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View Poll Results: Will you be getting a Windows Surface (Tablet)?
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Old Oct 19, 2012, 07:38 PM   #1
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Depends on what price I can eventually get one for.
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I like the design, Windows 8 interface is great for a tablet and should compliment my desktop nicely. I currently use an Acer A500 for my tablet now and will happily retire it from active service when my 64GB surface shows up next week.

Honestly I'm just burned out on Android. I know many around here like the openness of the platform but I don't want to tweak a tablet and just want it to work and play my media and browse when I am watching my sports.

From a convenience factor it is worth every penny to me.
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If I could get one with the keyboard cover for around 300 bucks, I would probably pick one up. I'm honestly not very interested in Win RT though. Would much rather have a fully functional tablet that's able to run existing x86 apps.
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yeah im going for the x86 Win8 surface.

Plus i can use it as a gaming laptop if i wanted to
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Going to get a slate for my parents, I am interested to see what the non RT slate's look like. I don't want to get an RT product for them if I can help it.
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No need for the RT because I have an iPad. And the Pros are non-sense IMO, I'd rather get an Ultrabook.
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I hate, hate, HATE the Windows 8 interface. That's all the reason I need to never buy the Surface.

2nd reason - Yes you get decent bang for the buck on the Surface, but I simply refuse to spend that much on a tablet versus a laptop. More than $300 for a tablet is too pricey for me, hence I love my $100 HP TouchPad running CM9. Ok, that's not a fair comparison, but even if my TouchPad died I'd probably replace it with the last generation Samsung or Asus tablet for a good price, so long as I can run ICS or JellyBean on it.
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No need for the RT because I have an iPad. And the Pros are non-sense IMO, I'd rather get an Ultrabook.
Why have yout been praising RT for the last several months while trashing the full-fledged Windows 8 then?
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Why have yout been praising RT for the last several months while trashing the full-fledged Windows 8 then?
Just as a general observation of the current and future situation.
But that doesn't automatically mean that I'll buy a Win 8 RT tablet. I have zero interest in any of Windows 8's variants and products. Hell, I'm not even going to install Win 8 on my PCs anytime soon

btw, I have nothing against Win 8 in general. Modern UI by itself and the normal PC Desktop by itself are both great.
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Just as a general observation of the current and future situation.

But that doesn't automatically mean that I'll buy a Win 8 RT tablet. I have zero interest in any of Windows 8's variants and products. Hell, I'm not even going to install Win 8 on my PC
Thanks for another valuable contribution to the Windows 8 conversation
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Thanks for another valuable contribution to the Windows 8 conversation
See my edit above.

I assumed that a statement like that would follow. You were just quicker than my edit
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Windows RT tablet? Hell no. Non RT tablet? I'd say a 40% chance.
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See my edit above.

I assumed that a statement like that would follow. You were just quicker than my edit
It's cool

After chatting more with my dad, I just got him an ultra-book.

The RT tablets are shockingly fast (and functional) in the time I have spent with them. Not bad options at all.

Personally, I went with a convertible tablet (XPS 12). Current ETA for delivery is early November, so fingers crossed

And Windows 8 on a touchscreen is ridiculously fluid, considering it is a proper OS and has full multi-tasking.
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When it comes to multitasking on a tablet, win 8 is going to smoke the rest. it's not even a competition.

I don't care for it on the desktop, but after using both an ipad and droid tablets, I can see this being a home run if they get the "apps" the kiddies gotta have.
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Win RT is getting sort of a meh response from critics:

http://betanews.com/2012/10/24/micro...tent+Feed+-+BN

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I don't care for it on the desktop, but after using both an ipad and droid tablets, I can see this being a home run if they get the "apps" the kiddies gotta have.
Which android tablets have you used? Windows 8 metro apps actually carry the same limitations that iOS does. In other words, it doesn't really multitask at all. Only the microsoft apps can run in the background, third party apps suspend when you aren't looking at them.

Android so far is the only true multitasking mobile OS.

Unless you're talking about the actual process of switching apps? In that case, android still wins, you just tap the window soft key and a scrollable list and preview window (think windows 7 aero peek) comes up that shows all running apps. Windows 8 you have to do that left finger swipe thing, and then you only get a preview window, and not a list.
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Win RT is getting sort of a meh response from critics:

http://betanews.com/2012/10/24/micro...tent+Feed+-+BN

Which android tablets have you used? Windows 8 metro apps actually carry the same limitations that iOS does. In other words, it doesn't really multitask at all. Only the microsoft apps can run in the background, third party apps suspend when you aren't looking at them.
There are limitations, but multi-tasking is fluid. More on that below.

What have I used? The current Nexus, Xoom, Xoom 2 and the 7 and 10" Tab's. I love gadgets

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Android is a solid OS. But the fact that RT is coming in many cases with Office installed gives Windows a major boost. Office 2013 is quite awesome

It doesn't mean you don't have functionality with Android. Simply that Microsoft has done a good job with it's overall user experience.

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Unless you're talking about the actual process of switching apps? In that case, android still wins, you just tap the window soft key and a scrollable list and preview window (think windows 7 aero peek) comes up that shows all running apps. Windows 8 you have to do that left finger swipe thing, and then you only get a preview window, and not a list.
You have options, you can either use the left charm for currently running apps, or swipe in from the left to switch to the next app. No other OS and touch-screen experience comes close to that ease of switching. Again, Android is very good, far superior to iOS in functionality and usability, but the live tiles and overall usability of Windows 8 is pretty solid.

