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Old Nov 23, 2012, 09:13 PM   #61
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I want to see surface pro but depending on price i may go for the asus book

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i was in the middle of buying win rt or win 8 tablet, but have chosen win8 i5 tablet instead.

if you think about it, if you get the win rt, why not just get ios ipad, or android tablet. you can do much more with ipad or android at this time.

but as for win 8 tablet, it is one special device. full window system on the go.

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i was in the middle of buying win rt or win 8 tablet, but have chosen win8 i5 tablet instead.

if you think about it, if you get the win rt, why not just get ios ipad, or android tablet. you can do much more with ipad or android at this time.

but as for win 8 tablet, it is one special device. full window system on the go.

I would disagree about doing more on Android or IPad. Other than a larger app store which is growing consistently for Microsoft, Surface has fully replaced my Acer A500 for Tablet duties and light business work the Android tablet just couldn't cut it in that dept. Business and office work are not what Android tablets or IPad specialize in. They are great consumption devices with little else for getting work done if one so chooses to.

While on the topic of app stores, MS needs to start filtering or I see the same bloat of useless apps that plague IOS and Android. I want quality not quantity. Sadly I think MS will cater to those that think the quantity is a deciding factor if something is considered successful.

One of the things that annoys me with Android is having to search through a mountain of crap to find something worth a damn.

Surface is much more well rounded IMO.
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I would disagree about doing more on Android or IPad. Other than a larger app store which is growing consistently for Microsoft, Surface has fully replaced my Acer A500 for Tablet duties and light business work the Android tablet just couldn't cut it in that dept. Business and office work are not what Android tablets or IPad specialize in. They are great consumption devices with little else for getting work done if one so chooses to.

While on the topic of app stores, MS needs to start filtering or I see the same bloat of useless apps that plague IOS and Android. I want quality not quantity. Sadly I think MS will cater to those that think the quantity is a deciding factor if something is considered successful.

One of the things that annoys me with Android is having to search through a mountain of crap to find something worth a damn.

Surface is much more well rounded IMO.
There are several great office solutions on Android and Apple. I own all the major ones on Android and they're quite good.
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I would disagree about doing more on Android or IPad. Other than a larger app store which is growing consistently for Microsoft, Surface has fully replaced my Acer A500 for Tablet duties and light business work the Android tablet just couldn't cut it in that dept. Business and office work are not what Android tablets or IPad specialize in. They are great consumption devices with little else for getting work done if one so chooses to.

While on the topic of app stores, MS needs to start filtering or I see the same bloat of useless apps that plague IOS and Android. I want quality not quantity. Sadly I think MS will cater to those that think the quantity is a deciding factor if something is considered successful.

One of the things that annoys me with Android is having to search through a mountain of crap to find something worth a damn.

Surface is much more well rounded IMO.
why my win 8 tablet does not include ms office
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why my win 8 tablet does not include ms office
AFAIK, the Surface had it installed with RT. Some other OEM's installed it with RT as well but YMMV. I don't know anyone including it with the full version though.

And it's not the complete version of Office 2013 anyways.
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AFAIK, the Surface had it installed with RT. Some other OEM's installed it with RT as well but YMMV. I don't know anyone including it with the full version though.

And it's not the complete version of Office 2013 anyways.
yea the rt has it. but win 8 the more expensive true PC OS does not include office. at least not on my acer iconia w700
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yea the rt has it. but win 8 the more expensive true PC OS does not include office. at least not on my acer iconia w700
My XPS 12 also did not include it, but I have an MSDN account so it doesn't matter
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It appears that MS has officially said it will support Surface for 4yrs, thats mighty impressive seeing how so many fairly recent tablets are no longer getting anymore, or at least unknown, updates.
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mabran, hows the wifi performance on the surface? i may bight the bullet tomorrow, finally getting the chance to head over to the new MS store to see how it feels in my hand. Ive played around with the Asus model at BB and was impressed, tho it didnt feel all the robust materially.

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Nope, I have a iPad 4th Gen (newest) with 64GB.
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Can I change my vote to yes Just picked up the 32gb surface with touchpad at the MS store. (Sidenote; really impressed with MS's store, very crowded but enough people to help you out. Made for a pleasant experience.) After playing around with it for an hr on location i was really impressed with it. Even tho its the RT it really feels like an legit extension for my desktop. Just setting everything up now and cant wait to really see how this will fit into my life style. I will admit that i will miss the silly apps that android has, but im sure the MS store will fill up with some fun stuff down the rd. Again its not what i really want it for, but it would be fun to fart around once in a while.

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Is this better than the iPad Retina or iPad mini?
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Hell no. The lack of apps...

