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Old Jul 6, 2020, 07:17 AM   #3421
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/06/asia/...scn/index.html

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Authorities in the Chinese region of Inner Mongolia are on high alert after a suspected case of bubonic plague, the disease that caused the Black Death pandemic, was reported Sunday.
So in less then 10 months:

1.) COVID 19
2.) H1N1 v2 ( https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/30/asia/...scn/index.html )
3.) Bubonic Plague
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Old Jul 6, 2020, 02:12 PM   #3422
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So in less then 10 months:

1.) COVID 19
2.) H1N1 v2 ( https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/30/asia/...scn/index.html )
3.) Bubonic Plague
2020 needs to chill the f out already!
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Old Jul 6, 2020, 03:14 PM   #3423
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So we had our first and second family gatherings over the past two weekends since this all started. Celebrating everyone's birthdays we've missed out on over the past 4 months, and the 4th of July. Outdoor gatherings only in large backyard, located up in less hard hit NH, social distancing, face masks on if we need to go in the house, frequent hand sanitizing.

It was nice to finally see my family in person again, and being in MA which was a top 5 hardest hit state I'm very thankful no one in my family got sick up to this point. What concerns me now is the other parts of the country that are spiking right now due to the wave finally hitting them, and hoping it doesn't come back up to the Northeast. MA has a mandate that anyone coming here from other areas of the country other than the Northeast need to quarantine for two weeks but I dont know how many people really take that seriously. I want to hope up here we've gone through the worst of it and are on the downward trend and its not going to get bad again but who knows. Some of those southern states are seeing massive daily cases worse than what we had.
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Old Jul 6, 2020, 03:37 PM   #3424
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Inside the body, the coronavirus is even more sinister than scientists had realized



More in the link, with some interesting pictures of the filopodia.
I was thinking about this today. Zombie cell growing spikes and bonding to new cells which turn into zombie cells which grow spikes...

This should explain the blood clots that are killing younger people.
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Old Jul 6, 2020, 05:54 PM   #3425
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Unfortunately a lot of people are seriously in denial. Someone on Reddit responded to one of my comments by pointing out that "deaths in the U.S. are lower than they've been since March". I didn't even bother replying to them.

If the hospitals in FL/TX/AZ start to get overloaded, which right now seems like they are on course to do and I don't see much evidence of them changing course, then I'm pretty sure the death numbers are not going to be looking that good a month or so from now.

The other thing is focusing just on deaths is kind of downplaying the severity. If you end up in the hospital at all, let alone end up on a respirator, that's pretty damn bad. Even if you survive it, it's not like that is some minor thing to have to go through, or which you just bounce back from overnight. And that's ignoring that we have no idea about potential long term damage from COVID.
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Old Jul 6, 2020, 06:01 PM   #3426
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/06/asia/...scn/index.html



So in less then 10 months:

1.) COVID 19
2.) H1N1 v2 ( https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/30/asia/...scn/index.html )
3.) Bubonic Plague
Bubonic plague still breaks out every so often, so I wouldn't worry too much about that. I guess on the H1N1 front at least with COVID we have a bit of a trial run of what to do.
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Old Jul 6, 2020, 07:38 PM   #3427
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Unfortunately a lot of people are seriously in denial. Someone on Reddit responded to one of my comments by pointing out that "deaths in the U.S. are lower than they've been since March". I didn't even bother replying to them.

If the hospitals in FL/TX/AZ start to get overloaded, which right now seems like they are on course to do and I don't see much evidence of them changing course, then I'm pretty sure the death numbers are not going to be looking that good a month or so from now.

The other thing is focusing just on deaths is kind of downplaying the severity. If you end up in the hospital at all, let alone end up on a respirator, that's pretty damn bad. Even if you survive it, it's not like that is some minor thing to have to go through, or which you just bounce back from overnight. And that's ignoring that we have no idea about potential long term damage from COVID.
We had a local case of a 37 year old man that spent 2 months in the hospital. He was on a respirator. They had to completely recycle all of the blood in his system 3 times to remove CO2. He lost 40 pounds and cannot even hold a pencil and write with it right now. Luckily, he is on his feet and recovering. But, his life will be changed forever. It was nice to see he finally got re-united with his entire family on July 4th. They hadn't seen him since May the 5th.
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...azil-1.4297784

Bolsonaro experiencing Covid-19 symptoms, says CNN Brazil

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Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro has Covid-19 symptoms, including a 38 degree fever, according to CNN Brazil. The controversial right-wing leader, who has been criticised over his handling of the pandemic in Brazil, has said he is taking hydroxychloroquine.

Results from Mr Bolsonaro’s Covid-19 test, administered at the Hospital das Forças Armadas in Brasília, are expected on Tuesday.

