Go Back   Rage3D » Rage3D Discussion Area » Gaming and Computing Forums » Smartphones, Tablets and Handheld Computing
Rage3D Subscribe Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Smartphones, Tablets and Handheld Computing From Android, Symbian to Apple devices, this is the place for discussion and debate, whether it's smartphones, tablets or even gaming handhelds.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old Apr 10, 2013, 10:57 AM   #1
Advertisement (Guests Only)

Login or Register to remove this ad
Lupine
Administrator
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: United States Grants Pass, OR
Posts: 32,363
Lupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at best


Default Kids vs in-app purchases

In-app purchases should be disabled by default. At the very least, should be a way to global disable at both Google Play Store and Amazon App Store (ie on website, enable/disable for all current / future devices).

Our "ooh click it!" 3yr old managed to buy $9 worth of crap within the .99 app "Cut The Rope" (bought for free via FAOTD). Amazon refunded both $3.99 plus tax charges, and I found the one device (Kindle) we had that didn't have in-app purchasing disabled yet.
Lupine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 10, 2013, 01:27 PM   #2
HAL10000
Radeon Arctic Islands
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Canada Canada
Posts: 14,328
HAL10000 is still being judged by the masses


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lupine View Post
In-app purchases should be disabled by default. At the very least, should be a way to global disable at both Google Play Store and Amazon App Store (ie on website, enable/disable for all current / future devices).

Our "ooh click it!" 3yr old managed to buy $9 worth of crap within the .99 app "Cut The Rope" (bought for free via FAOTD). Amazon refunded both $3.99 plus tax charges, and I found the one device (Kindle) we had that didn't have in-app purchasing disabled yet.
I never did check to see if the Apple Store does the same. Don't have kids so never had the need to ever check.

I suspect that none do figuring that parents of wayward children will simply pay off any small amount.
__________________

The market can stay irrational longer than you can remain solvent.
HAL10000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 10, 2013, 01:42 PM   #3
Xiro
Oo
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: United States NH
Posts: 3,356
Xiro can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficultyXiro can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficulty


Default

No clue about Amazon but I know Google Play has a setting for in app purchases.
Xiro is offline   Reply With Quote
Advertisement (Guests Only)
Login or Register to remove this ad
Old Apr 10, 2013, 01:59 PM   #4
Lupine
Administrator
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: United States Grants Pass, OR
Posts: 32,363
Lupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at best


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiro View Post
No clue about Amazon but I know Google Play has a setting for in app purchases.
Both do. I'm suggesting that they should be opt-in, not opt-out.
Lupine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 10, 2013, 04:04 PM   #5
Zero
Sass hole
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Canada Toronto
Posts: 38,815
Zero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English Channel


Default

It's a toggle for someone either way. Though I think there should be some kind of purchase authorization in-app as part of basic app design.
__________________
"Hi,

please refrain from telling other forum members to "Go eat a buffet of dicks." in the future.

Thank you.

Regards,
mad"
Zero is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 10, 2013, 04:46 PM   #6
DaJMasta
Baffoonist
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: United States Silver Spring, Maryland
Posts: 14,119
DaJMasta doesn't need no stinkin' badgesDaJMasta doesn't need no stinkin' badgesDaJMasta doesn't need no stinkin' badgesDaJMasta doesn't need no stinkin' badgesDaJMasta doesn't need no stinkin' badgesDaJMasta doesn't need no stinkin' badgesDaJMasta doesn't need no stinkin' badgesDaJMasta doesn't need no stinkin' badgesDaJMasta doesn't need no stinkin' badges


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lupine View Post
Both do. I'm suggesting that they should be opt-in, not opt-out.
And then none of the biggest app developers are going to make any money. It should be opt-in, but it's not going to be.
__________________
Desktop: Intel Core i7 7770k : 16GB EVGA DDR4 2400 : Gigabyte GTX 1070 Ti Windforce X2 : Gigabyte GA-H270-WIFI : AudioQuest DragonFly DAC : Samsung SM961 NVMe 1TB SSD : Corsair Builder 500W PSU : Samsung 1440p 32" Monitor : Klipsch Promedia 2.1 : Windows 10 Pro x64
Tablet: Microsoft Surface Pro 4 : Intel Core i5-6300U : 8GB DDR3 : Intel 520 Integrated : 256GB SSD : 12.3" 2736x1824 display : Windows 10 Pro x64
HTPC: Intel Core i3 3225 : HD 4000 integrated : 8GB Samsung DDR3 1600 : Gigabyte H77N-Wifi : 120GB Sandisk Extreme SSD : 80W power brick and picoPSU150 XT : Integrated HD Audio : Scepter 32" LCD TV : Logitech Z313 2.1 : Windows 7 Pro x64


DaJMasta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 10, 2013, 06:08 PM   #7
Hyrax
Rage3D Spammer
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Somalia NJ
Posts: 29,366
Hyrax can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficultyHyrax can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficultyHyrax can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficulty


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DaJMasta View Post
And then none of the biggest app developers are going to make any money. It should be opt-in, but it's not going to be.
They could password protect all purchases. Have the accept and download button grayed out until you put in the password or gesture.
__________________
The Core Value: Non-Aggression :(

Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperNovae View Post
Origin says if you are benchmarking or something to just call and they will help you out. God the horror, those poor souls. This is the type of orwellian nightmare Alex Jones told me about.
Hyrax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 10, 2013, 07:22 PM   #8
JohnEJohn
Diplomatic Impunity
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Manches All hail king Dave, ruler of all Manchesville
Posts: 7,646
JohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at best


Default

As an app dev, I actually agree with you on some points here.

