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Old Jan 9, 2019, 10:13 AM   #91
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If they can't get 10nm process working, how do they plan on getting the 7nm process working short of crawling and bagging to those that have perfected the 7nm process? Going to be an interesting year in 2019 on the CPU front.
Process node names are just marketing. Intel had problems with 10nm because they ramped the transistor density aggressively and used fancy new materials. Intel's 7nm is a more conventional shrink and shouldn't have the same issues.

I would like to see something competitive from AMD in the laptop and Ultrabook space. Intel still rules mobile and their new stacked chip tech further increases their lead in efficiency and packaging.
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Just got home and soaked up all the info, or should I say, the lack there of.



Oh well, back to focusing on the government shutdown.
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The new Ryzen processors will come with the Zen 2 microarchitecture that provides a higher level of instruction level parallelism (IPC) than the first-gen Zen design, meaning the chips can process more cycles per clock. That will offer an additional speedup beyond the normal gains from increased clock frequencies.

AMD demoed a pre-production Ryzen 3000-series processor going head-to-head against a Core i9-9900K. It's noteworthy that AMD hasn't fully tweaked the design yet, meaning that it will likely extract more performance from the chip before it comes to market. The eight-core 16-thread Ryzen processor was about even with the eight-core 16-thread Core i9-9900K in a Cinebench multi-threaded workload, with the Ryzen score 2,057 to the i9's 2040.

Given that both processors have eight cores and sixteen threads, the benchmark results suggest that AMD is matching Intel's single-threaded performance, at least in this particular benchmark. Cinebench does respond well to AMD's SMT implementation, but the results are impressive nonetheless.

Possibly matching Intel's single-threaded performance is a watershed moment for AMD, as that type of workload has long been one of the few areas where the Ryzen processors lagged behind Intel's models. But that isn't all. Su also pointed out that the denser 7nm node allowed the Ryzen processor to consume less power, which ultimately equates to heat, than the Core i9-9900K.

The AMD processor pulled ~30% less power than the Core i9-9900K. That's a tremendous advantage over Intel's processors, which have gained a reputation for requiring high-end motherboards, power supplies, and coolers to extract the optimum level of performance. The Ryzen processors' impressive achievement means that it could be much cheaper to build full systems with AMD's Ryzen 3000-series processors, thus offering a similar level of performance while maintaining the value advantage.

Su held up a naked chip, showing that the third-gen Ryzen processors have two dies: one for compute and one for I/O. That's much like the design the company uses in its Epyc Rome processors.

Third-gen Ryzen is coming to market in the "middle of 2019," and Su said that the company would share more details as it comes closer to launch.

Su closed the show on a personal note, saying that she wants the industry to come together industry together to cross boundaries, and that together they can enable the impossible and allow the smartest and brightest minds to solve the most interesting and challenging problems.
Good and bad. Good being that it is about as fast as the 9900k at 30% less power. The bad is that it is coming middle of 2019.
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The more I look at it now the more I am not impressed with Zen2. I mean ok you are slightly beating Intel on Cinebench, too be expected but Intel is working on a 14+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ model.

Intel's Arch is what 4 to 5 years old and AMD's is brand new. So what will Intel's 10nm in 2H of 2019 be like?

Given you have 20% lower power which might equate to better overclocks etc. But you are limited by silicon itself as well.

We'll know when we get closer too June though....

I am just not all that impressed. Vega II is a joke we had its performance 2 years ago in the Ngreedia camp, and AMD is just reaching Intel Level of performance that we've had for years.
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Old Jan 10, 2019, 12:35 PM   #95
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If the leaks pan out then I think the pure horsepower will go to AMD.

You can also look at it like this too. If the leaks were right then AMD was putting their $200.00 Ryzen 5, 4.8Ghz, 8 core/16 thread chip against Intel's 5.0Ghz $550.00 9900k and matching it. The Ryzen 7's are thought to be 12 core / 24 threads and go to 5Ghz. Then the Ryzen 9's are 16 core / 32 thread at about the same speed. The 9's are leaked to cost around $500.00ish. Which is currently the price for the 9900k... So, AMDs middle tier Ryzen 5 CPU is matching performance of the top tier Intel 9900k for 2/5th the price.

If the leaks do pan out then you'll have a Ryzen 9 3850x CPU with 2x the core computing power and slightly faster single core speed as Intel's 9900k. All for the same money.

That's not even going into the power consumption or the cooling requirements.

While it's not a straight out killer for Intel, I do think that it puts AMD in a much better position going forward. They really could be in the position to have the fastest and most powerful CPU out for a while. All the while having a good price/performance ratio that makes it a better choice.

