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Old Oct 22, 2018, 12:22 PM   #31
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How good is Intel's 14nm++++ compare to TSMC/Samsung 7nm?
going by the 9900k it's out of gas
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Old Oct 22, 2018, 04:56 PM   #32
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going by the 9900k it's out of gas
Unless they start selling their next CPU based off the same technology with a Liquid nitrogen cooler in the box.
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Unless they start selling their next CPU based off the same technology with a Liquid nitrogen cooler in the box.
in between the Intel's heat and power draw and their bug infestation problems

i'm very glad I went Ryzen and Threadripper


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but I do have a extra 5 ton ac condenser on the side of the house that mignt cool Intel's next 14nm chip

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Some interesting tidbits at anandtech:


https://www.anandtech.com/show/13578...rk-papermaster


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IC: With the FP units now capable of doing 256-bit on their own, is there a frequency drop when 256-bit code is run, similar to when Intel runs AVX2?

MP: No, we don’t anticipate any frequency decrease. We leveraged 7nm. One of the things that 7nm enables us is scale in terms of cores and FP execution. It is a true doubling because we didn’t only double the pipeline with, but we also doubled the load-store and the data pipe into it.

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That IO chip is huge. Must have gobs of L4 cache. Looking forward to see that and the much improved latencies and timings scrutinized.

Im trying to find out how much throttling is going on in AVX workloads on intel cpus and if games will leverage it much in the coming years. So far seems very few games use AVX and those that do dont need it to run.

As for throttling seems intel only neuters the boost clocks under avx with recent cpus. Older models seemed to get hobbled by 30%...
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That IO chip is huge. Must have gobs of L4 cache. Looking forward to see that and the much improved latencies and timings scrutinized.

Im trying to find out how much throttling is going on in AVX workloads on intel cpus and if games will leverage it much in the coming years. So far seems very few games use AVX and those that do dont need it to run.

As for throttling seems intel only neuters the boost clocks under avx with recent cpus. Older models seemed to get hobbled by 30%...
Well there's AVX (Sandy Bridge), AVX2 (Haswell), and AVX-512 (Skylake-X). Zen doesn't support AVX-512.
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During last weeks presentation, there was a bit of confusion about the actual IPS performance increase for the 7nm Zen 2 architecture. Was the generational improvement including clock frequency the result of a ~25% perf increase or was that IPC. Well, as it turns out right now it's actually 29% IPC.

The next-generation processor architecture would offer a 29 percent IPC increase when compared to the original "Zen" architecture. It's quite a lot and I'd take it with a grain of salt. Then again, the architecture is substantially different and if you look back at AMD prior to Ryzen, they achieved a 52% IPC increase there as well. So it is not unheard of.

The news coming from Expreview mentions that AMD performed DKERN + RSA tests for integer and floating point units and that resulted into a score of 4.53, that was 3.5 for the first-generation Zen and that indeed is a 29.4 percent IPC. Of course, these are number from the manufacturer themselves and have to be observed with caution as other benchmarks have not been mentioned. So I have to add though, 29% "in certain workloads". Still, impressive.
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can't wait to see the Zen 2 12 and 16 core Threadripper 3's built on that
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Or even 12-16 core on am4. If the IO chip is that cache heavy it would go a long way to helping am4 platforms with just dual channel memory.
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Well, this is looking to be very interesting.
Comment by looncraz was interesting regarding gaming.

https://www.techpowerup.com/249450/a...?cp=4#comments

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We can't read anything more from these results other than Zen 2 is ~30% faster when doing mixed integer and floating point workloads.

However, that particular scenario is actually very common. For games, specifically, we should see a large jump - mixed integer, branch, and floating point work loads with significant cross communication is exactly what the cores see in heavy gaming loads - Intel has won here because they have a unified scheduler, making it easier to get FPU results back to dependent instructions which will execute on an ALU (which might even be the same port on Intel...), it looks like AMD has aimed for superiority on this front.
If they get 30% in gaming that will be huge.
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That's great news. I hope AMD take the gaming crown. I don't think Intel could answer that sort of defecit any time soon.
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I'm glad I held off on that intel 9900K space heater.

