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Old Aug 22, 2011, 11:16 AM   #91
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So uh... does this mean I should make a good, cheap WebOS app? Hundreds of thousands have been sold in days suddenly, and I'm sure most will probably be average people who won't change the OS.
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So uh... does this mean I should make a good, cheap WebOS app? Hundreds of thousands have been sold in days suddenly, and I'm sure most will probably be average people who won't change the OS.
It means you should learn to code HTML 5 apps.

The funny thing is that outside of reviews, I haven't heard bad things about Touchpads from people who actually bought them. To me HP's biggest mistake was the $500 price point. Of course HP seems like they have just had bad management after bad management for the last 15 years or so. That's why my father retired. It's painful to watch the company gut themselves by doing stupid stuff so often.
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This proves 2 things:

1) There's a market for tablet devices

2) These devices must underprice the iPad to sell well. Matching Apple on price and specs is not an option.
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The funny thing is that outside of reviews, I haven't heard bad things about Touchpads from people who actually bought them.
I've tried using the demo units in different stores on multiple occasions. Each time I would inevitably lock the TP up by using multiple tabs, opening too many things at once or just trying to get out of the app tray. It is SUPER laggy when it comes to opening programs and doing certain tasks. In some other areas, usually once something has been loaded for a long time, it's very fast albeit with a hint of response lag. Performance is generally inconsistent and unacceptable.

Add to that dead platform and ecosystem. *shrugs*
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If people are still looking for one of these, Barnes and Nobles supposedly just lowered their price.

http://gifts.barnesandnoble.com/HP-T...=hp%2Btouchpad
Seems a lot of these orders are getting cancelled. Doesn't sound like mine is going to go through, too bad.
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Seems a lot of these orders are getting cancelled. Doesn't sound like mine is going to go through, too bad.
Ordered but mine got canceled.
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2) These devices must underprice the iPad to sell well. Matching Apple on price and specs is not an option.
I think you hit the bulls-eye on that.
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Yeah there is definitely a HUGE market for tablet devices, but these things should cost as much as they're really worth.

When a laptop can be bought for 600, a tablet that does about 1/10 of what a laptop does well should cost around 150-200.

The technology isn't there yet to make this happen but Samsung and others better start realizing it fast.
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Yeah there is definitely a HUGE market for tablet devices, but these things should cost as much as they're really worth.

When a laptop can be bought for 600, a tablet that does about 1/10 of what a laptop does well should cost around 150-200.

The technology isn't there yet to make this happen but Samsung and others better start realizing it fast.
The cost of materials alone makes this an unattainable goal. Apple can't even make them at that low of a cost per unit. A laptop can also do 10x more yet I just bought and sold a laptop because the laptops form factor is crap. If I need heavy computing, I'll do it at a desktop.


Also, how many people buying Touchpads already owned tablets? I guatantee that's a large percentage of people who bought these. Hell, I bought 2.
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Yeah there is definitely a HUGE market for tablet devices, but these things should cost as much as they're really worth.

When a laptop can be bought for 600, a tablet that does about 1/10 of what a laptop does well should cost around 150-200.

The technology isn't there yet to make this happen but Samsung and others better start realizing it fast.
Even Apple can't make them for that little and they have the DDR memory chip business and LCD glass panels locked down. Apple hit the right price point, but for ANYONE to unseat Apple on the iPad, they are going to have to sell at cost. Pricing tablets at a measly $100 less than iPad won't cut it. They need to sell them at $300 or less. $250 is the magic number for the competition. Frankly all people need are 5 apps to make any tablet useful: Kindle, Facebook, Netflix, email, and the browser (that takes care of most tablet needs).

The problem with this is that many makers don't have an app store to make up the profit to sustain the business. Samsung has to sell for as much as Apple because the have no apps to take 30% cut from, nor a music or video store. But note, that this also gives Apple breathing room if they should need to drop their prices. They can sell at cost and make up the difference on apps, movies and music.
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Even Apple can't make them for that little and they have the DDR memory chip business and LCD glass panels locked down.
We actually don't know that. There's no market pressure to force Apple to drive prices down to cost, so currently we can only guess at what their margins are on each hardware unit sold. When iSuppli did their cost estimate on their teardown of the 16GB unit a while back, it came out to something like $300 per unit total hardware costs. But they market at $500. Clearly there's been nowhere near enough market pressure to force Apple to drive costs down any. Which is why they get to charge their 30% on the app and presumably the hardware side as well.
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Even Apple can't make them for that little and they have the DDR memory chip business and LCD glass panels locked down. Apple hit the right price point, but for ANYONE to unseat Apple on the iPad, they are going to have to sell at cost. Pricing tablets at a measly $100 less than iPad won't cut it. They need to sell them at $300 or less. $250 is the magic number for the competition. Frankly all people need are 5 apps to make any tablet useful: Kindle, Facebook, Netflix, email, and the browser (that takes care of most tablet needs).

