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Old Jul 21, 2019, 04:16 PM   #151
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Anyone running a 3900x on a crosshair vii hero?

Going to plop the cpu in soon but I've heard that the bios is buggy, agesa ab is nowhere to be seen aba has been pulled.

After the departure of a senior bios development member last year asus have gone down the shitter
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I'm considering getting an x570 board but don't know which one to go with.... I'd really rather not though if possible.


now I question buying a crosshair viii hero (wi-fi)

don't like the MSI boards low on back USB's and who needs a PS/2 port anymore

and the only GB I like is the AORUS XTREME
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how well does GB do on bios updates
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Old Jul 21, 2019, 04:22 PM   #152
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now I question buying a crosshair viii hero (wi-fi)

don't like the MSI boards low on back USB's and who needs a PS/2 port anymore

and the only GB I like is the AORUS XTREME
699

how well does GB do on bios updates
Bizarrely Gigabyte is looking more and more rosy, they consistently have the fastest, most mature bios releases which is... wtf.


Asus have recently released beta bios updates that have bricked x370 boards whilst disabling Flash back so people are ****ed.

X470 crosshair vii hero recently had a beta bios released on the rog forums that had insanely high chipset voltages.

I honestly don't know what to do, wait and hope or go elsewhere.
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Old Jul 21, 2019, 04:27 PM   #153
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I dunno. At least on the Intel side my ASUS Maximus XI Formula has been fantastic. Their UEFI layout is still the best in the business too.

Gigabyte has absolutely awful support and I’ve talked about that before in this thread I believe.. the way they supported a $550 motherboard was pathetic.
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Old Jul 21, 2019, 04:35 PM   #154
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I dunno. At least on the Intel side my ASUS Maximus XI Formula has been fantastic. Their UEFI layout is still the best in the business too.

Gigabyte has absolutely awful support and I’ve talked about that before in this thread I believe.. the way they supported a $550 motherboard was pathetic.
It's kinda why I'm waiting out on their flagship x470 board, I'm hoping they get their **** together.

They, on the AMD side are stupidly behind compared to other manufacturers concerning bios updates but I imagine the x570 boards will receive support fairly sharp, I'll admit that I'm salty as this board was purchased upon release last April.

Asus have a huge fragmentation problem though which doesn't help things, they have so many variations of the same chipset then with AMD they have multiple platform types.

It's a shame as hardware wise this is an amazing board and has so many bios features for tweaking which is why I purchased it, they just need to up their game with bios updates.

To be fair to them it was AMD that pulled the latest agesa, there is a massive problem with pcie drives corrupting and having whea errors.

This launch hasn't been great, amd have been very quiet since release.
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I dunno. At least on the Intel side my ASUS Maximus XI Formula has been fantastic. Their UEFI layout is still the best in the business too.

Gigabyte has absolutely awful support and I’ve talked about that before in this thread I believe.. the way they supported a $550 motherboard was pathetic.
maybe a little easier on intel when they have not really changed much more than pin layout in 10 years


…….

so far I don't trust my C6H and the 3800x I got coming with all the bios problems asua has had lately
or do I trust my luck, murphy is my middle name

so it is wait and see if Asus gets a working bios for it that looks good

or I get pissed and spend 700 bucks on the GB AORUS XTREME

on the plus side

https://www.overclock.net/forum/11-a...l#post28053460

this one shows 40.5c max chipset temp no fan
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To be fair to them it was AMD that pulled the latest agesa, there is a massive problem with pcie drives corrupting and having whea errors.
Drives aren't actually corrupting. People running SFC and DISM are getting false positives due to a file signature mismatch from a Windows update. The WHEA errors are a separate thing. They mostly seem to come from Ryzen 3000 + Nvidia GPU combo. Most are corrected errors that go unnoticed. Some unfortunate people though are running into uncorrected errors that cause BSOD. Nvidia is supposedly working on a driver fix.
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Drives aren't actually corrupting. People running SFC and DISM are getting false positives due to a file signature mismatch from a Windows update. The WHEA errors are a separate thing. They mostly seem to come from Ryzen 3000 + Nvidia GPU combo. Most are corrected errors that go unnoticed. Some unfortunate people though are running into uncorrected errors that cause BSOD. Nvidia is supposedly working on a driver fix.
True, unfortunately for me that's my setup.

