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Old Jul 11, 2019, 12:52 PM   #31
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If playing ultra sure but high settings lots of cards can do 4k/60 fps on many games.
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Old Jul 11, 2019, 01:50 PM   #32
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I will gladly write up an amateur review.

From what I have been reading, the comments about the blower maybe a smidge overblown. Not to mention that Hardware Unboxed just did a great video showing off the card's new sharpness feature that obliterates DLSS. This new feature just plain works and doesn't require anything from developers.

I'll give a real-world layman's description of how I like the card. I think when the AIB's come out, they are going to swing for the fences on prices to probably $450+.

So I got this card now and another $50 to spend after taxes and shipping. So I might pick up a game title or the AV-8B Harrier for DCS World.

I'm wicked excited guys, I haven't picked up a new card since the my 970 came out (except that time I bought the 1080Ti and married it to my Sandy Bridge setup for a week).
This is still just a sharpening filter. DLSS can still use and display high resolution textures natively. For example if you use sharpening at at 1440p and the game uses 4k textures, you're going to see more texture detail with 4k DLSS with those 4k textures, especially up close.

It's too bad you didn't get to see Metro Exodus with RTX and 4k DLSS, you might have changed your mind. Hardware Unboxed even stated 4k DLSS looked better than RIS.
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A sharpening filter that is producing better image results than DLSS without the need of tensor cores and any performance loss.




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IMO, that dlss example looks like the result of some bug, that texture isn't fully loaded.
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A sharpening filter that is producing better image results than DLSS without the need of tensor cores and any performance loss.


It's a sharpening filter, same thing you can sharpen your monitor with. Or Reshade. Or Sweetfx. DLSS is something different.

It's also like saying sharpening is better than DSR. You're just sharpening the image. DSR works with an internal higher resolution.

Metro Exodus 4k DLSS is the best example of DLSS so far and produces a much better image than RIS. Because DLSS is used properly in that game. Hardware Unboxed even admitted to this.
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It's not the same as pumping up the sharpness on your monitor. That is a far less impressive sharpening filter than what is being implemented by AMD.
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RIS works well in virtually every game and doesnt need to be implemented by a dev unlike DLSS. Running 1800p and running RIS on a 4k mon with near same image quality gives you ~30% more FPS perf right out of the box.

That makes the 5700 XT a heck of a good buy as an intro 4k gaming card imo.
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Damn some people are getting 2.3 ghz out of the 5700xt. Its an ocing monster. They UV and then pushed...




They cracked the power tables on the 5700 so it can go past 1850mhz...



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Can the boards handle it long term? I saw EK are making a water block - could be fun to play with. I kinda want one.


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IMO, that dlss example looks like the result of some bug, that texture isn't fully loaded.
Yeah that 100% looks like a loading error. That aside, it's a welcomed feature and does seem to improve image quality in the videos I've seen. Curious to see it in person for aliasing artifacts or shimmering.


So I had a post deleted and probably rightly so - I was ranting about 5700 locked oc. Not impressed with AMD on that one. That card could've been a sleeper.
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They've already worked around that 1850 mhz limit on the 5700.

Hitting 2.3 ghz on the XT is a bit extreme but Id have no issues running 1.2 v long term if it gave me 2.1 ghz.

Undervolting and better cooling can get you ~2 ghz easy.
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They've already worked around that 1850 mhz limit on the 5700.
I haven't looked into it but does that involve bios flash?
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I haven't looked into it but does that involve bios flash?
Misread that they just used the power play tables...


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Yes I used the powerplay tables to bypass the 5700 lock.

Yes am using the stock 5700 cooler with max temps around 70c around 3500-4000rpm

There are many powerplay tables but I suggest the 50% power target one and not the 90% as you'll end up nuking the GPU.

As for gains, I saw around a 20fps improvement in some games not all of course. But I feel am around 2070 overclocked/2070s levels with a 5700.
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https://www.anandtech.com/show/14618...5700-review/15

1.2v is standard for the 5700xt...


