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Old Mar 14, 2019, 04:29 AM   #3241
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The sucky chips that did not make the cut.

They are found on the cards without a factory overclock.
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Old Mar 14, 2019, 05:17 AM   #3242
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Old Mar 14, 2019, 06:53 AM   #3243
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To be clear, you can use anyone's associate code, but it does give you 5% off so it's worth it. Also, there is tax, at least for CA.

I had that in my cart earlier today. Along with the hybrid adapter and tax I was over $1250. I went all the way through the checkout, even put in my credit card, but when it came time to hit submit I couldn't pull the trigger. I went back and looked at reviews and realized that was $1250 for 20% performance over my 1080 Ti………………... And I closed my browser.

It's just not worth it to me. The price is too high for too little performance increase. If it was 30-40% increase I probably would have bit. If it was a hundred or two cheaper, maybe I would have bit. But as it stands I just don't see it being worth it.
Wtf, that's a hefty tax, wasn't taxed in my state for some reason even though many places have started taxing us now.
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Old Mar 14, 2019, 06:55 AM   #3244
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Ironically, considering how much you pay per % of performance over the 2080---I calculated it out to be something like $15 per percent---it might actually be "worth" paying the extra ~$150 for a non-A chip. Put another way, the extra OC performance you get might not cost more than the $15 per percent you're already paying, so you're not actually getting a worse deal.
Its going to be luck of the draw but I have heard these chips can OC not bad as well.
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To be clear, you can use anyone's associate code, but it does give you 5% off so it's worth it. Also, there is tax, at least for CA.

I had that in my cart earlier today. Along with the hybrid adapter and tax I was over $1250. I went all the way through the checkout, even put in my credit card, but when it came time to hit submit I couldn't pull the trigger. I went back and looked at reviews and realized that was $1250 for 20% performance over my 1080 Ti………………... And I closed my browser.

It's just not worth it to me. The price is too high for too little performance increase. If it was 30-40% increase I probably would have bit. If it was a hundred or two cheaper, maybe I would have bit. But as it stands I just don't see it being worth it.
If you're gonna buy a 2080Ti, you might as well buy an OC version which stomps a 1080Ti in both 1440p and 4k. I just enjoyed playing Metro Exodus with everything enabled inlcuding tesselation and hairworks, looked at 1080Ti benchmarks in comparison and laughed. Plus this game looks great with ray tracing. A 1080Ti may be good for mid range settings in 2019.

As far as price, well don't expect anything cheaper soon on the high end. You have plenty of options on the low to mid range end though.
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I got enough of these RTX cards as everyone probably will know by now. I would rather pay 1000 for someones used A model then 950 for that. For a non A max I would pay is 900 with tax included. Even then tbh the non a is still more than 25% faster than a 1080ti. If you looked at recent drivers its getting to the point where

2060<= 1080 getting closer (this was really shocking to me tbh)
2070<= 1080ti
2080> 1080ti by a larger margin

This gap is only going to increase over time as NVidia isn't optimizing for pascal. This black edition cooler is worse than the regular dual fan acx from before on the 10 series. For the 2080ti very few dual fan coolers are that great. The asus dual blower looks hefty but it performs very meh and so does even the triple slotish xc ultra.
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I don't really need a 2080 Ti to play through my backlog of 5 year old games. By the time I'm playing 2019 titles the 4080 Ti will probably be out.
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No way a 1080TI is a midrange card in 2019 that’s a stretch and a half. I’m maxed out in Metro pretty much 70FPS constant @ 1440P with small dips into the low 60s high 50s .. but with gsync I don’t feel it much. Also noticed that when the dips happen my GPU usage isn’t capped at 99, so might have something to do with my 4c/8thread 6700K.
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No way a 1080TI is a midrange card in 2019 that’s a stretch and a half. I’m maxed out in Metro pretty much 70FPS constant @ 1440P with small dips into the low 60s high 50s .. but with gsync I don’t feel it much. Also noticed that when the dips happen my GPU usage isn’t capped at 99, so might have something to do with my 4c/8thread 6700K.
Well @ 1440 maxed without DLSS I was dipping into the upper 40's in the desert so that 1080Ti of yours is doing wonders.
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No way a 1080TI is a midrange card in 2019 that’s a stretch and a half. I’m maxed out in Metro pretty much 70FPS constant @ 1440P with small dips into the low 60s high 50s .. but with gsync I don’t feel it much. Also noticed that when the dips happen my GPU usage isn’t capped at 99, so might have something to do with my 4c/8thread 6700K.
at 4k it is now in some new games