Give it 6 months for apps to be made. Then just wait for Surface 2.
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Hell no. The lack of apps...

Give it 6 months for apps to be made. Then just wait for Surface 2.
haha lol. I am thinking hard about picking up an iPad mini. It has the right size, lots of games (primary reason for purchase), includes a good browser and such.
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Give it 6 months for apps to be made. Then just wait for Surface 2.
give it 1 to 3 and get Surface pro and run the same programs as your desktop
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give it 1 to 3 and get Surface pro and run the same programs as your desktop
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Surfa...h-309377.shtml
been using my acer w700

i won't be using my ipad2 for a long time.

but data wise, android or ios is much better.
i used 30MB in 2 minutes, even without doing anything on my tab w700 acer...
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It appears that MS has officially said it will support Surface for 4yrs, thats mighty impressive seeing how so many fairly recent tablets are no longer getting anymore, or at least unknown, updates.
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mabran, hows the wifi performance on the surface? i may bight the bullet tomorrow, finally getting the chance to head over to the new MS store to see how it feels in my hand. Ive played around with the Asus model at BB and was impressed, tho it didnt feel all the robust materially.
It has worked well on both 2.4 and 5 ghz bands. I get consistent signal where other devices drop out or get such poor reception it isn't worth it. My A500 has horrible wireless as does my galaxy s2.

I'll address a couple other things brought up earlier. WinRT comes with Office and it is a "Full" of Home and Student so it lacks Outlook but Word, Excel, Powerpoint and One Note are present.

I know Android has office applications but in my work, open source free office does not cut it, and don't even get me started on the plethora of crap RDP client packages on Android. Why should I settle for lackluster "because it can" when I can have a device that was built from the ground up with that in mind with no tweaking, just take it out of the box and run with it as it already has the standards installed and designed around the platform.

I got the android tablet because I have a disdain for Apple as MS did not have a viable tablet OS. Things have changed and the quality shows.
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Can I change my vote to yes Just picked up the 32gb surface with touchpad at the MS store. (Sidenote; really impressed with MS's store, very crowded but enough people to help you out. Made for a pleasant experience.) After playing around with it for an hr on location i was really impressed with it. Even tho its the RT it really feels like an legit extension for my desktop. Just setting everything up now and cant wait to really see how this will fit into my life style. I will admit that i will miss the silly apps that android has, but im sure the MS store will fill up with some fun stuff down the rd. Again its not what i really want it for, but it would be fun to fart around once in a while.

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Congrats, let me know how you like it. I was never in a MS store until I got the Surface but appreciated that the air was not filled with pretensiousness as my experience with Apple stores.

MS store was nice indeed with normal people not holier than thou types.
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Congrats, let me know how you like it. I was never in a MS store until I got the Surface but appreciated that the air was not filled with pretensiousness as my experience with Apple stores.

MS store was nice indeed with normal people not holier than thou types.
He was able to play with it for that long most likely because he was the only one in the store.

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/11/...pad/?iid=HP_LN

I am pulling for MS though. If they can get their apps together and hardware bugs worked out, they will have a respectable 3rd place share of the market. Now is the time due to Apple's supply issues of late. Unfortunately, MS may have priced themselves out of the market with this. Why buy this when I have and iPad with all the mature apps?

It could give Android a run for its money, but those things are damn near free, and you can't beat free. Android is so fragmented and has become a ridiculous widget farm. It's not like people actually use their Android devices anyway given the 75% market share, yet only 20% of online browsing.

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Nah, the store was super busy actually but they had more than enough units on display. Granted some were behind me waiting, but i wasnt done nor rushed through it. If im going to be spending this type of money i wanted to test it really well. BUT its only been open for about a week so its still really new for everyone, it should remain busy for the next few months but i can see it falling off... UNLESS MS can increase its "coolness" factor which will help keep bringing people in. What really annoyed me was when i was walking out some broads came walking in and muffled, so whats all the fuse about, Apple store is better.... I really hope one day this type of attitude, for any platform, will diminish.

I must agree that there's a part of me that keeps hoping for more fun apps like Android and iOS, but for the long haul i dont think i will really care. Im more tickled with mapping drives and using it like the OS that im used to so i can access my files easily and quickly from anywhere in the house. Its nice not having to scope through tons of apps hoping that one will suite my needs when it comes to this specific use. This is what im used to and want, thankfully it works very well so far.

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It has worked well on both 2.4 and 5 ghz bands. I get consistent signal where other devices drop out or get such poor reception it isn't worth it. My A500 has horrible wireless as does my galaxy s2.

