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Old Jul 21, 2021, 02:39 AM   #1
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Old Jul 21, 2021, 04:55 AM   #2
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How is 25% faster in single-core with little to no optimizations on an ES chip underwhelming? That's literally the opposite of underwhelming, if the rumor is true. I don't really know any games using 32threads.. I'd rather have faster IPC and clocks than extra cores that aren't used. That fat chunk of L3 Cache is hot as **** too

Also remember that this is with, afaik, JEDEC DDR5 which is slow with insanely high timings. We haven't seen any DDR5 released yet that's even running XMP.
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Old Jul 21, 2021, 05:05 AM   #3
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How is 25% faster in single-core with little to no optimizations on an ES chip underwhelming? That's literally the opposite of underwhelming, if the rumor is true. I don't really know any games using 32threads.. I'd rather have faster IPC and clocks than extra cores that aren't used. That fat chunk of L3 Cache is hot as **** too

Also remember that this is with, afaik, JEDEC DDR5 which is slow with insanely high timings. We haven't seen any DDR5 released yet that's even running XMP.
Zen 4 is rumored about 40% ...Also the 12900k frequency is 5.3 ghz for some cores.Is pushed very high imo.
Also with all this marketing about DDR5 i expected something more .... intersting
I mean AMD made something intersting with Zen 3 3D and it gets 15% more performance in games.
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Old Jul 21, 2021, 05:26 AM   #4
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How do you know what clock speed is pushed hard on an architecture that is brand new on a node that hasn't been used on desktop yet?

Again, this is a sample that was used with extremely slow DDR5 as there is ZERO on the market beyond JEDEC speeds. JEDEC is always slow .. hell, JEDEC just moved to 3200Mhz on DDR4 not very long ago.

The performance considering the tons of limitations and lack of optimizations is very impressive. It will only go up from there, especially, I suspect, when we have memory that isn't running slow as piss. We'll see some XMP kits once the platform releases.

There's no real world use data of Zen3 3D getting 15% improvement yet. It's rumored.
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25% over the AMD 5950 in single thread is nice. That might get some people to purchase. That is, if there are any available. I wonder what the benchmarks look like with all cores. My guess is that AMD will still win that race. Because if not, well, Intel would have leaked that benchmark out too...
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Old Jul 21, 2021, 06:07 AM   #7
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12900K showing 11% faster Multi-Core than the 5950X in Cinebench.

These aren't Intel leaks. These are the result of the douche that "acquired" very early samples and sold them for thousands of dollars. Many of the people who bought them have been struggling to find motherboards, though. You can buy JEDEC DDR5 right now if you wanted to.
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How do you know what clock speed is pushed hard on an architecture that is brand new on a node that hasn't been used on desktop yet?

Again, this is a sample that was used with extremely slow DDR5 as there is ZERO on the market beyond JEDEC speeds. JEDEC is always slow .. hell, JEDEC just moved to 3200Mhz on DDR4 not very long ago.

The performance considering the tons of limitations and lack of optimizations is very impressive. It will only go up from there, especially, I suspect, when we have memory that isn't running slow as piss. We'll see some XMP kits once the platform releases.

There's no real world use data of Zen3 3D getting 15% improvement yet. It's rumored.

Ok ... you are right...There are still too many variables for Alder Lake.
So we do like this.Promise me if the 12900k will be underwhelming then send a pic of your epeen to KAC.He will not ignore that for sure.
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I'm assuming Alder Lake will not work on Z590 boards.
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I personally don't like this, I think we need Intel to do badly and suffer for a few more years so that amd can actually get better financially in the medium term. If Intel made a curbstomp comeback too fast we're going back to Intel monopoly again by 2023-2025.
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I personally don't like this, I think we need Intel to do badly and suffer for a few more years so that amd can actually get better financially in the medium term. If Intel made a curbstomp comeback too fast we're going back to Intel monopoly again by 2023-2025.
KAC needs asap to spend another 3000$ in PC components so it's fine ...
This new intel platform is so critical to his life ...
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KAC needs asap to spend another 3000$ in PC components so it's fine ...
This new intel platform is so critical to his life ...
I don't think it's necessary to tell other members how they should spend their money.
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I don't think it's necessary to tell other members how they should spend their money.
I was being ironic and joking about what KAC already "programmed" for his money
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I was being ironic and joking about what KAC already "programmed" for his money
Yeah funny thing is you seem to be doing that a lot and you're also focusing exclusively on KAC :\

Maybe stop scaring the kids mkay :3
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