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Old Jul 13, 2020, 08:03 PM   #91
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waiting on AMD no matter what .

it will either be good enough to buy

or less likely it may drop NV's price

the real question is if AMD is first and it is 50% faster than a 2080 ti do i wait on NV ?

AMD is being very quiet on the GPU side
I really don’t think I will be waiting, if not out at the same time and the price isn’t ludicrous I may end up buying, I have a feeling supply is going to be short for 6 months and prices are going to go up short term. Your not going reference so your probably going to be close to waiting till 2021.
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Old Jul 13, 2020, 08:54 PM   #92
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I really don’t think I will be waiting, if not out at the same time and the price isn’t ludicrous I may end up buying, I have a feeling supply is going to be short for 6 months and prices are going to go up short term. Your not going reference so your probably going to be close to waiting till 2021.
i think AMD will have better supply than NV by a long shot

but NV switching to Samsung this late will mean a very slow ramp up in supply and sellers like Newegg and others will jack prices from day one a lot just like the 1080 ti selling for 1500 bucks when mining was going big

but i can wait i may have to turn RT off for cyberpunk 2077 but i can wait
if it doesn't delay again
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The fact that 2080 Tis are still going for $1000 is pretty ridiculous. I can understand why people would be tempted to sell theirs at that price. Not sure why anyone would be dumb enough to buy at that price this late in the product cycle though.

But, really, if you ignore current prices. I feel like a resale price post-Ampere of $700 or so would be kind of par for the course from one gen to the next. Coming in below the new $800 card.

I guess for me it comes down to I don't want to spend my whole life fretting about maximizing every dollar, and having to seriously inconvenience myself by running with a low end graphics card for a few months to do it.
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I just checked on ebay sold listings on my 1080 Ti, Its still going for $500
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I just checked on ebay sold listings on my 1080 Ti, Its still going for $500
it's covid 19 it is as bad as mining everyone stuck working at home
my 1080 ti strix is as high as 659


the 2080 ti have been mostly sold out since the start of the virus
https://www.nowinstock.net/computers...dia/rtx2080ti/

and very few think the ( 3090 or 3080 ti ) will be less than the current 2080 ti prices

and i don't think the top AMD card will be less than 999 in this market
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Guy makes some decent points in the video. Thing is, ebay scalps 10% of your take. So you're not getting $1000. Then, you need another card to hold you over. So there goes another $350-400 or so. Sure you can re-sell that later for probably half that. To me, it still seems pretty debatable whether it's worth the hassle and risk.

OTOH, I do have a zephyrus G15 I can use for games in the interim so could scrap the need for a relatively expensive 'holdover' card. And instead, get something like an old 1070 or 1060 used, that can drive 4K on my TV, but will not do games. Hmmm..
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This is the same width as the two 6-pin power connectors that current PSUs offer but offers a current capacity of 8.5A compared to 6A of mini-Fit 5556 connectors. At a perfect efficiency rate, the mini-fit would deliver 600 Watts of power but that's not always the case and the actual power delivered to the GPU is around 400W at 6 Amps. The primary bottleneck with the traditional connectors is the 20AWG specifications for the pins.
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-...nnector-rumor/

so maybe add a new PSU to the cost
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Someone mentioned an adapter would be provided with the card.
like the old 4 Pin Molex to 6 Pin PCI-Express PCIE

do you really want to plug in a 1200 to 1500 buck card with a adapter
will a average PSU handle this adapter



but i am more worried about the need fore a 400+ watt power plug

+ 75 from the slot a 475+ watt card
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do you really want to plug in a 1200 to 1500 buck card with a adapter