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70c around 3500-4000rpm

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Def but the fact they can take the lousiest cooler and get this kind of an oc tells us how good the aibs versions will be.
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Will likely be a little better, but at some point you hit the voltage/clock limit regardless of temps. It will be good for a more consistent boost clock and likely a lot quieter.
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It's a sharpening filter, same thing you can sharpen your monitor with. Or Reshade. Or Sweetfx. DLSS is something different.

It's also like saying sharpening is better than DSR. You're just sharpening the image. DSR works with an internal higher resolution.

Metro Exodus 4k DLSS is the best example of DLSS so far and produces a much better image than RIS. Because DLSS is used properly in that game. Hardware Unboxed even admitted to this.
DLSS was a classic example of over(software)engineering, IMO. It was an interesting idea that might have turned out to have merit. But instead it turned out to not doing anything more than a standard dumb filter could do, all the while being 1000 times more complicated. It's possible to come up with very intricate ways of solving simple problems, and that's what Nvidia managed to do with DLSS. The result simply isn't that great, but meanwhile it's very impractical to implement since it requires machine learning.

I also suspect it will quietly be dropped in the next year or so, and we just won't hear anything more about it. So, I certainly wouldn't buy a 2000 series card based on DLSS.
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DLSS was a classic example of over(software)engineering, IMO. It was an interesting idea that might have turned out to have merit. But instead it turned out to not doing anything more than a standard dumb filter could do, all the while being 1000 times more complicated. It's possible to come up with very intricate ways of solving simple problems, and that's what Nvidia managed to do with DLSS. The result simply isn't that great, but meanwhile it's very impractical to implement since it requires machine learning.

I also suspect it will quietly be dropped in the next year or so, and we just won't hear anything more about it. So, I certainly wouldn't buy a 2000 series card based on DLSS.
Nobody should buy a 2000 series card based on DLSS. But when it's implemented properly (Metro Exodus), its superior to any sharpening filter. Because it isn't a sharpening filter. A sharpening filter won't magically add in texture detail because all it's doing is sharpening. The idea behind super resolution image processing is to take a lower resolution image and produce a near identical higher resolution image. This isn't new, this kind of image processing existed for years (medical, satellite, photography), requiring machine learning as well. Nvidia calls their version DLSS, they're the first to bring it to gaming. Metro Exodus does this well and even Hardware Unboxed, who love to crap on Nvidia, had to admit the DLSS image looked better vs RIS but then went on to complain about DLSS performance (which doesn't matter with a 2080Ti).

Lastly, If you really want to discuss this further there's another thread for that in the other graphics card section.
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But hey, let us not forget that while you bemoan about how Hollywood is bending over backwards for that market, you're also asking them to simultaneously consider the 'delicate' sensibilities of those state side who need to see a flag plastered all over the place like some Michael Bay movie barfed into another equally worse Michael Bay movie that then **** into the mouth of the team who designs the Call of Duty campaigns with all of their red, white and blue awesomeness with such an overly large boner for America that one does not need to actually 'fly' to the moon, they simply could tight rope on top if it. And if you're concerned about whether or not that penis is strong enough to be load bearing for such a journey, you forget that what fills all of those engorged crevices is freedom.
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After spending the weekend getting the house ready for the In-Laws visit, I finally got to do some gaming last night with the RX5700XT.

Initial impressions (going from GeForce 970)
  • Skipping two generations is one helluva upgrade.
  • The card is bloody quick.
  • The Catalyst software suite is polished and fantastic.
  • I like the look of the blower card, dent and all. Reminds me of a Formula One car shrink-wrapped body panels.
  • Case temps improved with the replacement of the 970.
  • Temperatures for the card and case are perfectly within scope.
  • I can play all my titles in Ultra for 1080p.
  • So far, I have been able to play Cars in VR at ultra settings and its smooth.
  • DCS World, ramped up the graphics all the way up in VR, the exception of some setting (shadows flat, etc.)


