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Old Jun 21, 2011, 02:16 AM   #211
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Old Jun 21, 2011, 06:42 AM   #212
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Couple of 6870's with a baby OC (960/1160) P8711.

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Yup, sounds about right. With everyday clocks I get 87-8800 with a pair of 6870's and a 2600k. With heavy overclocking I can break 9 grand.
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Old Jun 21, 2011, 09:23 AM   #213
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My 6870s are poor overclockers unfortunatly. Could only squeeze 945 core and 1150 memory out of them. Which is way below others. Oh well.
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Old Jun 21, 2011, 09:37 AM   #214
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Mine go to around 980/1180, but that doesn't affect performance all that much. What really cranks my 3dmark score up is when I increase the overclock on my CPU.
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What is the right score for the rig in my sidebar. It is clocked at 4 GHz and 6950 is operating as a 6970 and I got about 5675 or something score. Is that correct?
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What is the right score for the rig in my sidebar. It is clocked at 4 GHz and 6950 is operating as a 6970 and I got about 5675 or something score. Is that correct?
Yup, sounds about right. That's a nice score .
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Yup, sounds about right. That's a nice score .
Thanks. Hit P5722 w/ CPU at 4.5 GHz.
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What is your Gpu clocked at? I hit 6300 with GPU @950 and 4.6 on the CPU
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Old Jul 12, 2011, 05:19 AM   #219
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What is your Gpu clocked at? I hit 6300 with GPU @950 and 4.6 on the CPU
Vanilla 6970 speeds. I have a ton of background programs running like AV, Steam, Sound manager, MSN etc. Do these degrade performance?
Also my memory is running at some random speeds that I am not sure about like 9 9 9 27 or something (or is it 5 5 5 27) @ 1600 Mhz
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At 880 default clocks that would more than likely be the difference. Bump the clocks a bit and you'll break 6K.

I doubt background apps would have any noticeable impact with these procs. I would bet your ram is running 999. I dont think Ive seen a set of ddr3 ram that can pull off 555. Mine is running 777 21. Not sure how much of a difference that would make.
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I see. Will do that. Also I think you are right they are running at default and I just looked up the specs; they are running at 9 9 9 27. Will pulling the timings down help with anything? I seriously doubt.
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RAM timings will gain you a lot of points, I gained over 1000 points going from 1600MHz 9-9-9-24 to 6-7-6-18. I was around 16k and got it up to 17.5k.

Give your CPU and GPU a boost and drop the RAM timings and you will break 6k np.
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Will have to see if the timings remain stable but worth a shot I guess.
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With my GFX card maxed out in Overdrive to 950/1450 and CPU clocked at 4.5 GHz I am pumping P6103 marks.

Broke 6K bitches. You were right demowhc. No change in memory timings just yet.
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More stable.

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Here are my benchmarks.

http://3dmark.com/3dm11/1560058 10K 3DMark 11

http://3dmark.com/3dmv/3341077 30k 3Dmark vantage

My CPU stepping is very weak and does not oc very well its only barely stable @4ghz with 1.5v going through @57c so its not a 24/7 OC.

3.8Ghz is my 24/7 OC on 1.41v voltage. strange cpu
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More stable.
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Graphics: 5712
Physics: 7385

This is with an EVGA 570 SC @ 850-1700-2000 using the 270.61 driver.

EDIT: Results with 280.19 driver

Graphics: 6263
Physics: 7449

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Vantage score is stupid high, P29477
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Graphics: 5712
Physics: 7385

This is with an EVGA 570 SC @ 850-1700-2000 using the 270.61 driver.

EDIT: Results with 280.19 driver

Graphics: 6263
Physics: 7449

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Vantage score is stupid high, P29477
Score: P6430
It is clear that nV is cheating in the new driver.
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P5185 switching to cat11.8 Allowing to clock at 1000 core and 1450x4=5800 memory
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/1699564




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Same setup, memory timing changed to 9 9 9 24 30 @ 760Mhz
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is that at max overclocks ?? about 3k higher then my dual 7970's get
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Yes it is at max clocks with CPU at 4.5 Ghz. I get about 19724 with CPU at 4.8 Ghz.
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New rig all around except video card - almost 40% faster with the same 7850, though a slightly higher gpu clock this time

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