but i am more worried about the need fore a 400+ watt plug
All I can tell you is I'm not buying a new PSU to add to the cost of that card.
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All I can tell you is I'm not buying a new PSU to add to the cost of that card.
if this Samsung chip needs 475 watts of power i very well may not buy it at all
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if this Samsung chip needs 475 watts of power i very well may not buy it at all
Indeed! It'll need a 1K PSU.
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I just bought a PSU and since this is something new, all your going to have is an adapter. There will be no new PSU for me, Mine is already brand new.
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I just bought a PSU and since this is something new, all your going to have is an adapter. There will be no new PSU for me, Mine is already brand new.
Is there a PSU with a 12 pin PCI-E line?
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Is there a PSU with a 12 pin PCI-E line?
I've not seen anything like that on a PSU, That would be something that obviously would come after if its brand new.
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I've not seen anything like that on a PSU, That would be something that obviously would come after if its brand new.
Crazy, thanks NV.
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WFCC tech...

How many times are people going to post "stuff" from that "website"?

They spout any and all bullshit possible so that eventually they'll get it right.
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I've not seen anything like that on a PSU, That would be something that obviously would come after if its brand new.
there is no PSU that will do 400 watts on one PSU cable or plug

even the DGSUS 12 Pin to Dual 8 Pin that most PSU's have is only 300 watts total
what are we going to do plug 4 8 pin plugs from two cables into one 12 pin plug and hope they are on different rails or the PSU is single rail

i see a lot of PSU's popping soon


but i am sure that if needed all the PSU makers already have them ready to go or will just in time for Nvidia
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Most likely if they are changing the connector it is just to start establishing it for when it's needed in the future. It could be a bad general sign for the direction we're going in terms of graphics card power consumption, although you could also argue that the writing has been on the wall for a long time now.
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12 pin power plugs are this gens 1300 price tag i see

Doesn't matter tho in the end cause they will still be bought....they always get bought.....they always come for that fat taco in the dark.....
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WFCC tech...

How many times are people going to post "stuff" from that "website"?

They spout any and all bullshit possible so that eventually they'll get it right.
So very true.

Next week's headline will be how you'll need to sprinkle some fairy dust on the backplate in order to output 10bit color over the VGA port.
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WFCC tech...

How many times are people going to post "stuff" from that "website"?

They spout any and all bullshit possible so that eventually they'll get it right.
didn't start at WFCC tech
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A new rumor has surfaced from Chinese tech site FCPOWERUP, which claims NVIDIA will be using a new power connector on its next-gen Ampere GeForce RTX 3000 series graphics cards.
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/73785...wer/index.html

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Though this 12-pin connector could, in theory at least, be able to deliver anything up to 600W. If it were running in optimal conditions with higher-spec pins, apparently. Given that other performance rumors have posited expected Nvidia Ampere TDPs to be around the 350W mark it does kinda make sense for some new super-powered connector to be utilized.
https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-amper...wer-connector/

and seems to be everywhere

https://www.igorslab.de/en/what-is-d...investigative/

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So all of us need to buy new PSU?
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So all of us need to buy new PSU?
will probably be a converter plug included just like they did the last time the plugs changed.
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Some info on the 12 pin in this vid (skip to 4:53)




Takeaway: it's likely to be more OEM focused and maybe on reference cards too. Unlikely to be on DIY/enthusiast products from IHV's.
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Old Jul 21, 2020, 08:04 AM   #118
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Tech Jesus doesn't put himself out like that unless he knows.

He knows.

About time they came up with a new standard pin.
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Old Jul 21, 2020, 08:28 AM   #119
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BUT DA GRAPHICS CARDS NEED 7KW OF PSU!

This is why you don't believe bullshit from wffctech or the other "credible my ass" websites.

12pin was in dicussion for a few years, and not all boards will even use it, it's probably a thing they want to do to have a singular power connector, or whatever in the future.

Custom cards might have it, but many also wont.
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Some info on the 12 pin in this vid (skip to 4:53)

Takeaway: it's likely to be more OEM focused and maybe on reference cards too. Unlikely to be on DIY/enthusiast products from IHV's.
Good find! +rep
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