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Old Dec 15, 2012, 10:18 AM   #31
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It's not as awesome and simple to use with an amazing end user experience as an iPhone, but IF I went Android, it would be the S3.
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Honestly, if you spend a few days with any of the other devices (Android or WP8 based), you will see how ridiculous that statement is.

iOS is simple to use, yes, but it's basically just launching apps. All other products also launch apps. It's all the other things they do that elevate them to the next level. Not to mention all have higher resolution screens.

If you have a need for some specific apps that are not available on another device, you have more of a point, but "awesome" and "simple to use" are redundant comments based on the actual products. WP8 is arguably far simpler to use and a heck of a lot more powerful.
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Honestly, if you spend a few days with any of the other devices (Android or WP8 based), you will see how ridiculous that statement is.

iOS is simple to use, yes, but it's basically just launching apps. All other products also launch apps. It's all the other things they do that elevate them to the next level. Not to mention all have higher resolution screens.

If you have a need for some specific apps that are not available on another device, you have more of a point, but "awesome" and "simple to use" are redundant comments based on the actual products. WP8 is arguably far simpler to use and a heck of a lot more powerful.
Is this where live tiles and widgets come into play?
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Why not just get the Nexus 4? It has plenty of future proofing since it'll always get the latest version of android before any other phone. Also has the best hardware out there for a phone right now.
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Why not just get the Nexus 4? It has plenty of future proofing since it'll always get the latest version of android before any other phone. Also has the best hardware out there for a phone right now.
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Is this where live tiles and widgets come into play?
Let's just say it's where you evolve from being nothing more than a glorified app launcher.
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Going to get it tomorrow at Staples actually. It's $99 there but I have a $50 off coupon a GS3 and they are doing a mail in rebate for another $50 and a mail in for a $25 google play card. Hell of a deal.
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That's not bad.

There were some $0.01 deals around thanksgiving. My brother got one and he has Jelly Bean on it now, pretty awesome.

I take back some of my comments about the smoothness after messing around with his phone for a good part of today. JB is ridiculous
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Let's just say it's where you evolve from being nothing more than a glorified app launcher.
Meaning what exactly?
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Meaning what exactly?
iOS sucks.
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iOS sucks.
I get that Mr. MS here is not liking Apple.

But I was curious to hear what the evolving part was all about
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I get that Mr. MS here is not liking Apple.

But I was curious to hear what the evolving part was all about
Not sure if serious, but I'll bite.

I have been very vocal about iOS refusing to evolve and being stuck in the stone ages of smart-phone OS development.

Also, I was an iPhone user from the days of the 3G and I am sure you saw plenty of posts and threads from me helping out other folks with iPhone related questions on NVN, just like I do today with WP8 and other items.

iOS has not evolved. Apple sues people, borrows their designs and ideas, sues some more and sticks to the same old, tired shtick. No widget or live-tile options leave it being nothing more than a glorified app launcher. I have been saying this since iOS 4 came out.

Raz brought up the awesome and amazing user experience crap re: iOS. Sure, it WAS awesome and it WAS amazing, 3 years ago.

tl;dr, iOS sucks.

Now, for the OP, if you have already pulled the trigger, there were some deals I found on slickdeals.com.

http://slickdeals.net/f/5708986-Sams...omers-for-0-01

Not sure if you can get a price match, but hopefully you can.

As you Slawter and Raz, here you go, buy lots and lots of iphones for your friends and family either directly or through US based proxies, in the case of Slawter.

http://slickdeals.net/f/5708000-Ipho...-Frys-in-store
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I went from a Droid X (no widgets) to an iPhone 4 (No widgets, less usability compared to the Droid X) to the GS3.
Widgets are all over my screen now. I love these damn things!
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Not sure if serious, but I'll bite.

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No widget or live-tile options leave it being nothing more than a glorified app launcher. I have been saying this since iOS 4 came out.
You should know that I'm not here to start flamewar. No need to bite because I'm not trying to post a bait

Yesterday I asked you if "the next level" would be widgets or live tiles. Then you replied with that evolving statement.
And with the quoted post above, it looks like the next level is indeed live tiles or widgets. Is that the case?

I find that funny because widgets and especially live tiles are nothing more than glorified app icons/launchers. That can't be the next level of mobile operating systems.
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I find that funny because widgets and especially live tiles are nothing more than glorified app icons/launchers. That can't be the next level of mobile operating systems.
They provide information instead of launching into them. You can choose to launch in, or not. If I want to see the weather, I can just look at the widget at a glance and I'm done. No need to launch an application.

iOS can do this too, as we can see from jail-broken devices, but the stock OS sucks.
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Just got home with the phone. I'll try to wait for the "newness" to wear off before I declare it amazing but so far I'm enjoying it immensely.
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Just got home with the phone. I'll try to wait for the "newness" to wear off before I declare it amazing but so far I'm enjoying it immensely.
Did you see my post above about some discounts on-going?

I am not sure how much you paid at the end of the day but you might be able to get some extra bucks off
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They provide information instead of launching into them. You can choose to launch in, or not. If I want to see the weather, I can just look at the widget at a glance and I'm done. No need to launch an application.
I know.
I just wanted to confirm if widgets and live tiles are the "evolved/next-gen" element you were missing in iOS. I guess you did that by now. So thanks
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Did you see my post above about some discounts on-going?

