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Old Jun 7, 2011, 08:20 PM   #211
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You mean the flash used for the camera flashes?? That's not how BlackBerry works and that's just a huge waste of power.

There is a small indicator light on a BlackBerry that blinks. It's a low powered LED that barely draws any power. I can't imagine my flash going off everytime I get an email.
Doubt it be full power.
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You mean the flash used for the camera flashes?? That's not how BlackBerry works and that's just a huge waste of power.

There is a small indicator light on a BlackBerry that blinks. It's a low powered LED that barely draws any power. I can't imagine my flash going off everytime I get an email.
It's a neat idea given what they had to work with.

I figure you could make it only flash when the orientation is screen-down or the front light-sensor is occluded to save batteries.
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All I know is that no one bought a Windows tablet, nor talked about them, nor wanted them. iPad is a whole new category of computing device that everyone was trying to copy these days.
They where. However, they where viewed as tools for the work place. They where as expensive, or more so, than their laptop counter parts as well. Putting them outside the reach of the casual consumer (under $1000).

Apple took the slate styled tablet and made it a lower power, arguably less functional, consumer device. Which is fine, but Apple neither started it, nor did the best version of a tablet. They simply made a slicker version of what was already there and marketed it to a different audience that wasn't really targeted by tablets before.

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Doctors at the swedish hospitals here are using it. And they love it, they would kill us if we said we will take it away from them.
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iPad is a great tool for hospitals. I believe a few hospitals here in Toronto are starting to try it out. Getting patient charts by simply looking it up on your iPad is much easier than leaving them at their bed side. My friend works and and says it's a really huge improvement over hand written stuff that needs to be checked and double checked over and over with lots of potential for mistakes.

It is. But this was already happening with Tablet PCs around the world long before iPads came about.
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Doctors at the swedish hospitals here are using it. And they love it, they would kill us if we said we will take it away from them.
No it's not, it's still a toy.

Just because you can pull up charts on it, it doesn't make it any less of a toy or any more of a productivity tool -- it's just a glorified image/doc viewer.

No engineering programs (CAD, MATLAB, PSPICE)
No powerful and meaningful Office suite (who in the heck would even waste their time trying to type on that thing)
No Adobe programs (CS5 suite for example)
No Video Editing programs on the scale of Vegas, Premiere, etc
No Audio Editing programs on the scale of Cool Edit Pro, Audition, etc.
No 3D content creation programs a la 3DSMax, Lightwave, Maya, etc
Lack of Inputs (HDMI, USB, Audio ports)

The list goes on and on and on.

It's a toy first and foremost with productivity coming in as a long afterthought.
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No it's not, it's still a toy.

Just because you can pull up charts on it, it doesn't make it any less of a toy or any more of a productivity tool -- it's just a glorified image/doc viewer.

No engineering programs (CAD, MATLAB, PSPICE)
No powerful and meaningful Office suite (who in the heck would even waste their time trying to type on that thing)
No Adobe programs (CS5 suite for example)
No Video Editing programs on the scale of Vegas, Premiere, etc
No Audio Editing programs on the scale of Cool Edit Pro, Audition, etc.
No 3D content creation programs a la 3DSMax, Lightwave, Maya, etc
Lack of Inputs (HDMI, USB, Audio ports)

The list goes on and on and on.

It's a toy first and foremost with productivity coming in as a long afterthought.
And you, instead of using the desktop/notebook PC, would require a touch-based tablet to be able to do all those things why?
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Old Jun 8, 2011, 12:22 PM   #216
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No it's not, it's still a toy.

Just because you can pull up charts on it, it doesn't make it any less of a toy or any more of a productivity tool -- it's just a glorified image/doc viewer.

No engineering programs (CAD, MATLAB, PSPICE)
No powerful and meaningful Office suite (who in the heck would even waste their time trying to type on that thing)
No Adobe programs (CS5 suite for example)
No Video Editing programs on the scale of Vegas, Premiere, etc
No Audio Editing programs on the scale of Cool Edit Pro, Audition, etc.
No 3D content creation programs a la 3DSMax, Lightwave, Maya, etc
Lack of Inputs (HDMI, USB, Audio ports)

The list goes on and on and on.