Mr Bolsonaro told supporters outside the presidential palace that he had just visited the hospital and been tested for the virus, adding that an exam had shown his lungs “clean”.
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Old Jul 6, 2020, 10:34 PM   #3429
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News says protests in the dark of night with all those people next to each other caused no spike. People on a sunny beach in the day did. Both are stupid, but please stop with the bullshit MSM.
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Old Jul 6, 2020, 10:43 PM   #3430
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News says protests in the dark of night with all those people next to each other caused no spike. People on a sunny beach in the day did. Both are stupid, but please stop with the bullshit MSM.
Links???

The latest I have read said scientists are blaming indoor gatherings such as bars, restaurants, and home gatherings for accelerating the spread. Indoor events where people aren't wearing masks is a real danger. I've heard outdoor events where you wear a mask and social distance is far less risky. The key is having a mask on and keeping distance indoors. That's not to say that outdoor activities like protests and beach going will always be safe. People need to respect distance and wear masks. If they don't those events should close down too. But, it is possible to do the right thing in these outdoor activities. Eating and drinking in crowded indoor places where no one has a mask on is asking for trouble.
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Old Jul 7, 2020, 12:56 AM   #3432
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Unfortunately a lot of people are seriously in denial. Someone on Reddit responded to one of my comments by pointing out that "deaths in the U.S. are lower than they've been since March". I didn't even bother replying to them.

If the hospitals in FL/TX/AZ start to get overloaded, which right now seems like they are on course to do and I don't see much evidence of them changing course, then I'm pretty sure the death numbers are not going to be looking that good a month or so from now.
It won't matter to the people in denial.

A few weeks ago, those people were saying 'who cares about how many people are testing positive, what matters is hospitilizations!'.

Now that the hospitals are starting to fill up in FL/TX/AZ, they've started saying 'who cares about the hospitalizations, the death rate is dropping. See, I told you it's just the flu!'

If deaths go up in a few weeks, I'm confident their message will go back to the old reliable 'the numbers are being manipulated, these people aren't dying OF corona, they are dying WITH corona.'

And all the time in between they'll scoff at any recommendations like wearing masks because the scientists 'keep moving the goal posts'.
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It won't matter to the people in denial.

A few weeks ago, those people were saying 'who cares about how many people are testing positive, what matters is hospitilizations!'.

Now that the hospitals are starting to fill up in FL/TX/AZ, they've started saying 'who cares about the hospitalizations, the death rate is dropping. See, I told you it's just the flu!'

If deaths go up in a few weeks, I'm confident their message will go back to the old reliable 'the numbers are being manipulated, these people aren't dying OF corona, they are dying WITH corona.'

And all the time in between they'll scoff at any recommendations like wearing masks because the scientists 'keep moving the goal posts'.
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Old Jul 7, 2020, 03:02 AM   #3434
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If deaths go up in a few weeks, I'm confident their message will go back to the old reliable 'the numbers are being manipulated, these people aren't dying OF corona, they are dying WITH corona.'
Yep they'll fall back on that. It's quite sad to see how a small portion of the community acts to the virus. Social media is a huge driving force for these people. I have to wonder if it were more deadly (3x), maybe 99% would take it seriously.
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It won't matter to the people in denial.

A few weeks ago, those people were saying 'who cares about how many people are testing positive, what matters is hospitilizations!'.

Now that the hospitals are starting to fill up in FL/TX/AZ, they've started saying 'who cares about the hospitalizations, the death rate is dropping. See, I told you it's just the flu!'

If deaths go up in a few weeks, I'm confident their message will go back to the old reliable 'the numbers are being manipulated, these people aren't dying OF corona, they are dying WITH corona.'

And all the time in between they'll scoff at any recommendations like wearing masks because the scientists 'keep moving the goal posts'.
It's that old conservative adage of "there's nothing wrong until it happens to me or my family."
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Old Jul 7, 2020, 08:18 AM   #3436
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It's that old conservative adage of "there's nothing wrong until it happens to me or my family."
That's certainly not unique to conservatives. But we digress. This isn't the P&R version.

The good news for the US is deaths are still trending downward. Historically, new COVID deaths lagged 7 - 10 days behind new cases.

Reason for the decline may be because nursing homes are taking the virus more seriously as are elderly people in general. Nursing home deaths account for over 40% of the running total.



https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-us-cases.html
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That's certainly not unique to conservatives. But we digress. This isn't the P&R version.

The good news for the US is deaths are still trending downward. Historically, new COVID deaths lagged 7 - 10 days behind new cases.