I'll address a couple other things brought up earlier. WinRT comes with Office and it is a "Full" of Home and Student so it lacks Outlook but Word, Excel, Powerpoint and One Note are present.

I know Android has office applications but in my work, open source free office does not cut it, and don't even get me started on the plethora of crap RDP client packages on Android. Why should I settle for lackluster "because it can" when I can have a device that was built from the ground up with that in mind with no tweaking, just take it out of the box and run with it as it already has the standards installed and designed around the platform.

I got the android tablet because I have a disdain for Apple as MS did not have a viable tablet OS. Things have changed and the quality shows.
Wifi works REALLY well, i was getting 2-3 bars with my playbook in the farthest point in the house but with the surface im getting full bars maybe one less let alone seeing more wifi networks in my list.
Office is pretty sweet on this, its very refreshing to have proper word/excel on a quick tablet. Agreed, other office apps on other platforms arent up to snuff when it comes to moderate to heavy use. Like i said, with this and its OS a lot of apps are not needed anymore seeing that it does it by default.

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Congrats, let me know how you like it. I was never in a MS store until I got the Surface but appreciated that the air was not filled with pretensiousness as my experience with Apple stores.

MS store was nice indeed with normal people not holier than thou types.
So far so good, when i come home im on it asap. Im finding that im using my PC less and less or for specific reasons (photo work, game...etc).
Yeah the people at the store seemed pretty simple really, but again people may not be looking for this and want that whole Apple cultre RAH RAH RAH attitude... i think there's a definite divide between the two cultures and i dont think it can be gapped.

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He was able to play with it for that long most likely because he was the only one in the store.

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/11/...pad/?iid=HP_LN

I am pulling for MS though. If they can get their apps together and hardware bugs worked out, they will have a respectable 3rd place share of the market. Now is the time due to Apple's supply issues of late. Unfortunately, MS may have priced themselves out of the market with this. Why buy this when I have and iPad with all the mature apps?
Because it is a far superior product and can actually be used for productivity. The app store is only part of the equation and will be fleshed out over time.

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If android wasn't doing so well, why did Apple release a competing product in the mini and a larger screen on the 5?

And widgets are amazing. Seeing information at a glance instead of using an aging app launcher makes a huge difference. When you join the rest of the world in a year or two, however long it takes Apple to catch up, remember your comments.

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Because it is a far superior product and can actually be used for productivity. The app store is only part of the equation and will be fleshed out over time.



If android wasn't doing so well, why did Apple release a competing product in the mini and a larger screen on the 5?

And widgets are amazing. Seeing information at a glance instead of using an aging app launcher makes a huge difference. When you join the rest of the world in a year or two, however long it takes Apple to catch up, remember your comments.

Anyways, going way off topic into reality distortion field land.
Anything that can be done on the Surface can be done on an iPad. Anything.
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Anything that can be done on the Surface can be done on an iPad. Anything.
on the surface,, i mgiht agree.
but on win 8 tab, i dont' think any android or ios can match..

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Anything that can be done on the Surface can be done on an iPad. Anything.
Nope. One can actually be used for REAL productivity. For example, office.

The iPad is a good consumption device and passable productivity device. Surface is good for both.
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Nope. One can actually be used for REAL productivity. For example, office.

The iPad is a good consumption device and passable productivity device. Surface is good for both.
You can't tell an Apple fanboy about productivity. As long as it has the cool factor who gives a flying fark about productivity.
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Windows 8 Pro on Surface would take a big advantage of having a full OS and you could have any programs such like third-party programs and etc unlike the Windows 8 RT have some limited access. But...I don't understand why there are two versions for that? They should just make full OS Windows 8 on Surface and priced it at $300-$400. Call it a day...?
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Windows 8 Pro on Surface would take a big advantage of having a full OS and you could have any programs such like third-party programs and etc unlike the Windows 8 RT have some limited access. But...I don't understand why there are two versions for that? They should just make full OS Windows 8 on Surface and priced it at $300-$400. Call it a day...?
looks more like $850 to $1050 for windows surface pro
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/11...t-to-cost-870/

and from what I can find the asus transformer book w/ a i7 will be close to $1300+ to 1500

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wtf man...that's already expensive for that just a little toy! Meh, I'll stick with my lappy and it's wayyy simple to use.
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wtf man...that's already expensive for that just a little toy! Meh, I'll stick with my lappy and it's wayyy simple to use.
well they are more of a win8 laptop that can be a tablet too with a i5 or i7
I think i'll go for the asus book unless the surface pro runs a lot cooler than it and can take more heat (like in my work truck)

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Looks great! Enjoy!

Would be my non iOS tablet of choice as well
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