and i'm still running my 1080 ti strix in my other system
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No way a 1080TI is a midrange card in 2019 that’s a stretch and a half. I’m maxed out in Metro pretty much 70FPS constant @ 1440P with small dips into the low 60s high 50s .. but with gsync I don’t feel it much. Also noticed that when the dips happen my GPU usage isn’t capped at 99, so might have something to do with my 4c/8thread 6700K.
It's replacement and competition isn't midrange pricing but its a mid range product. We are talking about 2016 performance here cut down titan pascal with faster ram. The market is fcked up but you have the 1660ti/2060/70. 60/70 are much closer than they use to be. Then you have the 80 and then the TI above it, then the too stupid to know better RTX titan. So NVidia has fed over the whole market but yea its a mid range card that sits in the middle of the stack.
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Well @ 1440 maxed without DLSS I was dipping into the upper 40's in the desert so that 1080Ti of yours is doing wonders.
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It's replacement and competition isn't midrange pricing but its a mid range product. We are talking about 2016 performance here cut down titan pascal with faster ram. The market is fcked up but you have the 1660ti/2060/70. 60/70 are much closer than they use to be. Then you have the 80 and then the TI above it, then the too stupid to know better RTX titan. So NVidia has fed over the whole market but yea its a mid range card that sits in the middle of the stack.
The 2070 is not as close as you’re making it seem. The 2080 isn’t doing much better, especially once the 1080TI is oc’d. I mean go ahead and call it what you guys want, but now we’re calling the last gen flagship midrange because it struggles at 4K just like it did when it was the flagship? Well ****, guess it was midrange the whole time then

If the 1080TI is still keeping up with the 2080, it’s not midrange imo.
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The 2070 is not as close as you’re making it seem. The 2080 isn’t doing much better, especially once the 1080TI is oc’d. I mean go ahead and call it what you guys want, but now we’re calling the last gen flagship midrange because it struggles at 4K just like it did when it was the flagship? Well ****, guess it was midrange the whole time then

If the 1080TI is still keeping up with the 2080, it’s not midrange imo.
Nunz I got both cards as you can probably guess. Its not as close as you like to think. And yes the 2080 is midrange to me, as its in the middle of the product stack for the most part.
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In the middle .. I guess being the 2nd fastest card in the product lineup somehow makes it midrange. Ok
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Wtf, that's a hefty tax, wasn't taxed in my state for some reason even though many places have started taxing us now.
Part of the cost was the $160 for the AIO add-on. Tax was around $85 or so. Still was enough that it made a marginal purchase to star with less appealing to me.
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Realistically the 1080Ti is not even top 3 anymore


1. 2080Ti
2. 2080
3. Radeon VII
4. 1080Ti
5. 2070

You can switch around 2 and 3 depending on benchmark but the 1080Ti lags behind both. The 2070 is also right at 90% of a 1080Ti at a $499 price point, which might be a better deal for most than a used 1080Ti at $500 because of RTX.
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Realistically the 1080Ti is not even top 3 anymore


1. 2080Ti
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You can switch around 2 and 3 depending on benchmark but the 1080Ti lags behind both. The 2070 is also right at 90% of a 1080Ti at a $499 price point, which might be a better deal for most than a used 1080Ti at $500 because of RTX.
I know touring does really well at dx12 but it seems like gtx1080ti is much closer to rtx2080 than 2070. Are you comparing a reference 1080ti to an overclocked 2070?

https://m.hardocp.com/article/2018/1...1080_ti_1070/4
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I know touring does really well at dx12 but it seems like gtx1080ti is much closer to rtx2080 than 2070. Are you comparing a reference 1080ti to an overclocked 2070?

https://m.hardocp.com/article/2018/1...1080_ti_1070/4

Results are often skewed by older titles. Take a look at newer titles or more recently optimized titles such as Apex legends and a gap is more noticeable. If I was a 1080ti owner, I would just dump it then get the cheapest 2080. If you pay attention to rebates etc you may pay 0 for the swap, and it only helps your resale value later down the line. Loosing the vram is not a game breaker.
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1. 2080Ti
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I wouldn't really consider the A and non A Ti chips to be the same making a 1080Ti the 5th fastest gaming card ATM all while lacking modern features.