Reason for the decline may be because nursing homes are taking the virus more seriously as are elderly people in general. Nursing home deaths account for over 40% of the running total.



https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-us-cases.html
Watch for when hospitals start getting overrun again, then the deaths spikes will follow.
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That's certainly not unique to conservatives. But we digress. This isn't the P&R version.

The good news for the US is deaths are still trending downward. Historically, new COVID deaths lagged 7 - 10 days behind new cases.
Try 4-6 weeks after the initial infection. Not 7-10 days.

Most people after two weeks with the infection either get on the mend or take a turn for the worst. Those folks head to the hospital and the average is 2-3 weeks in ICU until they expire. So the Republican talking point of the week, of "Wow at least the death numbers are down, and that's good" is nothing but horseshit.

It's like saying "Well, now that the lava is done wiping out that section of town, at least deaths are now low", then turning around and seeing the volcano rumble, smoke and shake.

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Reason for the decline may be because nursing homes are taking the virus more seriously as are elderly people in general. Nursing home deaths account for over 40% of the running total.

I also think it's because the US has gotten better at detecting and treating those who contract it as opposed to a few months ago. Unfortunately, those who contracted it in the early stages had it the worse since no one knew what to do for treatment. They at least now know what "not" to do and I believe that is also helping the death rate to go down even though the infection rate is continuing to rise.
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People are hoarding Pepcid now. Apparently some idiot got word out that it supposedly helps reduce the chance of getting covid, now the antacids are disappearing. Ugh, I HATE PEOPLE.
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Watch for when hospitals start getting overrun again, then the deaths spikes will follow.
or...theres just less old people now that will die.......


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Try 4-6 weeks after the initial infection. Not 7-10 days.
The two graphs juxtaposed present the story that I told. I said nothing about someone dying within 7 - 10 days after initial infection.
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The two graphs juxtaposed present the story that I told. I said nothing about someone dying within 7 - 10 days after initial infection.
It would be much better if the death rate was graphed based on the date the disease was detected not the date of death. The amount of time from detection to passing can vary greatly. So, it's hard to tell if we really are getting better at treating of not. Plus, we need at least 4 - 6 weeks from the date the virus is detected for the data to stabilize. (i.e. everyone that contracted the virus on that date either recovers or dies). So, it really is too early to make such assertions.

PS. This whole line of thinking is getting really morbid. Death rates are a trailing indicator. They are only good at informing after the fact. This problem can only be solved by proactive action. We should be talking about how to make testing and contact tracing more effective instead.
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Old Jul 7, 2020, 01:51 PM   #3445
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It won't matter to the people in denial.

A few weeks ago, those people were saying 'who cares about how many people are testing positive, what matters is hospitilizations!'.

Now that the hospitals are starting to fill up in FL/TX/AZ, they've started saying 'who cares about the hospitalizations, the death rate is dropping. See, I told you it's just the flu!'

If deaths go up in a few weeks, I'm confident their message will go back to the old reliable 'the numbers are being manipulated, these people aren't dying OF corona, they are dying WITH corona.'

And all the time in between they'll scoff at any recommendations like wearing masks because the scientists 'keep moving the goal posts'.
It is starting....

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Florida hospital ICUs near Miami, Orlando and Tampa have hit capacity

In Florida, 43 hospital ICU’s in 21 counties have hit capacity and show zero ICU beds available, according to data released by the Agency for Health Care Administration (AHCA). This includes hospitals in the following counties:
Miami-Dade (which includes the city of Miami)
Broward (which includes Fort Lauderdale)
Hillsborough (which includes Tampa)
Orange (which includes Orlando)
Another 32 hospitals show ICU bed availability of 10% or less, per the AHCA data.
In addition, 14 hospitals have hit capacity of non-ICU hospital beds and another 54 hospitals have 10% or less non-ICU hospital beds available.
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/...9295ea95f5afcc
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Here is a look at how scientists’ understanding of the virus has evolved in the six months since its discovery.
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Well, when you have a bunch of dipsh*ts not social distancing or wearing masks this is what you get. It's sad, and I don't want to see people die, but I'm not shocked. The cavalier attitude towards this pandemic is unreal.
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WHO acknowledges 'emerging evidence' of airborne spread of COVID-19

The agency said it will release a scientific brief on all modes of transmission in the coming days.
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Well, when you have a bunch of dipsh*ts not social distancing or wearing masks this is what you get. It's sad, and I don't want to see people die, but I'm not shocked. The cavalier attitude towards this pandemic is unreal.
every time i go into a store and see the wear mask sign i think of this

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WHO acknowledges 'emerging evidence' of airborne spread of COVID-19

The agency said it will release a scientific brief on all modes of transmission in the coming days.
The fact that people can spread it without exhibiting any symptoms is enough evidence to prove that it's airborne. GJ WHO.... Way to Captain Obvious the hell out of this.
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