If I can milk a few more months out of this 4770K then my next upgrade will be to a Zen 2 processor.
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Yeh bro. I was going to skip 9900k anyway, but if AMD produces these sort of results then I'll happily switch. Can't wait for reviews.
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AMD EPYC Rome With 64 Zen Core 2 Cores Based on 7nm Technology Clock Speed Revealed – 2.35 GHz Inside The Hawk Supercomputer
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We have already covered the bulk of new architectural improvements that AMD is bringing to the table with its next generation Zen 2 core built on TSMC’s 7nm process tech. Which you can find in the link above, however here’s a refresher of some of the key enhancements :
•Improved Execution Pipeline
•Doubled Floating Point (256-bit) and Load/Store (Doubled Bandwidth)
•Doubled Core Density
•Half the Energy Per Operation
•Improved Branch Prediction
•Better Instruction Pre-Fetching
•Re-Optimized Instruction Cache
•Larger Op Cache
•Increased Dispatch / Retire Bandwidth
•Maintaining High Throughput for All Modes

And now, thanks to a leak on the SiSoft SANDRA database via TPU, we can also add double the L3 cache to that list. An entry for an upcoming ROME processor featuring the company’s Zen 2 core has popped up and it revealed that the 64 core chip actually features a whopping 256MB of L3 cache. That’s 16 MB per CCX, double that of the previous generation.
https://wccftech.com/amds-next-gen-z...l3-cache-size/
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AMD CTO on Zen 3, 7nm+ CPU Architecture: Will Primarily Leverage Efficiency With Some Modest Performance Opportunities
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The dust has barely had time to settle on AMD's X470 chipset, which launched alongside its second-generation Ryzen processors. Looking ahead, however, X570 is now right around the corner, or so the latest leak says. One thing that's interesting about the upcoming chipset is that it supposedly will offer PCI Express Gen 4 support.

If the X570 does indeed end up supporting PCIe 4.0, as the latest leak indicates, it will be AMD's first chipset to do so, and the first consumer platform in general. It also stands to reason that AMD's upcoming Zen 2 processors (Ryzen 3000 series) will support PCIe 4.0 too.

Whether the leaked information is accurate or not, it's impossible to say (AMD doesn't talk about unreleased products, and nothing has been announced yet). This is all based on a slide at Gamer.com.tw. The slide appears to be several months old, as it highlights AMD's B450 chipset and Athlon 200GE series as being unreleased as well.

According to the slide, AMD will launch its X570 chipset at Computex. That's still several months away—Computex 2019 gets underway on May 28 and runs through June 1.

While it's wise to always take leaks and rumors with a generous heaping of salt, it wouldn't surprise us if Zen 2 (otherwise known as Matisse) ends up supporting PCIe 4.0. AMD appears to be embracing the updated spec—it recently launched Radeon Instinct MI60 accelerator is the world's first 7-nanometer GPU to boast PCIe 4.0 support, which doubles the bandwidth over PCIe 3.0 solutions.
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navi is pcie 4.0 also from what I read
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I know this shtick has been beat to death, but is AMD smoother again with Ryzen? People are saying that the keyboard and mouse are being interrupted directly on the cpu and that it makes for incredible feel in game. Can anyone testify to this?
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I know this shtick has been beat to death, but is AMD smoother again with Ryzen? People are saying that the keyboard and mouse are being interrupted directly on the cpu and that it makes for incredible feel in game. Can anyone testify to this?
I noticed smoother game play from my i5 to 1700, but that could be entirely due to the 4c/4t vs 8c/16t difference in some games maxing out the i5 whereas the 1700 has tons of headroom.
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Intel is well and truly ****ed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCdsTBsH-rI&t=0s

3700x and a 580x MB
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I don't believe it. What will threadripper spec be?
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That is most certainly fud. There’s no way they’re selling a 12c/24thread chip for $299. The clock speeds are also absurd. I understand moving to TSMC will help but those increases are nuts.

If it’s true, then yep, RIP Intel, but I’d keep a lot of salt ready for this one.
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That is most certainly fud. There’s no way they’re selling a 12c/24thread chip for $299. The clock speeds are also absurd. I understand moving to TSMC will help but those increases are nuts.

If it’s true, then yep, RIP Intel, but I’d keep a lot of salt ready for this one.
the 16 core lines up
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...9SIA2W08FK6524

a 100 less than a 1950x

without the 4 channel memory and all those pcie lanes

and I think they will keep the same 499 cap on ryzen as thhe 1800x was

so the 12 core 3700x maybe 399 at most I think
but if it is 5GHz and 15%+ IPC I'll would pay a little more if need be


they have been says around 5GHz max boost on ryzen for almost a year but I don't know maybe

7nm will make them cheaper and cheaper as it goes along
and they maybe cutting them close to cost at first to get more market share

and 7nm and TSMC may well get them to 5GHz
I think GF hurt them on the last ones .
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