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Old Jun 9, 2007, 07:56 AM   #1
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ATI Technologies Radeon 2900XTX is launching at Computex (1gb/GDDR4)

So says the boys at the Inq.

http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40170


Intresting? Considering a retail Canadian outlet may have broke the NDA, and also considering that Nvidia is crushing down their prices on their Ultra and GTX. Sign of things to come?
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Old Jun 9, 2007, 08:03 AM   #2
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Also from the boys at the Inq, they say that their will also be 512mb XT's with GDDR4.

http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40160
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This puts the price of the XTX around $550 if were to go off this.
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Morning Looks nice, tho i like the cheap price of the 2900XT. I hope these help drop the GDDR3 R600s.
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Morning Looks nice, tho i like the cheap price of the 2900XT. I hope these help drop the GDDR3 R600s.
I'll wait to guage how it looks till I see independent reviews. 8800GTXs are less than that, and we know they have better AF and better AA.

The benchmarks will tell the story.
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I'll wait to guage how it looks till I see independent reviews. 8800GTXs are less than that, and we know they have better AF and better AA.

The benchmarks will tell the story.
. AA and AF are almost identical, AF has a slight edge on the G80. 8xAA is even playable in most the titles i play, even in oblivion. So stop trolling.
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. AA and AF are almost identical, AF has a slight edge on the G80. 8xAA is even playable in most the titles i play, even in oblivion. So stop trolling.
seems like a nice card at the pricepoint.
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. AA and AF are almost identical, AF has a slight edge on the G80. 8xAA is even playable in most the titles i play, even in oblivion. So stop trolling.
Glad to see you can see Jethro ( aka - nV Salesman ) for what he is. +1
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. AA and AF are almost identical, AF has a slight edge on the G80. 8xAA is even playable in most the titles i play, even in oblivion. So stop trolling.

Thats not really trolling, the xtx 1 gig of mem (which at this point for the 2900's doesn't make a whole lot of sense since it won't really come into play) and 150 bucks more then a gtx for the same performance, while using more power? Yes the xtx will use more power, although it uses GDDR4 memory its got 512 mb more, that will cause it to use around the same or more power then the xt and with the increased clock speeds of the core will use more power because of that.

AA isn't identical, the x2900's have nothing against the higher CSAA modes, or 16Q. And as you said AF isn't indentical either, the g80 has the IQ crown, unless you really like the blurtasking CFAA modes of the 2900.
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Contrast that with the GT300 approach. There is no dedicated tesselator, and if you use that DX11 feature, it will take large amounts of shader time, used inefficiently as is the case with general purpose hardware. You will then need the same shaders again to render the triangles. 250K to 1 Million triangles on the GT300 should be notably slower than straight 1 Million triangles.
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Thats not really trolling, the xtx 1 gig of mem (which at this point for the 2900's doesn't make a whole lot of sense since it won't really come into play) and 150 bucks more then a gtx for the same performance, while using more power? Yes the xtx will use more power, although it uses GDDR4 memory its got 512 mb more, that will cause it to use around the same or more power then the xt and with the increased clock speeds of the core will use more power because of that.

AA isn't identical, the x2900's have nothing against the higher CSAA modes, or 16Q. And as you said AF isn't indentical either, the g80 has the IQ crown, unless you really like the blurtasking CFAA modes of the 2900.
He is spreading fud! And CSAA isnt better then 8xQ, and 16xQ isnt really playable (1600+). Also ATis 8xMSAA (BOX) and nv's 8xQ are the same, both are MSAA. AF is hard to notice between the 2, i already said the G80 has a slight edge. So it would be nice to see the nv PR team take a vacation from rage, because all i see is people S**ting on threads.
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He is spreading fud! And CSAA isnt better then 8xQ, and 16xQ isnt really playable (1600+). Also ATis 8xMSAA (BOX) and nv's 8xQ are the same, both are MSAA. AF is hard to notice between the 2, i already said the G80 has a slight edge. So it would be nice to see the nv PR team take a vacation from rage, because all i see is people S**ting on threads.