I am not sure how much you paid at the end of the day but you might be able to get some extra bucks off
I ended up paying $45 out of pocket, but will be getting back $75 in rebates so I'm profiting in the whole deal

The performance is so far beyond my old phone (which was expected), and the screen is large enough, that it makes me re-think even keeping my tablet anymore.

Kept just putting the tablet back down and using the phone as the screen is clearer and the phone is just faster.

Call quality is much better than on Trophy, and battery life has been significantly better as I'm just now putting it on the charger after playing with it all day/night long yesterday.

The camera is really nice, and the low light mode actually works really well. I can say I'll be happy using android again as JB has fixed most of what made me ditch the platform a few years back.

Some negatives for me so far, have been mostly cosmetic. I think the phone might be too thin, and the thing is a fingerprint magnet. Will probable be the first phone I ever buy a case for for these reasons.

So far pretty satisfied! I'd love to hear from people about some recommended apps and cases for the phone. I might look into using a custom rom if there would be any tangible benefits but this thing just flies with JB on it.
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Live tiles are goddamn annoying.
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They provide information instead of launching into them. You can choose to launch in, or not. If I want to see the weather, I can just look at the widget at a glance and I'm done. No need to launch an application.

iOS can do this too, as we can see from jail-broken devices, but the stock OS sucks.
You're kidding me right? iOS can check the weather without an app launch or jailbreak. Just pull down the notification center at anytime while using any app.

Please stop talking nonsense in which you're clearly guessing how iOS works.
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I think it's also damned ridiculous that the difference between launching an app and glancing for weather is THAT significant.

Widgets and live tiles are not the major user experience change between iOS and WP/Android IMO. For me, it's things like having more native system access and being able to do things like download whatever the hell file I want into whatever folder I want.
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Further my point, why bother switching to Android when Google is providing all of their apps to iOS. From what I can tell, Google is basically building a platform within iOS connecting all of their apps together. Chrome, Gmail, Maps, Google+, Youtube are the only apps I care for and they seem to be working together.
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You're kidding me right? iOS can check the weather without an app launch or jailbreak. Just pull down the notification center at anytime while using any app.

Please stop talking nonsense in which you're clearly guessing how iOS works.
IOS also has just about the worse notification drop down there is. The default weather drop down shows nothing moment you don't have signal. Want weather on the status bar? That requires a jailbreak. The notification system needs a heavy rework. Aside from just widgets and tiles, having the ability to save things efficiently on your phone is a huge plus. IOS makes the user jump thru loops to do the same things other platforms do. Prime example, download an attachment, make edits, save, and transfer later. Think about what that process would involve on other platforms vs ios.
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Replies based on my experience going from a iPhone 3GS to the Lumia 920 WP8.

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Live tiles are goddamn annoying.
Somewhat agree actually on some apps.


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You're kidding me right? iOS can check the weather without an app launch or jailbreak. Just pull down the notification center at anytime while using any app.

Please stop talking nonsense in which you're clearly guessing how iOS works.
I think what he's referring too is not having to do anything extra to see it. You can catch a glimpse of it, either from the lock screen itself when you're checking the time or between app changes, for example. In iOS, you have to actively seek the information.

I'm willing to believe he's had experience with iOS and isn't guessing. He's cited multiple times there's threads on here from years back where he states how much he likes it and helps others.


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Further my point, why bother switching to Android when Google is providing all of their apps to iOS. From what I can tell, Google is basically building a platform within iOS connecting all of their apps together. Chrome, Gmail, Maps, Google+, Youtube are the only apps I care for and they seem to be working together.
An excellent point in my opinion and a troubling one for Apple at the same time. A bonus for your consumption device is the material driven by a completely different company, not your own execution on competing product lines. Further reinforces the negative pathline Apple is on. (product vision problems [hardware and software], patent wars, anti-competitive practices on app store).


The biggest thing for me, going to WP8, was being able to break free from iTunes. I still use my phone as a phone first, app device second. I'm suddenly now experiencing the freedom of having my Nokia also be a 32gb flash drive for me. I can add and remove content just from click-drag/copy-paste. No more importing, converting, exporting, normalizing for an upload or download to happen. IE in WP8 is completely superior to Safari in iOS. It's faster, loads more content, better tab switching and switches to them faster, awesome. Email management is simpler and more crisp and it's much easier to find apps in Marketplace app.
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I ended up paying $45 out of pocket, but will be getting back $75 in rebates so I'm profiting in the whole deal

The performance is so far beyond my old phone (which was expected), and the screen is large enough, that it makes me re-think even keeping my tablet anymore.

Kept just putting the tablet back down and using the phone as the screen is clearer and the phone is just faster.

Call quality is much better than on Trophy, and battery life has been significantly better as I'm just now putting it on the charger after playing with it all day/night long yesterday.

The camera is really nice, and the low light mode actually works really well. I can say I'll be happy using android again as JB has fixed most of what made me ditch the platform a few years back.