I'm just going to go for it in a few days time and hope for the best.
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I went back and tried the setting again. It looks like I just wasn't putting the voltage high enough. I need 1.475v to be stable at my settings, so setting the boot voltage to 1.35v or even 1.4v wasn't high enough.

I guess I should have figured that. Oh well. Problem seems to be solved now. Thanks for getting me to try it again!
Bleh...spoke too soon, still getting the C5 on cold boot. At least now my 3733 C14 profile will work without having to first load at 3733 C16 though.
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maybe a little easier on intel when they have not really changed much more than pin layout in 10 years


…….

so far I don't trust my C6H and the 3800x I got coming with all the bios problems asua has had lately
or do I trust my luck, murphy is my middle name

so it is wait and see if Asus gets a working bios for it that looks good

or I get pissed and spend 700 bucks on the GB AORUS XTREME

on the plus side

https://www.overclock.net/forum/11-a...l#post28053460

this one shows 40.5c max chipset temp no fan
I don't think C6H is having any real serious issues, just minor annoyances like the C5 error on cold boot. It's not hard to deal with due to being able to load a saved profile even after a bios clear.

Honestly, you're not getting much on the $500+ mobos. The $300-350 tier seems to be where actual improvements cap out. After that you're just getting price gouged. Buildzoid recently did an overview of most of the X570 mobos (I think in conjunction with Gamer's Nexus).

Also, as far as bioses go, the truth is the other manufacturers are having problems too. At this point it's hard to say that any one of the big manufacturers is really doing particularly better. It's just a rough launch, as seems to be the usual for AMD lately.

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I don't think C6H is having any real serious issues, just minor annoyances like the C5 error on cold boot. It's not hard to deal with due to being able to load a saved profile even after a bios clear.

Honestly, you're not getting much on the $500+ mobos. The $300-350 tier seems to be where actual improvements cap out. After that you're just getting price gouged. Buildzoid recently did an overview of most of the X570 mobos (I think in conjunction with Gamer's Nexus).

Also, as far as bioses go, the truth is the other manufacturers are having problems too. At this point it's hard to say that any one of the big manufacturers is really doing particularly better. It's just a rough launch, as seems to be the usual for AMD lately.
This is a fair point, the whole launch has been rocky, memory issues aside many people aren't seeing anywhere near advertised boost clocks on all kinds of boards.

I have however seen plenty of people who have got the cpus to boost on the same boards as others using the same bios.

Come Wednesday I'll have this baby installed so I'll see what it can do.

Now I just need to decide upon a watercooling kit, thinking ek or alphacool but need to slowly research this as I've never done it before.
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think I would go with this one

http://www.performance-pcs.com/water...re-copper.html

if I didn't all ready have a EK full copper
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think I would go with this one

http://www.performance-pcs.com/water...re-copper.html

if I didn't all ready have a EK full copper
That looks nice and beefy, cheers.

I don't think I'll go hard-line for my first shot, the leeway of standard hoses sounds too enticing for a first attempt.

My case is huge and can mount multiple 400mm rads, for now cpu only but want to expand to include the gpu but I think I'll wait until next years upgrade as I don't think the pcb of my 2080ti is standard.
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think I would go with this one

http://www.performance-pcs.com/water...re-copper.html

if I didn't all ready have a EK full copper
Would you mind in a few weeks time once I've decided on everything if I pick your watercooling brain?

I don't want to mess this up.
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That looks nice and beefy, cheers.

I don't think I'll go hard-line for my first shot, the leeway of standard hoses sounds too enticing for a first attempt.

My case is huge and can mount multiple 400mm rads, for now cpu only but want to expand to include the gpu but I think I'll wait until next years upgrade as I don't think the pcb of my 2080ti is standard.
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I don't want to mess this up.
this and a D5 pump if you can fit it and 6 good 140mm fans should cool a cpu and gpu
http://www.performance-pcs.com/alpha...sta-420mm.html

plus a reservoir at the highest point in the case as a fill point and remove any air
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this and a D5 pump if you can fit it and 6 good 140mm fans should cool a cpu and gpu
http://www.performance-pcs.com/alpha...sta-420mm.html

plus a reservoir at the highest point in the case as a fill point and remove any air
That's great cheers.

As for 140mm fans I have 9x Noctua industrial 2000 pwm and 3x silent wings 3.

What do you think of these, I'd rather not have to replace them as they weren't cheap.

Also I'm going to have to top mount the rads as I've modified the front of my case to fit 2x 200mm noctua, the top will fit 2x 480mm rads side by side, you can also side mount them.
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That's great cheers.