The problem with this is that many makers don't have an app store to make up the profit to sustain the business. Samsung has to sell for as much as Apple because the have no apps to take 30% cut from, nor a music or video store. But note, that this also gives Apple breathing room if they should need to drop their prices. They can sell at cost and make up the difference on apps, movies and music.
It'd be nice (and good business) if Google gave the OEM's a cut of the app sales profit and maybe ad revenue. After all, these companies are the ones making this happen for Google in the first place.
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Even Apple can't make them for that little and they have the DDR memory chip business and LCD glass panels locked down. Apple hit the right price point, but for ANYONE to unseat Apple on the iPad, they are going to have to sell at cost. Pricing tablets at a measly $100 less than iPad won't cut it. They need to sell them at $300 or less. $250 is the magic number for the competition.
The first thing that is obvious only when you think about it for some time is the idea of undercutting Apple's price point. It's possible, but it automatically makes consumers think the device is inferior and the price point helps prove it. That's why other tablet makers *have* to have the same price point. Prices are not just determined by the time and materials but also amorphous marketing and "strategies". Higher prices really do seem to add more perceived value in the consumer's mind. An absurd example was the "I am Rich" app for the iPhone.

The next thing that, I think, explains the runaway success of the iPad is iOS itself and the ready-made developer and consumer community that arose from the iPhone. Had the iPad come out first or even if the iPhone was released in 2009, things would be VASTLY different. Apple had a few years to runaway with the market which cannot be done under these *****y market conditions.

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Frankly all people need are 5 apps to make any tablet useful: Kindle, Facebook, Netflix, email, and the browser (that takes care of most tablet needs).
Virtually all the tablets had most of those. It didn't really help. People when laying out big bucks sort of want to feel they have a little future-proofing so even if they matched the out-of-the-box capabilities of the iPad, the lack of a substantial pool of other applications looms large. The size of the app pool on the iPad is a huge selling point.

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The problem with this is that many makers don't have an app store to make up the profit to sustain the business. Samsung has to sell for as much as Apple because the have no apps to take 30% cut from, nor a music or video store. But note, that this also gives Apple breathing room if they should need to drop their prices. They can sell at cost and make up the difference on apps, movies and music.
Samsung has the ability to price subsidize their cellphone operations with other parts of their organization, as do players like LG and Sony, not to mention Motorola now. Some cannot, like HTC.

There are problems in the Apple developer system. Since there are so many competitors, it's rare for anyone except established players to make a living off the AppStore. The success of the AppStore isn't equally distributed. Only a handful of developers on iOS make large amounts, and those typically are the big players like EA. That's why I'm on the fence about committing to application development on iOS. Sure, I have the skill set to write a spectrum of differing types of applications, but those wouldn't exactly be huge sellers and I don't have the capital to invest to expand into more lucrative areas. Not only that, but one of my ideas involves moving into an area likely patrolled by companies that wouldn't hesitate to spring some software patent issue. Again, I do not have the resources to combat that, so do I invest my time moving into that area, much less my limited funds? Add to that the intense competition to even get noticed in the AppStore is yet another problem. I still haven't decided.
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Maybe no news is good news. I've never ordered from them online, but I would assume I'd get package tracking info soon-ish if they are going to fulfill this order.
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Yes the tablets had those apps, but the price was a barrier. iPad is perceived to be the better device. Even android phone owners are opting for the iPad over the android tablet.

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Hopefully after this rush they'll have some in stock over the next couple weeks and I don't have to fight all this internet rage.
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Yes the tablets had those apps, bit the price was a barrier. iPad is perceived to be the better device. Even android phone owners are opting for the iPad over the android tablet.
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Yes the tablets had those apps, bit the price was a barrier. iPad is perceived to be the better device. Even android phone owners are opting for the iPad over the android tablet.
Not the people I know. I do own an ipad 1 and 2 and 2 android tablets. Since I got my 4g galaxy tab my ipad 2 is back in the box. Before I carried it cuz it was lighter then my xoom. Now I have a tablet that's way faster connectivity wise, better screen with a proper aspect ratio, that's the same size, and not a bitch to transfer files off and onto. Yea jailbreaking or needing an app to take pictures I took with my tablet without using email is just fing retarded. The list of annoyances really can be quite long. If your an android user and you actually appreciate the freedom it gives using IOS is a pain in the freaking ass.


And also would these apple tards fix the multiple attachment thing already. Needing an app is just fing stupid.
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The market is still in its infancy. The price point for tablets is not 600-1000$. Not when laptops sell for as little as 400$ well equipped. Apple is simply not yet interested in some market segments. Any new tech goes to the high end first which is what Apple has been servicing since the ipad 1 came out. Its obvious that android will surpass apple with tablets over time like it did phones. Its far more aggressive in having top to bottom solutions and multiple brands and varying features and the hw feature set is usually way better.

Let see where things stand in 4-5 years. Even smart phones have a long way to go and have been around a lot longer than tablets. Myself will be in the market for a 200$ smartphone with no contract in about 6 months to a year (with data only plan). I think that market is globally a LOT bigger than 100-200$ down plus gobs of fees and 2-3 year contracts.
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Dagnabit is there anyplace in Canada that carries this sale online... HP.ca still puts up the full price...
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Got my 16Gb in today, the 32 hasn't been fulfilled yet...
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Not bad so far. I still have my old Palm profile so it's easy to setup. Trying to update it to the latest but it's going to take some time initially with everyone buying them up. Gonna give the 16gb to my girlfriend and keep the 32gb for myself.
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I wonder if my Palm profile is still active
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people have been calling and coming into work non stop for the last few days asking me for these.
we dont carry the hp tablets, and its getting rather annoying lol
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