They look to be going for market share at this point. Which is good for the rest of us. Hopefully it will drive pricing down in the desktop arena.
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Note what looks like traces for a 2nd die.
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Note what looks like traces for a 2nd die.
There is also speculation the second die area is for adding a on board GPU, as it was pointed out AMD's presentation started out talking about laptops.
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shot not just laptops but desktop apus I mean an 8core cpu with a navi gpu on a single package would be awesome to see.
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shot not just laptops but desktop apus I mean an 8core cpu with a navi gpu on a single package would be awesome to see.
This could very well be a multi platform design where they can add extra cores, a gpu, etc. If that is the case, it will stream line production, as well as bring costs way down.

edit: Thought just struck me, possibly another viable option for that extra area on the Chip is to have it be some type of AI cores, so Ray Tracing and such can be done via CPU rather than on the GPU. That would create a big issue for Nvidia because it would mean nearly Any GPU paired with a Ryzen 2 could do Ray Tracing and eliminate Nvidia's tensor cores as a threat, making half of Nvidia's 2000 series cards useless for those Ryzen owners. Which would seriously turn the Vega II into a more viable solution for those wanting Ray Tracing.

If they could do something like that, it would be like kicking Intel and Nvidia in the nuts at the same time.
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There is also speculation the second die area is for adding a on board GPU, as it was pointed out AMD's presentation started out talking about laptops.
GPU would be bigger or at least not what looks like the exact same size

and we know there is a 12c/24t and 16c/32t coming
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GPU would be bigger or at least not what looks like the exact same size

and we know there is a 12c/24t and 16c/32t coming
Yeah, even the dinky Vega IGP eats up a ton of real estate:



Plus it and the CPU are starved for power when both are under load.
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Note what looks like traces for a 2nd die.
question is it going to be a soldered ihs ?

or no ihs ?

if no will coolers and waterblocks still fit
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Yes of course they'll fit - those chips have an IHS covering them. There's no way AMD will sell them raw.
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Yes of course they'll fit - those chips have an IHS covering them. There's no way AMD will sell them raw.
I still got a pentium iii here somewhere that was raw

and they might cool better
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Default PCIe 4.0 May Come to all AMD Socket AM4 Motherboards

I did not think this was possible. Good news maybe for X370 owners like me.


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I did not think this was possible. Good news maybe for X370 owners like me.


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I did not think this was possible. Good news maybe for X370 owners like me.


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Ah dang it... was really looking forward to a nvme drive upgrade.
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Sorry thought this was good news lol, if my board gets the update I will also have a tough choice I love my Asrock.
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like i said I think they are going to go for a navi die on gpu and we dont know what that would look like yet. as the new APUs will likely launch after ryzen 3 and threadripper 3
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Wasn't this already a strong speculation because of 7/7 for 7nm?
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Boost Clock is single Core only. But $500 for a 16c/32t CPU, good luck Intel.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Boost Clock is single Core only. But $500 for a 16c/32t CPU, good luck Intel.
Which CPUs have an all core boost speed?
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Old Mar 4, 2019, 10:50 PM   #115
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I think I'm done with higher core counts at this point. 8C/16T was a nice increase compared to 4C/4T (or 8T for i7), but at this point I'm not seeing the need for more cores than that. I think it will be years still until 8C/16T are fully saturated by games, and I don't need to compress that much video.
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I think I'm done with higher core counts at this point. 8C/16T was a nice increase compared to 4C/4T (or 8T for i7), but at this point I'm not seeing the need for more cores than that. I think it will be years still until 8C/16T are fully saturated by games, and I don't need to compress that much video.
If the high end are saturated in core counts then the low and mid grade specs will follow. I think we'll see adoption faster than we did when moving into the core 2 duo time. The lack of real integration probably has more to do with just how long 4 core was "king."

I think even more, just a few years out from the original ryzen launch you're seeing games take use of multi core, gone are the single core starcrafts and what not. And as another boon, all of the consoles are running 8 cores it'll at least mean developers look to utilize all of those to leverage the full power of the box, which will translate to even more multi threaded engines.
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I think I'm done with higher core counts at this point. 8C/16T was a nice increase compared to 4C/4T (or 8T for i7), but at this point I'm not seeing the need for more cores than that. I think it will be years still until 8C/16T are fully saturated by games, and I don't need to compress that much video.
Division 2 is doing a fair job at it


I will be grabbing a Ryzen 7 3700X 12/24 at 4.2GHz base and 5.0GHz max


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My 2500k+ has been waiting for this ryzen 3700x upgrade for many many years. I just don't believe the prices/specs. It seems like more of a fantasy spec sheet.

Time will tell. Don't wait too long AMD. Sell some CPUs, make some cash because intel will be throwing $$$$$$ at the problem to get their CPUs out.
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I'm going in balls deep in to a 16c/32t depending on how many cores clock to 5GHz.
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