As for 140mm fans I have 9x Noctua industrial 2000 pwm and 3x silent wings 3.

What do you think of these, I'd rather not have to replace them as they weren't cheap.

Also I'm going to have to top mount the rads as I've modified the front of my case to fit 2x 200mm noctua, the top will fit 2x 480mm rads side by side, you can also side mount them.
they should be fine
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Awesome, really appreciate the help.
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Just got home with my new 3700x. Walking the dog, cooking, and then installation time.
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So, booted up first go. Haven't had any issues yet, though I'm taking it a bit slow on getting memory back up to 3200 CL14.

Was a fairly painless install thus far, though the one thing that struck me as odd was the normal "arrow" on the corner of the chip to show pin 0 is on the bottom with a small, itty bitty dot on the top.
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The latest ch7 bios sure has some quirks, if the cpu temp is above 70, all fans that are controlled by the cpu temp will run at 100%

And for some reason one of the usb ports will cause the bios to run in slowmotion if an usb soundcard is plugged into it, I though that the cpu was overheating and did a remount/repaste of my noctua heatsink before actually figuring out what was causing it.

Getting my memory to run at 3600mhz with the xmp settings was easy though, once that boot voltage is correct everything just works.

Now I just need to put thing thing under water and read up about what needs to be tweaked and where to do it in the bios for some extra performance.

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Old Jul 22, 2019, 08:01 PM   #173
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Been playing with it some more, seems that I'm hovering around a 4.2-4.3 all core clock without touching anything. There is one core that drops down to about 3.9Ghz for a millisecond and then boosts back up with another dropping to the same, and another and another...

Voltages seems high but it is boosting fairly well through tests and dropping < 1 when idle so it seems to be working as it should per the reddit post from the AMD dude. Temperatures seem to be in check, highest I've seen with the AIO is about 72 after a 15 minute "stress" test with its peak speed just below 4.2GHz. Idles are about 35 give or take a few degrees.

Enjoying it thus far.
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Old Jul 22, 2019, 08:58 PM   #174
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Jay what board and cpu did you get?
I hard coded my cpu voltage to 1.3, it was spiking under load to 1.46 while running prime.
Also the Asus AI suite I believe is reporting incorrect temps, under full load from prime95 it stated I was at 55c. I saw some throttling so I brought up hardware monitor and sure enough i was over 80c.

I brought the temps down by setting cpu voltage to 1.3
I guess the bios for the x570 are still a mess.

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Just finished installing windows on the new machine, ASUS C8H and Ryzen 3900X.

Currently copying 300 gigs worth of Steam games and others (Wow, Diablo 3, etc.). Checked the M.2_2 slot which has a 1TB 970 Evo Plus with the Fluke 62 Max. Got a reading of 40°C. Chipset was reading 34-36°C. Files were coming in at 110 MB/s from the Synology NAS.

No gaming yet. Still getting everything installed. iCUE temp is showing 29.1°C. Changed a few things in the BIOS after a BIOS update. Vcore was set at 1.473V. Changed that to 1.273V. Before that change, the CPU was showing 40°C in the BIOS. After the voltage change, it was 30-ish.

Using a Corsair H115I Platinum for cooler in a Carbide Air 740 case.

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Got my 3900X installed under a Corsair H150 Pro 360mm AIO on my Asrock X470 Taichi on Bios 3.46

Ran a quick cinebench R20 test before going to bed. This is default settings in bios with 2x8GB 3200MHZ CL14 RAM:

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Jay what board and cpu did you get?
I hard coded my cpu voltage to 1.3, it was spiking under load to 1.46 while running prime.
Also the Asus AI suite I believe is reporting incorrect temps, under full load from prime95 it stated I was at 55c. I saw some throttling so I brought up hardware monitor and sure enough i was over 80c.

I brought the temps down by setting cpu voltage to 1.3
I guess the bios for the x570 are still a mess.
3700x and reusing my Crosshair VI hero board plus everything else in my signature.

Was pulling temps and clocks from ryzen master
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Was pulling temps and clocks from ryzen master
I will try Ryzen master tonight, not sure what app to trust now.
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Using that nexus video I just did the standard offset under volt of .5. Not sure it does much as heat still seems high at idle at 50c to 60c and above. Ah well. As long as it doesn't shutdown under load. Seems to me its pretty standard fare for the Auto settings pushing volts to 1.43 to 1.5.
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