I have used it on my desktop for months and I have had the opportunity to play around with it on several touch enabled devices and it is a pretty good experience.

However, there IS a learning curve. And how much that affects people will be telling to the success (or failure) of Win 8. The UI isn't going anywhere and over time, people will learn to use it, be it in this iteration or the next.

The number of running apps is an interesting situation, because originally in Android tablets, you could only have a set number and no scrolling. Now Android has scrolling lists.

MS has a limit of about 10 metro apps in my sidebar and no scrolling. How this will change with the upcoming major update that was announced, I don't know, but I do know that MS is in the process of fixing a bug affecting App updates through their store.
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Android is a solid OS. But the fact that RT is coming in many cases with Office installed gives Windows a major boost. Office 2013 is quite awesome
He's talking about multitasking, e.g. the ability of multiple programs to do things at once. Metro apps by design forbid that, unless they are apps made by microsoft, and even then only certain ones, like zune, mail, and a few others.
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He's talking about multitasking, e.g. the ability of multiple programs to do things at once. Metro apps by design forbid that, unless they are apps made by microsoft, and even then only certain ones, like zune, mail, and a few others.
/me shrugs

Pretty sure if apps are created using Windows Runtime, they will run. Since the majority of applications that will run will be through the store and should meet certain standards for RT. This is not restricted to apps created by Microsoft.

For what it's worth, having apps running side by side is a nice little perk. Android does this too.
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Pretty sure if apps are created using Windows Runtime, they will run. Since the majority of applications that will run will be through the store and should meet certain standards for RT. This is not restricted to apps created by Microsoft.

For what it's worth, having apps running side by side is a nice little perk. Android does this too.
Well this is the one I don't get at all, which is that Win RT includes desktop mode, which is what Office 2013 runs under (from what I gather, the office team didn't want to write a metro version.) Desktop apps can multitask proper. However Microsoft will never allow any developer to create desktop apps for Win RT. The only apps microsoft will allow third party developers to produce are those which run under metro.
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Well this is the one I don't get at all, which is that Win RT includes desktop mode, which is what Office 2013 runs under (from what I gather, the office team didn't want to write a metro version.) Desktop apps can multitask proper. However Microsoft will never allow any developer to create desktop apps for Win RT. The only apps microsoft will allow third party developers to produce are those which run under metro.
It is a curious decision but from a programming/design standpoint, it makes sense to accommodate Office 2013 as there are no full-fledged apps for it.
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With all of these e-flyers coming into my inbox (win8 bonanza), i still dont see the price coming down for these RT tablets, most are starting at 599, sigggh...
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With all of these e-flyers coming into my inbox (win8 bonanza), i still dont see the price coming down for these RT tablets, most are starting at 599, sigggh...
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Why have yout been praising RT for the last several months while trashing the full-fledged Windows 8 then?
After looking at some Surface reviews, I noticed that even Windows RT still has a desktop. I somehow missed that before.

So with that, I have to say that there is not a single Windows 8 version that makes sense to me. I simply don't like the interface mixing for different devices. It's confusing.

It's also a real shame that they didn't make a full touch interface for Office. Instead, they took the easy way out. Now the customers have to deal with a desktop optimized interface on a Tablet. You almost have to use some sort of a mouse or trackpad.
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After looking at some Surface reviews, I noticed that even Windows RT still has a desktop. I somehow missed that before.

So with that, I have to say that there is not a single Windows 8 version that makes sense to me. I simply don't like the interface mixing for different devices. It's confusing.

It's also a real shame that they didn't make a full touch interface for Office. Instead, they took the easy way out. Now the customers have to deal with a desktop optimized interface on a Tablet. You almost have to use some sort of a mouse or trackpad.
I think it's only there to prop up the Office and Note apps. I don't think you can actually do anything "desktop" ish directly, but rather the apps are designed for the desktop perspective so it just exists there.
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I think it's only there to prop up the Office and Note apps. I don't think you can actually do anything "desktop" ish directly, but rather the apps are designed for the desktop perspective so it just exists there.
Windows Explorer is also available for file management.
Another easy way out. It's a real shame. Because otherwise Modern UI is such a brilliant tablet interface. With a bit more effort, they could truly make Surface a Post-PC product like no other.
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Another easy way out. It's a real shame. Because otherwise Modern UI is such a brilliant tablet interface. With a bit more effort, they could truly make Surface a Post-PC product like no other.
I'm inclined to agree with you it does feel like it sticks out pretty glaringly. I'm hoping their Windows 8 "version 2" delivers like Windows 7 made good on the promise that was Vista.
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I'm inclined to agree with you it does feel like it sticks out pretty glaringly. I'm hoping their Windows 8 "version 2" delivers like Windows 7 made good on the promise that was Vista.
I think they should separate the Tablet and PC side with the next version.
All they do is slow down the transition phase towards full touch interfaces by taking some easy way outs now instead of designing the next breakthrough for touch interfaces.
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I'm inclined to agree with you it does feel like it sticks out pretty glaringly. I'm hoping their Windows 8 "version 2" delivers like Windows 7 made good on the promise that was Vista.
when it comes to office, im guessing they want to keep familiarity with everything that exists out there already. Office 2011 (or was it 2010?) already scared alot of people with the interface/ribbon reshuffling. I remember hating its guts when i first used it compared to office 2003 i had at home, just because of the reshuffled formatting options.

Win8 UI is already a massive usability shift thats scaring some existing users away.
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