By default, all devices should have in app purchases disabled, as a requirement all apps should have an additional layer of security that if violated results in the app being pulled, I would also go as far to say that there should be an easy one click child mode that upon activation disables any purchase types even if the correct password is put in, obviously this means a separate master account password and purchasing account password.

Yes, it is down to the parents to be responsible, but they should have the means to easily lock down the devices without needing any kind of technical background or extra effort on their part, I say this because if those assumptions are not put into place then someone is going to take advantage of it. This should also be displayed during setup and installation of apps via a massive on screen popup just to drive the message home. Allow remote control via web based login to restrict the devices if the device is permanently given to a child as another security mechanism.

If after this point your child happens to download $1000 worth of virtual currency then it is clearly due to the parents inactions.

We need to make money as well but it infuriates me where apps are designed to milk money from children. I download a lot of apps to look at the competition, look at the latest simpsons game for example.... you cannot do anything without buying virtual currency... clearly preying on kids.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by KAC View Post
My e-penis is very small relative to members of this forum... :bleh:

Last edited by JohnEJohn : Apr 10, 2013 at 07:32 PM.
JohnEJohn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 10, 2013, 07:50 PM   #9
Zero
Sass hole
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Canada Toronto
Posts: 38,815
Zero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English Channel


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnEJohn View Post
We need to make money as well but it infuriates me where apps are designed to milk money from children. I download a lot of apps to look at the competition, look at the latest simpsons game for example.... you cannot do anything without buying virtual currency... clearly preying on kids.
I don't think kids care for the Simpsons. Also EA lolololol

btw I've bought everything in the game and haven't spent a single penny.
__________________
"Hi,

please refrain from telling other forum members to "Go eat a buffet of dicks." in the future.

Thank you.

Regards,
mad"
Zero is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 10, 2013, 07:55 PM   #10
JohnEJohn
Diplomatic Impunity
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Manches All hail king Dave, ruler of all Manchesville
Posts: 7,646
JohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at best


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zero View Post
I don't think kids care for the Simpsons. Also EA lolololol

btw I've bought everything in the game and haven't spent a single penny.
Yes you can do that... either by playing the game for a couple of minutes per day thereby waiting several hours for something to happen or by cracking it.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by KAC View Post
My e-penis is very small relative to members of this forum... :bleh:
JohnEJohn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 10, 2013, 08:01 PM   #11
Zero
Sass hole
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Canada Toronto
Posts: 38,815
Zero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English ChannelZero once jumped the English Channel


Default

Cracks are easy and widely available.
__________________
"Hi,

please refrain from telling other forum members to "Go eat a buffet of dicks." in the future.

Thank you.

Regards,
mad"
Zero is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 10, 2013, 08:56 PM   #12
Seyiji
Team 🌙 Moon
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Manches Manchesville
Posts: 13,443
Seyiji has achieved the Highest Pinnacle of ReputationSeyiji has achieved the Highest Pinnacle of ReputationSeyiji has achieved the Highest Pinnacle of ReputationSeyiji has achieved the Highest Pinnacle of ReputationSeyiji has achieved the Highest Pinnacle of ReputationSeyiji has achieved the Highest Pinnacle of ReputationSeyiji has achieved the Highest Pinnacle of ReputationSeyiji has achieved the Highest Pinnacle of ReputationSeyiji has achieved the Highest Pinnacle of ReputationSeyiji has achieved the Highest Pinnacle of ReputationSeyiji has achieved the Highest Pinnacle of Reputation


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zero View Post
Cracks are easy and widely available.
They'll never take away my Freedom
__________________
,____,
[^_^]
/)___)

-"---"-
Rage3D PC Gaming Hit-List
Official PC Gaming Deals Thread
Has the above thread been misplaced/renamed/merged/stickied/locked? Well then there's a doins transpirin! Find the tome and bring forth the sacrifice to restore peace and order.
"VIAGRA FALLS, slowly I turned, and step by step, inch by inch, I walked up to him, I smashed him, I hit him, I bonked him, I bopped him, I socked him and I mashed his face and I knocked him down."
Seyiji is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 12, 2013, 10:51 AM   #13
ASCI Blue
Grammar NAZI
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: United States Boise, Idaho
Posts: 12,949
ASCI Blue knows why the caged bird singsASCI Blue knows why the caged bird singsASCI Blue knows why the caged bird singsASCI Blue knows why the caged bird singsASCI Blue knows why the caged bird sings


