5.1 Ghz turbo mode.....Even if we assume that the architecture has no improvements whatsoever in terms of IPC over the current Ryzen, the extra clock speed and 4 extra cores is going to put a lot of hurt on Intel's socket 1150 chips as their performance lead gets eroded big time with the red team CPU's running as fast as theirs...



On the GPU side the benefits are there since like the above situation, the new revision allows higher clocks for the same power use and assuming this potential second generation Vega doesn't add any more hardware, the GPU gets smaller and consequently cheaper to make if nothing else.



As surprising as it may sound, the GTX1080 non TI which as we all know is still being sold at a pretty decent price, is just 5 months away from celebrating it's second year on the market since it was launched in may of 2016......Product stagnation and charging high prices is our future if AMD sits on the fence on this market, and I think Lisa Su knows it and those that want Nvidia to release a gaming version of Volta ASAP, should be well aware of the need for Nvidia to feel the pressure from AMD to justify said hardware release as soon as possible.
Shadow as I've said already Vega 2018 is likely to be a Polaris refresh so yes less power and noise but of course less SP's and TMU's etc. A Vega 64 refresh makes no sense as 12nm is not the silver bullet to make Vega 64 faster than a 1080ti and don't forget the 1180/ti that would absolutely stomp all over it. A mid range refresh makes more sense for AMD as the 480 came out H2 2016 so will be 2 years old by the new release date.
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No matter how it turns out, we should see something in early next year in either case and even if it isn't clocked as high, should AMD manage a base clock of 4 Ghz and 4.4 in turbo mode along with architecture improvements towards IPC while the chip remains a 95 watt part like the current Ryzen, the clock / IPC gap relative to Intel will have shrunk, and that's never a bad thing.


As for thread ripper, you know the current chip already has room for 4 dies, just that only that 2 are active so having a new high end part released with 3~4 dies should be quite easy, and give Intel nightmares while theirs still has to have everything integrated into a single die, pushing their fab process lead to the limit.


My main point though is the 12nm process and it being ready for high volume production with good yields and power use under control.....It would be silly that an updated Vega isn't released if for no other reason to make it use less power than it currently can, and getting more chips from each wafer.....If nothing else, the economics are there to justify it.
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Shadow as I've said already Vega 2018 is likely to be a Polaris refresh so yes less power and noise but of course less SP's and TMU's etc. A Vega 64 refresh makes no sense as 12nm is not the silver bullet to make Vega 64 faster than a 1080ti and don't forget the 1180/ti that would absolutely stomp all over it. A mid range refresh makes more sense for AMD as the 480 came out H2 2016 so will be 2 years old by the new release date.


Maybe it would happen that way, or maybe not but either way and likely in part, is the bit coin mining craze and it keeping inventories of available cards pretty low and expensive no matter if you choose AMD or Nvidia......Heck, the cards I bought about 3 months ago went up 150$ at Newegg since then.....Not bad for failure...
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Maybe it would happen that way, or maybe not but either way and likely in part, is the bit coin mining craze and it keeping inventories of available cards pretty low and expensive no matter if you choose AMD or Nvidia......Heck, the cards I bought about 3 months ago went up 150$ at Newegg since then.....Not bad for failure...
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I really hope we see something out of AMD in h1 2018 better than vega
I don't doubt it at all......Both companies should sell as many GPU's as they can make, and have relatively little available in stock hence the higher prices, which no doubt will contribute to a fat bottom line for both.


As for the next generation for either company, Nvidia has tipped their hand with the latest Titan Volta and it's 815mm^ die and 21 Billion transistor budget, so a professional version of Navi needs to aim for the same level of performance of that version of Volta given it's likely 4 figure price tag, or not bother..... As for when we'll see gaming versions based of these architectures from both companies, it's anyone's guess though Nvidia should be ready first since Pascal has been on the market for as long as it has......Vega is a new arrival by comparison and AMD not likely releasing a gaming Navi until they absolutely have to.

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I don't doubt it at all......Both companies should sell as many GPU's as they can make, and have relatively little available in stock hence the higher prices, which no doubt will contribute to a fat bottom line for both.


As for the next generation for either company, Nvidia has tipped their hand with the latest Titan Volta and it's 815mm^ die and 21 Billion transistor budget, so a professional version of Navi needs to aim for the same level of performance of that version of Volta given it's likely 4 figure price tag, or not bother..... As for when we'll see gaming versions based of these architectures from both companies, it's anyone's guess though Nvidia should be ready first since Pascal has been on the market for as long as it has......Vega is a new arrival by comparison and AMD not likely releasing a gaming Navi until they absolutely have to.
So they are releasing Navi next week?
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All I can see is that Vega is out of stock at both Newegg USA and Canada, it's also out of stock at NCIX ( both Canada and in the US ), and there's currently only the Air cooled frontier edition listed at tiger direct at 1139$ US as being in stock.....Whatever the production volume, it's being sold and at a premium above AMD's listed MSRP to boot.



