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Old Aug 15, 2019, 05:17 AM   #1
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I have a lg 34uc79g-b

Yes I know it's 2560x1080 and it looks fine to me, I was using a ASUS 27" 2560x1440 60hz before and while at first I noticed the slightly lower resolution now it looks perfectly fine for me. (I also have my PC connected to my 55" LG OLED 4k for random gaming on it)

Anyway even if I leave freezync turned off, I get 0 screen tearing. So is there any point to using freesync then? As it sometimes randomly flashes black if the FPS get's too low, when you have a ancient CPU and a Low-midrange GPU tends to happen in games like Cities/Anno 1800 when many things are going on.
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Old Aug 15, 2019, 06:17 AM   #2
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To avoid the judder you get when your fps isn't matched with the hz.
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Old Aug 15, 2019, 06:43 AM   #3
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I mean, are you running Vsync? In that case you obviously won't have tearing either. Reducing judder is the other reason, as Mangler said. However, some people aren't that sensitive to it.

My personal opinion about adaptive sync is it's a little bit overblown. It's a nice feature to have, but it's more of an incremental improvement rather than a massive game changer.

So, if you're happy just running with Freesync disabled (whether with or without Vsync) then more power to you. If you don't notice a problem when it's off then don't worry about it. If you're actually having more issues with it on, then that's all the more reason to disable it.
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vsync creates input lag though.

if you don't notice it with it off, then leave it, but it makes the image smoother as the refresh rate moves with the framerate, so the "stutter" that comes with the refresh rate not matching the framerate doesn't occur.

not sure why your screen is going black with freesync on, sounds like a driver issue or something. shouldn't be doing that
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Yeah I don't use Vsync, the monitor has no screen tearing with or without freesync. Judder I sometimes get but I don't think that's the type that Freesync can fix, as it's usually my CPU being unable to load assets fast enough.
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you probably aren't exceeding your refresh rate bc of the lower-end GPU so you can get away with keeping vsync off
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Some game titles handle it better than others. I only use vsync when a game requires it. 90% of the titles I mess with, I never have an issue running without vsync. The titles that I usually have issues with are fighting titles like Mortal Kombat or Madden 2019 was another I had to use vsync.
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vsync creates input lag though.
The amount of input lag from Vsync is also probably unnoticeable to most people. A lot of people run LCDs with terrible ghosting (especially in the past--my friends were using terrible displays back in 2005 that I found to be absolutely intolerable), so their sensitivity to just about any type of visual anomaly or input lag is very low.

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Yeah I don't use Vsync, the monitor has no screen tearing with or without freesync. Judder I sometimes get but I don't think that's the type that Freesync can fix, as it's usually my CPU being unable to load assets fast enough.
You probably do have tearing, you just don't notice it. If you actually tested using the Gsync pendulum demo or something you'd likely be able to see it, but it doesn't matter. If you don't notice it, just don't worry about it. There's no point worrying about something just because it bothers other people.
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It seems I set refresh rate to adaptive, so that's probably why I don't notice it in older/indie titles that hit 144fps no problem.
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I have a lg 34uc79g-b

Yes I know it's 2560x1080 and it looks fine to me, I was using a ASUS 27" 2560x1440 60hz before and while at first I noticed the slightly lower resolution now it looks perfectly fine for me. (I also have my PC connected to my 55" LG OLED 4k for random gaming on it)

Anyway even if I leave freezync turned off, I get 0 screen tearing. So is there any point to using freesync then? As it sometimes randomly flashes black if the FPS get's too low, when you have a ancient CPU and a Low-midrange GPU tends to happen in games like Cities/Anno 1800 when many things are going on.
Sorry but what GPU do you have? I've got a reference Vega 64 and 144hz monitor and I get no problems like you're describing. TBH it's great with no issues at all. The best monitor I've ever owned.

I find freesync awesome on my card and I'd never go back to a non freesync monitor. No tearing or juddering so what's not to like
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Sorry but what GPU do you have? I've got a reference Vega 64 and 144hz monitor and I get no problems like you're describing. TBH it's great with no issues at all. The best monitor I've ever owned.

I find freesync awesome on my card and I'd never go back to a non freesync monitor. No tearing or juddering so what's not to like
Yeah I'm sure it is great when it works, but not all monitors are the same. Plus I'm sure it would work even better if I was using a AMD card but I'm using a 1660ti so Freesync support is hit and miss.
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That's fair. It works on my little LG 29WK500, which is also 75Hz max... but I'm on a AMD card. The biggest advantage I've noticed is just less input lag at lower frame rates and no tearing(which isn't exactly super evident in every game engine). Not that my Fury is gonna really struggle with 2560x1080p.
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You either:

Get tearing but don't notice it.