Some negatives for me so far, have been mostly cosmetic. I think the phone might be too thin, and the thing is a fingerprint magnet. Will probable be the first phone I ever buy a case for for these reasons.

So far pretty satisfied! I'd love to hear from people about some recommended apps and cases for the phone. I might look into using a custom rom if there would be any tangible benefits but this thing just flies with JB on it.
Nice!


There was a thread about Android phone apps but I couldn't find it.

There might be some useful information here:

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33994322

and here:

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33994917
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An excellent point in my opinion and a troubling one for Apple at the same time. A bonus for your consumption device is the material driven by a completely different company, not your own execution on competing product lines. Further reinforces the negative pathline Apple is on. (product vision problems [hardware and software], patent wars, anti-competitive practices on app store).
The only direct competition out of all of Google's Apps for iOS is Maps.
Apple doesn't have a video platform, free for all mail service or a social network. A browser is a browser, not a service. But there would be competition as well.

Maps is bad. We know that, Apple knows that.

Not sure why you're talking about a negative path with a lack of vision.
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The only direct competition out of all of Google's Apps for iOS is Maps.
Apple doesn't have a video platform, free for all mail service or a social network. A browser is a browser, not a service. But there would be competition as well.

Maps is bad. We know that, Apple knows that.

Not sure why you're talking about a negative path with a lack of vision.
Sorry slawter but per the norm of your apple blindness, naive response ensues. Is it the only direct competition? False. Raz just cited numerous apps that you question have any competing product from Apple. Raz pointed it out to being, why switch to Android when Google is building a platform within iOS. Well... why not? You'd be interacting the same apps on both sides, it'd be easy to switch. What Google is doing is genius imo. It's almost like a technology trojan horse of peace inside Apple's own walls. As Raz put it, they're building their own platform within iOS.

Apple's iOS:
Safari = Poor - Use Google product
MobileMe = Paid Service Failure - Use Google Product
YouTube = Can't play flash - Use Google Product
Maps = Disaster - Use Google Product

Google's Android:
.... - Use Apple Product???

What on Android now makes people interact with Apple products? What on Apple products make people interact with Google/Android?


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Not sure why you're talking about a negative path with a lack of vision.
Yea you do, it's been stated many times. Seems I'm not the only one.
Good timing for this article out of MacWorld...


http://www.macworld.com.au/news/guy-...-better-82481/

Key point:

Kawasaki is following in Steve Wozniak’s footsteps in declaring plenty of support for Apple’s rival, Wozniak told The Daily Beast website: “My primary phone is the iPhone. I love the beauty of it. But I wish it did all the things my Android does, I really do”

Wozniak continues to believe that Apple should be more open to rival operating systems. “If you remember, we ported iTunes to Windows. We now addressed 100% of the world’s market with this integrated system and it began the era of Apple that we are now in. So why didn’t we port iTunes to Android? Did something get closed up? I love Apple products and iTunes and wish it were on my Android products too.”
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You make good points, but I stay with Apple due to better design, pocket size fit (I think those 5 inch phones are too damn big), lack of malware, better app design for iOS, OS updates the day they are released, etc.

Devs seem to cater to Apple first, then Android. For my most used apps, Facebook, Evernote, 1Password, Instagram, Tweetbot, Day One, Path, Foursquare all get refreshes first, followed by Android whenever they get around to it.

We'll see how iOS 7 goes. I'm not sure what else they can do with the OS at this point besides enhance current features and copy a few of Google's features. Windows 8 Phone is a joke so I'm not too worried about them, especially since Google is not even going to develop apps for them and basicially gave them the finger.
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Sorry slawter but per the norm of your apple blindness, naive response ensues. Is it the only direct competition? False. Raz just cited numerous apps that you question have any competing product from Apple. Raz pointed it out to being, why switch to Android when Google is building a platform within iOS. Well... why not? You'd be interacting the same apps on both sides, it'd be easy to switch. What Google is doing is genius imo. It's almost like a technology trojan horse of peace inside Apple's own walls. As Raz put it, they're building their own platform within iOS.

Apple's iOS:
Safari = Poor - Use Google product
MobileMe = Paid Service Failure - Use Google Product
YouTube = Can't play flash - Use Google Product
Maps = Disaster - Use Google Product

Google's Android:
.... - Use Apple Product???

What on Android now makes people interact with Apple products? What on Apple products make people interact with Google/Android?
Maybe we misunderstood each other.

We're talking about a platform within another platform, right?
That can only mean content, or material as you describe it on your previous post.

The only field of direct competition when it comes to content is Maps.
All other fields are just additions from Google to Apple's platform. Same approach as for Google's additions to Windows, OS X, well "the internet".

So I was questioning your statement about the negative path due to the quality of material of Apple's own execution. The only field that statement applies is Maps. The other Apps of this "platform within a platform" can't be compared to Apple's own executions. Just as you accuse me of Apple blindness, I find it strange that you took Raz's list of Google Apps as an opportunity to trash talk Apple's vision.

It all boils down to the open vs closed system approaches as always.
And when it comes to services, Google aims for the masses and Apple aims for their customers.
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