There's basically no rush on AMD's end to release Navi as soon as possible basically, as they're pretty much selling everything that's being made which is the ideal scenario for any company.
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I care less and less .... Still no Raytracing in the games.I don't see why we need a new gen so fast.Which game is really so resource hug that really worth a new700$ GPU .... Except the 4k teritory i don't see the point ...
THe irony is now i wish to test sound cards.Maybe the new Creative BlasterX AE5 and headphones ...
With all people screaming and bashing at AMD that they brought a "useless" generation of cards that is equivalent to nvidia almost 2 year old card i think the gaming market is stagnating.In 2018 they will sort out hopefully with prices and better node and we are good to go...Even if it's useless i feel is not critical anyway except for public image...
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I care less and less .... Still no Raytracing in the games.I don't see why we need a new gen so fast.Which game is really so resource hug that really worth a new700$ GPU .... Except the 4k teritory i don't see the point ...
THe irony is now i wish to test sound cards.Maybe the new Creative BlasterX AE5 and headphones ...
With all people screaming and bashing at AMD that they brought a "useless" generation of cards that is equivalent to nvidia almost 2 year old card i think the gaming market is stagnating.In 2018 they will sort out hopefully with prices and better node and we are good to go...Even if it's useless i feel is not critical anyway except for public image...


There is that point and it is indeed a good one, and we can also add that games take longer and longer to make when attempting to use the latest technology out there, easily 5+ years and having development teams well into the several hundred people working on the project the entire time.....As much as we think we know what Nvidia's high end Pascal or AMD's Vega can really do, we really don't since the games that require that much graphics capability are still on the drawing board, and the baseline for those future titles is still the console anyhow....It's been the reality for a long time now.



In my case, i'll be moving to LG's 5120*2160 display coming out in January, which obviously places even more load than regular 4K does, and given the experience I've had with my pair of Vega's on my current game collection, feel more than confident enough they've got the grunt to handle it which is the most important part of all.
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should be some news in a week and a half or so

https://www.compusystems.com/servlet...SAAEgKyd_D_BwE


more hoping for big 4k freesync 2 monitors or TV's

tempted to go to CES have not been in 20+ years Honeywell and others will have some thermostats and stuff for HVAC not that I would look at ant of it
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should be some news in a week and a half or so

https://www.compusystems.com/servlet...SAAEgKyd_D_BwE


more hoping for big 4k freesync 2 monitors or TV's

tempted to go to CES have not been in 20+ years Honeywell and others will have some thermostats and stuff for HVAC not that I would look at ant of it


It would be that Display and more models of Intel Optane drives offering higher capacities and perhaps a PCI-E x8 interface rather than the current x4......Just like you, got all those PCI - e slots to fill and 3 M2 slots as well on thread ripper.


Maybe AMD also unveiling a 24 core thread ripper to piss on Intel's high end 18 core chip big time.....
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I just hope AMD releases some details on their 12nm stuff. If its worth the wait, I'll continue to hold off and save up till RAM prices come down. Which btw- China is now launching criminal investigations into NAND AND DRAM price fixing.
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and they will add it on and the prices will go higher
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Actually, China is known for executing people for corruption like this. They will take over their factories if they pass the fines costs onto consumers. China remember, isn't very friendly towards people who make them look bad.

btw- Now that its out... lol.

Samsung sung like a canary. They spoke with Samsung about 3 months ago. 2nd week of October if the memo was sent the same week they talked. Basically, Samsung said in that memo-

"We CAN'T afford to piss China off. We will prioritize bringing production online sooner, to meet market demand."

Their cover story was something about not wanting "non-expert IC designers like Micron and SK-Hynix to gain marketshare and push Samsung out of China" as to why they are ramping production.
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If it's proven, I wouldn't be surprised if production is automatically increased and within a few weeks, the higher quantities already makes a price difference on the market at the end user level, but that is the best case scenario for consumers.


I'm in no need for extra storage or memory anytime soon, apart from a larger regular hard drive to store an image of both windows and all the programs and games currently installed, which apart from the 64 MB buffer in some hard drive models, has nothing to do with flash or DDR4 ram to begin with.....Likely need an 8 TB drive to last the long haul.
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There is that point and it is indeed a good one, and we can also add that games take longer and longer to make when attempting to use the latest technology out there, easily 5+ years and having development teams well into the several hundred people working on the project the entire time.....As much as we think we know what Nvidia's high end Pascal or AMD's Vega can really do, we really don't since the games that require that much graphics capability are still on the drawing board, and the baseline for those future titles is still the console anyhow....It's been the reality for a long time now.



In my case, i'll be moving to LG's 5120*2160 display coming out in January, which obviously places even more load than regular 4K does, and given the experience I've had with my pair of Vega's on my current game collection, feel more than confident enough they've got the grunt to handle it which is the most important part of all.

People don't see beyond "AMD failed" ... The new gen is not necessary for vast majority of us except very very high end stuff and exotic stuff...If Vega 84 was released to match the 1080ti i wouldn't buy it anyway so why the crying...
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For AMD is urgent to bring Vega stock and also price the partner cards lower than what are they now.
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People don't see beyond "AMD failed" ... The new gen is not necessary for vast majority of us except very very high end stuff and exotic stuff...If Vega 84 was released to match the 1080ti i wouldn't buy it anyway so why the crying...
since vega 64 lq was released at the same 699 price of a 1080 ti fe it should have been as fast or at most 5% less .
to be that price and only match the 1080 non ti sorry it is a fail .


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For AMD is urgent to bring Vega stock and also price the partner cards lower than what are they now.
I don't think it is going to happen at this point

the vega 56 needs to be 399
vega 64 air needs to be 449


and vega 64 lq needs to be 549 to to match a 1080 non ti price

and I don't think they can make that many to over come the crap coin miners even if they could sell them at that price

hell the vega LQ is now selling at 1099 on newegg and OOS almost 300 bucks more than a asus 1080 ti strix at 809 and the strix is almost a 100 over it's msrp
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