It's a toy first and foremost with productivity coming in as a long afterthought.
Wow. Talk about reaching. If you want all out productivity and production, that's what desktops and some laptops are for. You truly don't understand where tablets come into play.
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Old Jun 8, 2011, 12:33 PM   #217
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We use ipads at a nuke plant..just because they don't have all the apps you use (not everyone needs cad, av editing, and 3d content creation tools btw) doesn't mean other industries haven't found productive uses for them. The one I use at home is strictly a toy however lol.
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No it's not, it's still a toy.

Just because you can pull up charts on it, it doesn't make it any less of a toy or any more of a productivity tool -- it's just a glorified image/doc viewer.
I imagine there's entry involved as well.

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No powerful and meaningful Office suite (who in the heck would even waste their time trying to type on that thing)
No Adobe programs (CS5 suite for example)
No Video Editing programs on the scale of Vegas, Premiere, etc
No Audio Editing programs on the scale of Cool Edit Pro, Audition, etc.
No 3D content creation programs a la 3DSMax, Lightwave, Maya, etc
Lack of Inputs (HDMI, USB, Audio ports)

The list goes on and on and on.

It's a toy first and foremost with productivity coming in as a long afterthought.
MATLAB and many CAD programs are on the app store. Office work is doable as even members here have reported writing full papers on it, I can edit docs, powerpoints and edit project files with iOS apps like quickoffice, docs2go, sg project, etc. Video editing can be done on-device with iMovie. Here's something shot entirely on iPhone4 and edited with the same iMovie app found on the iPad: http://vimeo.com/12819723?utm_source...ots+%28Argo%29

App selection allows you to be productive in everyday usage as well, managing tasks, inventory, activity logging, functioning as a CRM, remote client, and more.

I think that's a pretty productive tool even if it doesn't fit your rather narrow definition.

And your posting style is totally hamidxa's...
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Wow. Talk about reaching. If you want all out productivity and production, that's what desktops and some laptops are for. You truly don't understand where tablets come into play.
Should bookmark this quote for next time you bring up productivity on tablets. You're like the bible, contradicting yourself all over the place.
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I imagine there's entry involved as well.



MATLAB and many CAD programs are on the app store. Office work is doable as even members here have reported writing full papers on it, I can edit docs, powerpoints and edit project files with iOS apps like quickoffice, docs2go, sg project, etc. Video editing can be done on-device with iMovie. Here's something shot entirely on iPhone4 and edited with the same iMovie app found on the iPad: http://vimeo.com/12819723?utm_source...ots+%28Argo%29

App selection allows you to be productive in everyday usage as well, managing tasks, inventory, activity logging, functioning as a CRM, remote client, and more.

I think that's a pretty productive tool even if it doesn't fit your rather narrow definition.

And your posting style is totally hamidxa's...
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According to you. Not everyone or every situation follows your requirements of "productivity".

In my line of work, it would be good enough for me to monitor projects, edit documents, use a remote client for troubleshooting, CRM integration, email, contact and appointment management, minor code review and so on. For general office work s well, it's a very productive, mobile solution.
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Is it that hard to understand that alot of industries use this toy in productive ways? Probably alot of industries use other tablets as well, woohoo. I don't understand why it is so hard to understand that a 500 dollar tablet won't run applications designed for workstations that cost alot more, yet it will run stuff that can enhance productivity nonetheless. I have a calculator that wont run softimage xsi, but I still use it everyday, but then again I am a calculator fanboy.
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http://www.apple.com/ca/ipad/business/profiles/

Obviously PR but it gives you an idea of how it can be used.

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No it's not, it's still a toy.

Just because you can pull up charts on it, it doesn't make it any less of a toy or any more of a productivity tool -- it's just a glorified image/doc viewer.

No engineering programs (CAD, MATLAB, PSPICE)
No powerful and meaningful Office suite (who in the heck would even waste their time trying to type on that thing)
No Adobe programs (CS5 suite for example)
No Video Editing programs on the scale of Vegas, Premiere, etc
No Audio Editing programs on the scale of Cool Edit Pro, Audition, etc.
No 3D content creation programs a la 3DSMax, Lightwave, Maya, etc
Lack of Inputs (HDMI, USB, Audio ports)

The list goes on and on and on.

It's a toy first and foremost with productivity coming in as a long afterthought.
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Oh I wrote a few posts but realized they weren't being useful or replied to stuff 4-5 pages back so I deleted them.
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They can fill a very nice niche in the office. Especially since they can be allot cheaper than most full fledged Tablet PCs(1st gen pads can be had for under $500 bux).