Edit: changed 5th best to 5th fastest given that it could be debated that a 2070 may be a better option for mid resolution gaming given it's full feature set.

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Damn this thread went full retard. Now the A and Non A chip 2080TIs are different cards entirely in the product stack

Alrighty you guys win lmao, that’s just ... wow lol.
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We should go even further and include both the samsung and micron version of the 2080 ti on the list.

Checkmate 1080 ti.
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Results are often skewed by older titles. Take a look at newer titles or more recently optimized titles such as Apex legends and a gap is more noticeable. If I was a 1080ti owner, I would just dump it then get the cheapest 2080. If you pay attention to rebates etc you may pay 0 for the swap, and it only helps your resale value later down the line. Loosing the vram is not a game breaker.
Personally I only care about the games that I actually might play. For that in the foreseeable future rtx2080 isn't worth an extra $250 or 50% more than I paid for my 1080ti.

For as often as you upgrade why would possible future performance matter much? I knew going in that dx12 and Vulcan wasn't this cards strong suit.
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Old Mar 15, 2019, 12:42 PM   #3264
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Personally I only care about the games that I actually might play. For that in the foreseeable future rtx2080 isn't worth an extra $250 or 50% more than I paid for my 1080ti.

For as often as you upgrade why would possible future performance matter much? I knew going in that dx12 and Vulcan wasn't this cards strong suit.
Most 1080tis go for what 500- low 600 used these days depending on what model you had. Here in the US getting a 2080 for 600 isn't to hard. I saw multiple around 600-620 on newegg every now and then with game bundles. NV doesn't care about pascal anymore. Read the driver notes, there are new drivers have improvements for only turing. I personally didn't feel the 2080 was much diff from the 1080ti but I can definitely see improvements in that gap over the past couple months.
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Old Mar 15, 2019, 07:51 PM   #3265
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If you have a 1080 Ti there's no real point going to 2080, whether it's slightly faster or not. They're close enough that your gaming experience isn't going to be vastly different. Of course, buying new you'd obviously go with 2080 over 1080 Ti at equal prices.

Anyway, if anyone's looking for a 2080 Ti, I saw that someone's selling a few EVGA 2080 Ti XC Ultra Gaming's for $1099 on eBay (3 slot cooler, and should be A chips). They're listed as "new", not "new other", so they may even be sealed (although sometimes sellers lie about that sort of thing).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-GeForc...kAAOSwYu1chsPl
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Old Mar 15, 2019, 09:11 PM   #3266
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1080TI holds it's own, I was surprised:

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Old Mar 16, 2019, 08:18 AM   #3267
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If you have a 1080 Ti there's no real point going to 2080, whether it's slightly faster or not. They're close enough that your gaming experience isn't going to be vastly different. Of course, buying new you'd obviously go with 2080 over 1080 Ti at equal prices.

Anyway, if anyone's looking for a 2080 Ti, I saw that someone's selling a few EVGA 2080 Ti XC Ultra Gaming's for $1099 on eBay (3 slot cooler, and should be A chips). They're listed as "new", not "new other", so they may even be sealed (although sometimes sellers lie about that sort of thing).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-GeForc...kAAOSwYu1chsPl
Not a bad deal. Cooler sucks though just a fyi even though its a thick boi
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Old Mar 17, 2019, 05:49 PM   #3268
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Rumors are floating around that NV will showcase Ampere GPUs at GTC 2019 which starts today.

I strongly doubt this will happen as this is too early and not necessary for NV at this stage but in case it ends up happening you know you heard it first from your trusted rumor mill...Megaman.




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Rumors are floating around that NV will showcase Ampere GPUs at GTC 2019 which starts today.

I strongly doubt this will happen as this is too early and not necessary for NV at this stage but in case it ends up happening you know you heard it first from your trusted rumor mill...Megaman.




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Rumor is it won't be gaming cards if they announce anything but a new line of AI/Workstation/Prosumer cards.
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If it is for workstation/prosumers then I agree we may hear more about that but certainly not for desktop. I should have been clear about that.
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