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Have vsync enabled and don't notice motion judder.


Once you notice either one, freesync/gsync will be mandatory for you.
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Tearing is why I changed monitor, I ****ing hate it.

However it seems to be very minor on this monitor, but also it's because I was using Adaptive vsync.
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Adaptive sync is freesync/gsync.

That said, tearing is far less noticeable at 144hz.
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That said, tearing is far less noticeable at 144hz.
I meant Nvidia control Panel adaptive sync, the one that existed before Gsync existed.
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Oh I see. Well it must be down to 144hz which does a great job of masking tearing [but it's there].
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I'll second that at 144 Hz tearing can be difficult to notice. Because the screen refreshes so much faster, each tear is only a "microtear". It can be hard to see in a lot of situations, but it is there.
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I'll second that at 144 Hz tearing can be difficult to notice. Because the screen refreshes so much faster, each tear is only a "microtear". It can be hard to see in a lot of situations, but it is there.
Yeah after doing specific testing in Gsync Pendulum test, I do see that the tearing isn't the same like my last monitor they were much bigger, reading up at 144Hz the tears are basically half the size which Is why I see them less.

Activated Freesync and used CRU to adjust the range from 57-144Hz which will hopefully fix the random flickering at low fps.

edit: didn't work, someone suggested with the same monitor 35-144Hz so we'll see.
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When you have gsync activated you must force vsync on in the nvidia control panel... Blur busters said this is the best frame time combination.
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Yeah after doing specific testing in Gsync Pendulum test, I do see that the tearing isn't the same like my last monitor they were much bigger, reading up at 144Hz the tears are basically half the size which Is why I see them less.

Activated Freesync and used CRU to adjust the range from 57-144Hz which will hopefully fix the random flickering at low fps.

edit: didn't work, someone suggested with the same monitor 35-144Hz so we'll see.
Have you downloaded and installed the drivers for your monitor? Some monitors don't play nice if you just leave it set to plug and play. My BenQ is that way, installing it's drivers is a must.
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Have you downloaded and installed the drivers for your monitor? Some monitors don't play nice if you just leave it set to plug and play. My BenQ is that way, installing it's drivers is a must.
Good point never thought to check as I've never downloaded a monitor driver. Was just generic pnp monitor, now I've replaced it with the LG driver. Will see if it does anything different.
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Good point never thought to check as I've never downloaded a monitor driver. Was just generic pnp monitor, now I've replaced it with the LG driver. Will see if it does anything different.
You might need to re-install. The gpu drivers or at least re-detect the monitor inside the nvidia control panel just to ensure it doesn't try to use the old settings..
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Frame limiter > vsync while using GSync or freesync
No, it's not go look at the blur busters article about it..
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Are you referring to this article? https://www.blurbusters.com/howto-low-lag-vsync-on/

Might want to read it more closely, because if you are, they say and show results that have the GSYNC monitor with VSYNC OFF having lower input lag in comparison to the same monitor with vsync on. They even recommend, as I said, the best way is to use a framelimiter 2-3 FPS under the refresh rate maximum, or to run with no frame rate cap at all. Only game I don’t framecap is CSGO. Everything else I cap at 164.
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Are you referring to this article? https://www.blurbusters.com/howto-low-lag-vsync-on/

Might want to read it more closely, because if you are, they say and show results that have the GSYNC monitor with VSYNC OFF having lower input lag in comparison to the same monitor with vsync on. They even recommend, as I said, the best way is to use a framelimiter 2-3 FPS under the refresh rate maximum, or to run with no frame rate cap at all. Only game I don’t framecap is CSGO. Everything else I cap at 164.
That's true, but that's not what i'm saying.. I'm saying to run gsync properly you must turn on vsync in control panel. You can use frame limiters if you want but you will still get tearing unless vsync is on. I'd rather not have the taring is what i'm saying.
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That's true, but that's not what i'm saying.. I'm saying to run gsync properly you must turn on vsync in control panel. You can use frame limiters if you want but you will still get tearing unless vsync is on. I'd rather not have the taring is what i'm saying.
You only get tearing if you go above the framerate, you don't need vsync for Gsync to work, only if it goes above 144fps in my case will it stop working, hence the frame limiter.
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@Evileh- That isn’t true. Tearing is a result of the framerate and the refresh rate not matching. With GSync/freesync, the refresh rate always matches the framerate. This negates the purpose of enabling vsync, because GSync/freesync is an adaptive form of vsync. The positives, without the negatives. Using a frame limiter, you can ensure the framerate never exceeds your monitors highest capable refresh rate so you never lose your free adaptive vertical sync.

You initially said frame times, which seemed like you were talking about input lag/response times, so that’s my bad I guess.
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