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Old Jul 7, 2007, 01:49 PM   #1
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The FTC said in a report that, despite popular support for net neutrality, it was minded to let the market sort out the issue.
This means that the organisation will not stand in the way of companies using differential pricing to make sure that some websites can be viewed more quickly than others. The report also counsels against net neutrality legislation.
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Old Jul 7, 2007, 02:08 PM   #7
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Old Jul 7, 2007, 03:42 PM   #8
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Just for the US I believe. "Land of the free"? I lol'd.
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Just for the US I believe. "Land of the free"? I lol'd.
"Land of the Free" is another catchy phrase the tv taught them and they like to repeat it randomly because it gives them the illusion they're free

Those who are really free don't need to say it all the time
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I love how many foreign morons think we are prisoners in the U.S. and yet, strangely, I can still walk outside and do whatever I please (within lawful reason of course).

Oh and P&R in 3...2...1...
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I love how many foreign morons think we are prisoners in the U.S. and yet, strangely, I can still walk outside and do whatever I please (within lawful reason of course).

Oh and P&R in 3...2...1...
so you are lead to believe...

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so what exactly does this mean?
Say your isp signs a contract with yahoo. In doing so it disables all access to other search engines, forcing you to search exclusively through yahoo (or f they want they can create their own search engine and force all customers to use that). How about you have vonage and are happily using it. Your company may want to start its own voip service so it forces vonage to not function on its network and instead you have to use your isps voip. Terrible news truly, last bit of real freedom gone.
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Say your isp signs a contract with yahoo. In doing so it disables all access to other search engines, forcing you to search exclusively through yahoo (or f they want they can create their own search engine and force all customers to use that). How about you have vonage and are happily using it. Your company may want to start its own voip service so it forces vonage to not function on its network and instead you have to use your isps voip. Terrible news truly, last bit of real freedom gone.
How would an ISP that did that stay in business? Who would pay for that ****?
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How would an ISP that did that stay in business? Who would pay for that ****?
You can bet your ass that I won't. If comcast does this crap to me, I'm abandoning it faste then a 10 dollar hooker on prom night.
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This was in the *ahem* news section a while ago.

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I love how many foreign morons think we are prisoners in the U.S. and yet, strangely, I can still walk outside and do whatever I please (within lawful reason of course).
Can you walk outside with a bottle of vodka in hand?
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How would an ISP that did that stay in business? Who would pay for that ****?
What if all the isps did it, you wouldn't have much of a choice now would you?
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What if all the isps did it, you wouldn't have much of a choice now would you?
Id start my own ISP company with no boundries and become rich! Filthy rich! EVERYONE would greet me as the saviour that I would be!
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Id start my own ISP company with no boundries and become rich! Filthy rich! EVERYONE would greet me as the saviour that I would be!
The barriers of entry to market of isps are insane.
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Only in America.
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What if all the isps did it, you wouldn't have much of a choice now would you?
That would be terrible, I'm just hoping that competition will stop this from happening, but I have serious doubts. I don't trust the telcom companies.

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This isn't a democracy. The government has proven time and time again that they don't care what the public thinks. This is just more proof of that. We desperately need better governments.
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What if all the isps did it, you wouldn't have much of a choice now would you?
Highly unlikely. If that would happen, and no new ISPs were to popping up to take on the competition, then that's the time for regulatory authorities to step in. However, it seems right now people are chasing ghosts on the middle of the day. Like the FTC stated, in the absense of a market failure there's no need for additional regulations at this time. Truth is, we rely on the market in much more important things than internet access, such as bringing food on our tables, so I don't see why people are expecting a market failure here.
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Not only that but not many ISP's would do that except maybe something like AOL.

If most ISP's did restrict net access, some ISP's wouldn't and everyone would move to them and, then the other ISP's would be forced to unrestrict the net again, and we'd be back were we are now.
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Highly unlikely. If that would happen, and no new ISPs were to popping up to take on the competition, then that's the time for regulatory authorities to step in. However, it seems right now people are chasing ghosts on the middle of the day. Like the FTC stated, in the absense of a market failure there's no need for additional regulations at this time. Truth is, we rely on the market in much more important things than internet access, such as bringing food on our tables, so I don't see why people are expecting a market failure here.
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I'll just hate the day, when say, someone like Comcast who has a bunch of customers, tells Google one day that they need to pay billions of dollars, for Google to continue to get traffic from Comcast customers, otherwise, they'll get blocked.

That is really the scary part here. Not how we are treated, but how the traffic will get treated. Americas data infrastructure needs to grow, not be regulated.
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