I'm putting this last entry separated from the list above because I want it to stand out. I have spent the early part of my PC Gaming life enjoying ATi video cards and before that, 3DFx. After 2004, I have moved exclusively to Nvidia.

This is my first ATi (AMD) card in 14 years and I can conclusively say, without a shadow of a doubt, that ATi cards have the best image quality. Especially in terms of color saturation and black levels. For 14 years Nvidia has delivered washed out garbage, and I've just gotten used to it. Like a battered wife syndrome. Even after setting the correct HDMI color profile, etc.. The visuals I witnessed last night across numerous titles, felt bold, colorful and contrast-ey heaven.

I know there will be arguments on both sides, and it is a subjective thing, but to my darling eyes, ATi just plain has better visuals. It's downright gorgeous and I could not be happier with my purchase of the RX5700XT.
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AMD has been known to have higher color saturation compared to NV. NV has more of a "natural" appearance while AMD has more "pop." If you like the vibrant look, you could have just raised the "Digital Vibrance" setting that's in the NVCP and achieved the exact same thing ..
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Digital Vibrance can get things close, but it's not the same thing. This has been well known for over a decade.
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No ****, I said in my post that it’s been a known thing. This has been debunked for years; Nvidia has a lower dynamic contrast by default, but that can be changed to match AMD’s appearance. There’s nothing going on that can’t be edited to match, it’s just different default color settings.

The biggest issue used to be the NVCP defaulting to Limited RGB range for some reason but I haven’t seen that happen in years. It doesn’t help that a lot of the videos that claim major IQ differences are from people that couldn’t be bothered to buy a capture card..
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Color differences these days will be due to the color settings and monitor. All color information is sent digitally over HDMI/DVI Link/Displayport. AMD did have better color back in the analog VGA days because they had a better 2D processor, but any perceived color differences now will be due to the initial color setting or monitor used. Or the age old placebo affect.

First thing I do when I get a new card or monitor is calibrate the card first to make sure its sending out a base signal, calibrate the monitor accordingly, then recalibrate the card again to my tastes (which is generally a neutral output (not warm or cool) with a slightly higher contrast/color vibrance from base (really takes advantage of LG's superior color display over PC IPS). Then enjoy that setup for years to come without touching it again.
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I was going to say I must be getting old(eyes going bad) because I can't tell the difference between nVidia and AMD based on 2D color output. I have both in a single system and can switch between the two without rebooting. I can't tell the difference in 2D.
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Sorry that reads off when I read it now. I was just trying to say that setting alone has never been enough on its own.
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Sorry that reads off when I read it now. I was just trying to say that setting alone has never been enough on its own.
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Nobody should buy a 2000 series card based on DLSS. But when it's implemented properly (Metro Exodus), its superior to any sharpening filter. Because it isn't a sharpening filter. A sharpening filter won't magically add in texture detail because all it's doing is sharpening. The idea behind super resolution image processing is to take a lower resolution image and produce a near identical higher resolution image. This isn't new, this kind of image processing existed for years (medical, satellite, photography), requiring machine learning as well. Nvidia calls their version DLSS, they're the first to bring it to gaming. Metro Exodus does this well and even Hardware Unboxed, who love to crap on Nvidia, had to admit the DLSS image looked better vs RIS but then went on to complain about DLSS performance (which doesn't matter with a 2080Ti).

Lastly, If you really want to discuss this further there's another thread for that in the other graphics card section.
Eh.. don't really want to discuss it further since my opinion is DLSS is largely worthless (too much effort, for too little pay off), and I don't even care enough to argue about it. We're obviously not going to agree so what's the point of even saying anything more about it?

The one thing I'll say about RIS, is that at least it's a straightforward implementation that should pretty much work with every game out of the box. I doubt I'd ever use it either, myself. (For that matter, since I now have a G-sync monitor I'm "locked in" to Nvidia so it's kind of a moot point anyway. )
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