Where I personally tend to get a little annoyed is when people go on about something without knowing the history that lead up to it. Or praising Apple for things that are just not as impressive or innovative as people might think.
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If we are going to really bring back the tablet PC, they need to also bring the stylus back.
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The point of the stylus was to compensate for a small-type UI and/or inaccurate digitizers. Since we've come a long way since then, I see no reason to bring back the stylus, imo that'd be a step backwards.

Win8 has the right idea for their touch interface, tiles and full-screen apps that are sized to human fingers. Same thing can be done on iOS, in fact it's done great things with the iPhone touch interface make it work on a smaller screen already.
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I'm not convinced that the stylus is dead. The touch UI has kinda been molded around your finger, everything you touch is big enough for the finger to touch or been made easier to access (like putting the cursor inside text). Areas like that are where a stylus can really be useful.

I'm a CAD guy and if I would much rather use a stylus on AutoCAD rather than trying to peck at the toolbar or menu bar to try and perform a command. On the go editing wouldn't be dumbed down to a reader application and I would have access to the full application.

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The point of the stylus was to compensate for a small-type UI and/or inaccurate digitizers. Since we've come a long way since then, I see no reason to bring back the stylus, imo that'd be a step backwards.

Win8 has the right idea for their touch interface, tiles and full-screen apps that are sized to human fingers. Same thing can be done on iOS, in fact it's done great things with the iPhone touch interface make it work on a smaller screen already.
Stylus is more accurate than fingers. If tablets ever want to have decent productivity then the stylus will have to come back, it's just better for certain things.
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For task-specific accuracy needs, a stylus makes sense. For general usage as a mouse-like pointer, it doesn't. My point is, a stylus should be a peripheral the same way we use design tablets for PCs, not the main way we navigate, enter text etc.
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We're going the way of Star Trek. Apple will continue to shove the iPad down consumers throats, but if you notice in Star Trek, Picard always used a touch "padd" while Doctor Crusher used a stylus for her more advanced usages.

There are uses for everything and iPad just need to work to everything. It works for what it's built for, a media consumption engine.

When iPads become powerful enough, ie a Core i7 kind of processor inside the same TDP of a A5, we'll see the need for different types of input devices.

Eventually though, the iPad will become a ubiquitous computing element similar to the Nintendo WiiU controller. It'll simply be a screen. You will have a Mac Mini or Apple TV type device that houses a Core i7 speed processor or something much faster that requires little or no power / heat dissipation

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We're going the way of Star Trek. Apple will continue to shove the iPad down consumers throats, but if you notice in Star Trek, Picard always used a touch "padd" while Doctor Crusher used a stylus for her more advanced usages.

There are uses for everything and iPad just need to work to everything. It works for what it's built for, a media consumption engine.

When iPads become powerful enough, ie a Core i7 kind of processor inside the same TDP of a A5, we'll see the need for different types of input devices.

Eventually though, the iPad will become a ubiquitous computing element similar to the Nintendo WiiU controller. It'll simply be a screen. You will have a Mac Mini or Apple TV type device that houses a Core i7 speed processor or something much faster that requires little or no power / heat dissipation
Should check out the nVidia Kal El reference design demo video. ARM based quad core tablet with desktop quality graphics, Lost Planet 2 was ported to it and looks fantastic. Kal El coming to tablets this Christmas.
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Not sure what I'll do with iCoud. As far as my email, contacts and calendar, that's handled quite well with Google (I prefer iCal for calendaring, but it's Google support is weak). And with Exchange, my iDevice sync is a sync. I'm not about to change email addresses. Documents might work well. I use Dropbox mostly. Especially when I need my Office format docs for work. Hopefully there's not some requirement that it was to be iWork format docs. No mention if this documents only or any kind of file I want to store. The iTunes Match will be nice though. Shame it'll only "stream" to iDevices.

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Should check out the nVidia Kal El reference design demo video. ARM based quad core tablet with desktop quality graphics, Lost Planet 2 was ported to it and looks fantastic. Kal El coming to tablets this Christmas.
Those are great, but I'm looking far down the line. A playstation 3 in a phone. That's already done too in the Vita pretty much.

Now imagine your gaming computers in the form of a phone. I can't wait.
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