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Old Oct 26, 2020, 04:56 PM   #1381
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I think your first comment is a capital crime in the UK where you'll be hung, drawn & quartered and then made to play games in 4K on a Radeon 480

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Those that think AMD is going to sell their cards at near the same price point as NVidia need to stop and remind yourself of 1 thing, other than they will have a card that May be faster, or at the very least the same speed as Nvidia: Market Share! AMD only has 18% off the GPU Market, Because of this, AMD will still sell their cards at a much cheaper price than Nvidia until they gain a substantial amount of the Market. I suspect you won't see prices comparable to NVidia until they get nearer to 50% market Share. Having the fastest card out, if true, at this time by it's self, won't do that much for their market share. They have to keep prices lower for now. I may be wrong, but that is how I see it.
I 100% agree. The pricing of the Radeon VII was opportunistic as NV made the 2080 so expensive. Remember the Radeon VII wasn't even supposed to be released as a graphics card but it was too easy for AMD to release sub standard Instinct cards at that price. With Nvidia setting a price point of £$699 that isn't going to work this time.

If AMD price the same as Nvidia I'm Buying 3080 all day long but if they price the 6800XT <£$50/100 I'll buy AMD. it's simple economics really. For every existing AMD customer they lose they have to recruit two existing Nvidia users to gain anything. What's the chance of that if they price the cards the same?

As for the 6900 if it's £$750/800 I might be interested but any higher then no thank you.
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I 100% agree. The pricing of the Radeon VII was opportunistic as NV made the 2080 so expensive. Remember the Radeon VII wasn't even supposed to be released as a graphics card but it was too easy for AMD to release sub standard Instinct cards at that price. With Nvidia setting a price point of £$699 that isn't going to work this time.

If AMD price the same as Nvidia I'm Buying 3080 all day long but if they price the 6800XT <£$50/100 I'll buy AMD. it's simple economics really. For every existing AMD customer they lose they have to recruit two existing Nvidia users to gain anything. What's the chance of that if they price the cards the same?

As for the 6900 if it's £$750/800 I might be interested but any higher then no thank you.
It doesn't matter right now, Video Cards are flying off the shelf, It would honestly be dumb to price it more then $50 lower then a 3080 and in all honesty I think they can get away with pricing it the same right now. Now the 6900XT or whatever they call it is where they can undercut a 3090 by alot and I would bet on that one being $999 as that is where the 3090 should be priced.
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Sorry Bill I'm talking about the language. I was once at Manchester Airport going on holiday with the family when an American woman asked me "excuse me do you speak American". I replied "no madam I speak English".

She looked very perplexed and walked off The wife game me a bollocking for being rude but seriously American as a language? A bollocking in the English vernacular is to be given a severe verbal chastising in case you didn't know.

Back on topic as well as price AMD need to deliver two more things. Firstly decent day one drivers no more of the fine wine crap. They need to be good to go from day one.

Secondly, a decent fan solution not like that POS fan on the VII card that was very loud. With regard to availability I've been lucky/unlucky in that I was able to buy a Vega 64 and Radeon VII on launch day quite easily, although I did cancel the latter after I read the reviews. As AMD have such low market share I'm hoping availability will hold up on launch date but I guess we'll see.
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It doesn't matter right now, Video Cards are flying off the shelf, It would honestly be dumb to price it more then $50 lower then a 3080 and in all honesty I think they can get away with pricing it the same right now. Now the 6900XT or whatever they call it is where they can undercut a 3090 by alot and I would bet on that one being $999 as that is where the 3090 should be priced.
You're missing the point here I'm afraid. If you have a 1080/ti or lower Nvidia card why would you buy an AMD card at the same price of a 3080? Makes no sense. If you're new to dGPU as some of these people might be why would you buy the card that has <20% market share against the card that has 80% if they're priced the same? Herd mentality prevails I'm afraid. Why do you think Intel has made trillions and trillions. Hell I've been an AMD customer for the last decade and I'm sat on the fence.

Cards that sell at $999 are halo products that sell minuscule amounts but you could easily argue I'd rather pay $1,500 for a 3090 because it has 24gb ram to a 6900 with 16gb. It's always swings and roundabouts but if your market share is so low as AMD's is you can't do price matching. If they do, things might end very badly or maybe after two months of little sales they might be able to slash the cost and recoup some losses but by that time it could be too late.
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You're missing the point here I'm afraid. If you have a 1080/ti or lower Nvidia card why would you buy an AMD card at the same price of a 3080? Makes no sense. If you're new to dGPU as some of these people might be why would you buy the card that has <20% market share against the card that has 80% if they're priced the same? Herd mentality prevails I'm afraid. Why do you think Intel has made trillions and trillions. Hell I've been an AMD customer for the last decade and I'm sat on the fence.