Default

Windows Phone has a separate section which disables all that crap. I have a bunch of stuff set up for my 3 year old on my phone including a couple games and a coloring book. WP8 FTW!
__________________
RIP Shayna 19 Oct 87 17 Sep 03 have a ball ready when it's my time. I'll supply the cookies. :(

Proud Creator of The Cock Crew (Sportbike Network) Preventing "gay friends." ...one pecker at a time.

bounty hunter
Quote:
kids are pretty much invincible, man I doubt even explosions can phase the little womb demons
battlenet: voxmortis, origin: asci_blue, steam: death_incarnate352
ASCI Blue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 12, 2013, 01:04 PM   #14
Lupine
Administrator
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: United States Grants Pass, OR
Posts: 32,363
Lupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at best


Default

Had a few minutes earlier, and decided to look at "Cut The Rope" a bit more closely. Seems I got off easy - game seems nothing more than a semi-fun advertising portal to spend $$$. One of the selectibles was $17.99 for the "best deal" on special abilities that use up over time (ie you get to spend even more to reload periodically). And this is a paid app?!

Reprehensible. Uninstalled.
Lupine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 12, 2013, 07:43 PM   #15
JohnEJohn
Diplomatic Impunity
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Manches All hail king Dave, ruler of all Manchesville
Posts: 7,646
JohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestJohnEJohn considers Jack Bauer an amateur at best


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lupine View Post
Had a few minutes earlier, and decided to look at "Cut The Rope" a bit more closely. Seems I got off easy - game seems nothing more than a semi-fun advertising portal to spend $$$. One of the selectibles was $17.99 for the "best deal" on special abilities that use up over time (ie you get to spend even more to reload periodically). And this is a paid app?!

Reprehensible. Uninstalled.
Unfortunately a lot of games are using these tactics, for an adult you can see the dollar signs from a mile off but from a childs perspective they just want to be able to play the latest 'cool' game so may have no qualms to purchase it, especially if it is not their money.

Seriously, I have seen some games offering bonus packs of gold, coins or whatever for hundreds of pounds, a lot of games are designed to frustrate the user until they either pay up or crack it.... guess which one happens the most in terms of games aimed towards kids.

This is in the limelight over here at the moment and there are calls for these practices to be looked into. I just hope that these underhand devs don't spoil it for the rest of us.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by KAC View Post
My e-penis is very small relative to members of this forum... :bleh:
JohnEJohn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 17, 2013, 10:57 PM   #16
Hyrax
Rage3D Spammer
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Somalia NJ
Posts: 29,366
Hyrax can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficultyHyrax can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficultyHyrax can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficulty


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lupine View Post
In-app purchases should be disabled by default. At the very least, should be a way to global disable at both Google Play Store and Amazon App Store (ie on website, enable/disable for all current / future devices).

Our "ooh click it!" 3yr old managed to buy $9 worth of crap within the .99 app "Cut The Rope" (bought for free via FAOTD). Amazon refunded both $3.99 plus tax charges, and I found the one device (Kindle) we had that didn't have in-app purchasing disabled yet.
Just found out there is an option to pin protect purchases.
To prevent unauthorised purchases, select “Set or Change PIN” from the Google Play settings menu, create a PIN, then enable the “Use PIN for Purchases” option. You will then be required to enter your PIN before every transaction. Please be aware that this option is only available on Android OS 3.x and above.

Found this while looking at CSR racing.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...tion.csrracing
__________________
The Core Value: Non-Aggression :(

Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperNovae View Post
Origin says if you are benchmarking or something to just call and they will help you out. God the horror, those poor souls. This is the type of orwellian nightmare Alex Jones told me about.
Hyrax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 18, 2013, 12:36 AM   #17
Lupine
Administrator
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: United States Grants Pass, OR
Posts: 32,363
Lupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at bestLupine considers Jack Bauer an amateur at best


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyrax View Post
Just found out there is an option to pin protect purchases.
To prevent unauthorised purchases, select “Set or Change PIN” from the Google Play settings menu, create a PIN, then enable the “Use PIN for Purchases” option. You will then be required to enter your PIN before every transaction. Please be aware that this option is only available on Android OS 3.x and above.

Found this while looking at CSR racing.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...tion.csrracing
Yes, I have that enabled too.
Lupine is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Canadian kids are smarter than American kids switchAMG Off Topic Lounge 24 Aug 24, 2010 04:19 PM
Kids are fast with scissors - my three year old kids guest Off Topic Lounge 33 Apr 21, 2008 10:00 PM
HP Purchases VooDooPC 1stFlight Front Page News 2 Sep 30, 2006 03:38 PM
New Purchases Help... m3talc0re General Hardware 7 Jan 26, 2005 10:52 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:33 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
All trademarks used are properties of their respective owners. Copyright ©1998-2011 Rage3D.com
Links monetized by VigLink