Cards that sell at $999 are halo products that sell minuscule amounts but you could easily argue I'd rather pay $1,500 for a 3090 because it has 24gb ram to a 6900 with 16gb. It's always swings and roundabouts but if your market share is so low as AMD's is you can't do price matching. If they do, things might end very badly or maybe after two months of little sales they might be able to slash the cost and recoup some losses but by that time it could be too late.
Supply and Demand! Only 2 days left, but I dont see them going more then $50 below the $699 3080. Not saying they wont lower it later, but demand is there right now and the card will sell at the same price or slightly lower.
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Sorry Bill I'm talking about the language. I was once at Manchester Airport going on holiday with the family when an American woman asked me "excuse me do you speak American". I replied "no madam I speak English".

She looked very perplexed and walked off The wife game me a bollocking for being rude but seriously American as a language? A bollocking in the English vernacular is to be given a severe verbal chastising in case you didn't know.

Back on topic as well as price AMD need to deliver two more things. Firstly decent day one drivers no more of the fine wine crap. They need to be good to go from day one.

Secondly, a decent fan solution not like that POS fan on the VII card that was very loud. With regard to availability I've been lucky/unlucky in that I was able to buy a Vega 64 and Radeon VII on launch day quite easily, although I did cancel the latter after I read the reviews. As AMD have such low market share I'm hoping availability will hold up on launch date but I guess we'll see.


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AMD hasn't exactly sold their cards cheap if I remember correctly, even though they were not close on performance. And the fact that there is such High demand right now for video cards it would be stupid for the share holders if they sell it more then $50 lower then Nvidia. And I'm not even sure they are going to do that since it looks like they are competitive. I believe Billy is going to keep his record of 100 percent wrong on price for 2020
I think it probably comes down to yields. For example, if TSMC is turning out tons of dies that match the 3080, but too many to all be sold at $700, then AMD may price them lower.

Otherwise I don't see why they'd aggressively undercut them. However, since they have less mindshare I think they do have to price a little bit lower, similar to how the Radeon 5700 and 5700 XT are priced a little bit better than the 2060 Super and 2070 Super.
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It doesn't matter right now, Video Cards are flying off the shelf, It would honestly be dumb to price it more then $50 lower then a 3080 and in all honesty I think they can get away with pricing it the same right now. Now the 6900XT or whatever they call it is where they can undercut a 3090 by alot and I would bet on that one being $999 as that is where the 3090 should be priced.
I'm kind of hoping they do have something that matches the 3090 to force a price cut. 3090 shouldn't have been more than $1200 maximum IMO. I might even have bit for that price, but not for $1500.
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Have to remember that Samsung was much cheaper than TSMC, part of the reason NV moved over there. I think prices might be a bit higher than most are expecting. TSMC ain't cheap! You pay for what you get.
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Have to remember that Samsung was much cheaper than TSMC, part of the reason NV moved over there. I think prices might be a bit higher than most are expecting. TSMC ain't cheap! You pay for what you get.
Yes but AMD is also going to be around ~505mm^2 vs 628mm^2 so a smaller die with a lower failure rate could help make up the cost difference.
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Being cheaper per wafer doesnt mean nvidia is spending less if the yields ended up much worse. I wouldnt be surprised if per die there wasnt that big a price diff. Story is even the 3070 will have limited stock.

Samsung cant sell too cheap at some point they dont make money.
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It doesnt get any faker. No source and no idea who that channel is... Look at TPU or HU extensive tests and there is no way that many games are even steven between the 2 gpus.

Its just never happened.
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I would be interested in seeing how much it cost, but I'd venture it's still costing more for AMD to use TSMC than NV with Samsung. Could also be a reason that AMD is sticking with GDDR6 (which I agree with) instead of pushing the much more expensive HBM, or even trying to get in on the GDDR6X chips.
should but not with the Samsung yields they say they are getting on the 3000's
now the scuttlebutt is the 3070 stock will be gone in seconds also

Samsung yields of usable chips must be like 10% to 20% for 3070 and above

if AMD's TSMC's yields are good and they should be on 7nm they could be paying less per chip


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Isn't that the same benchmark from earlier just rebranded by TweakTown? Lol.

Either way, AMD has always scored very good in Firestrike. The Timespy results, if that's the 6800XT, are a little low imo.
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