16q is playable in most games even at higher reses.

http://it-review.net/index.php?optio...=692&Itemid=91


if you don't know about something you should test out the g80 to really see how it really performs, Oblivion might be one of the few games where 16q will not be playable at very high res, but only if TAA is turned on along with 16 q. Not many review sites have tested the heighest modes and the performance of the g80 under those conditions so you really have to test the card out for yourself, or take the word of others who have.
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Contrast that with the GT300 approach. There is no dedicated tesselator, and if you use that DX11 feature, it will take large amounts of shader time, used inefficiently as is the case with general purpose hardware. You will then need the same shaders again to render the triangles. 250K to 1 Million triangles on the GT300 should be notably slower than straight 1 Million triangles.
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and you tell me I am in for a suprise? It is the FX; Late, hot, needing insane clock rates for its size. You have yet to show even one of my posts wrong.
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16q is playable in most games even at higher reses.

http://it-review.net/index.php?optio...=692&Itemid=91


if you don't know about something you should test out the g80 to really see how it really performs, Oblivion might be one of the few games where 16q will not be playable at very high res, but only if TAA is turned on along with 16 q. Not many review sites have tested the heighest modes and the performance of the g80 under those conditions so you really have to test the card out for yourself, or take the word of others who have.
Funny how people can say the same thing about the R600. And no 16xQ AA isnt playable in FEAR, or oblivion, DIRT, STALKER, ect @ 1600+. You gunna point me to a site that shows playable BF2 and Farcry. Those Oblivion benchies ARNT in foliage, and even quake 4 is pushing it. Sorry isnt playable with one card.

ANd please lets get back on F*en topic.
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then you find me a site that benchmarks those, or get me benchmarks on the the g80 with those settings we are talking about. Prove Jethro and I am wrong.

Fear was in that benchmark btw. So you are lieing your ass off and trying to defend something and making someone else look bad for telling you the truth. Come on Steve you know better then that.
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Contrast that with the GT300 approach. There is no dedicated tesselator, and if you use that DX11 feature, it will take large amounts of shader time, used inefficiently as is the case with general purpose hardware. You will then need the same shaders again to render the triangles. 250K to 1 Million triangles on the GT300 should be notably slower than straight 1 Million triangles.
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then you find me a site that benchmarks those, or get me benchmarks on the the g80 with those settings we are talking about. Prove Jethro and I am wrong.

Fear was in that benchmark btw. So you are lieing your ass off and trying to defend something and making someone else look bad for telling you the truth. Come on Steve you know better then that.


Call 33FPS playable. And Oblivion Foliage you guys can run 16xAA.
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33 average is playable, its when you go under 30 it gets a bit tough, and those are older drivers, the g80s have 10% performance gain with the latest drivers.

As I said Oblivion is one of the few games that it will struggle at the heighest AA settings. If you want I can run a small review for you, just to prove my point? Or do you want to get your head out of the sand before I help you get it out of the sand?
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33 average is playable, its when you go under 30 it gets a bit tough, and those are older drivers, the g80s have 10% performance gain with the latest drivers.

As I said Oblivion is one of the few games that it will struggle at the heighest AA settings.
50-70fps is playable, i dont buy a highend card to run 33fps average sorry, and oblivion is different, it still rapes systems today.
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50-70fps is playable, i dont buy a highend card to run 33fps average sorry, and oblivion is different, it still rapes systems today.
Have you play on your X360 with some games? Those some of games are cap 30 FPS but with steady well. It could be act like 60 FPS. But if below of 30 FPS then it's crap slutter lag as hell. I dont know why you still not satisfy with 33 FPS avg. Tell me, Steve...

EDIT: If you really wants more than 33 FPS avg then wait for newer driver.

EDIT2: I guess...I'd changed my mind. I think 33 fps avg is not even enough candy eyes. LOL
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Before another thread is destroyed by nVidiots who spread the benefits of the 8800GTX, we should get back on topic.
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Yeah, let's stay on topic, please!
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We shall see when benchies and better drivers come. But funny how my card compares to a GTX in COJ, the first good looking DX10 game. You and a few others need to take a break and visit nvnews for a while, the FUD you guys spread is amazing. You do troll alot, it would be nice to hear something other then how big your e-penis is. I bet you would fit right in @ nvnews, or are you already on that site.

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Looks to be a nice card for $500, i wouldnt pay any more for this card. And with future drivers it should compete against the GTX well, we have to sit and wait to see what the ATi driver team comes up with.
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50-70fps is playable, i dont buy a highend card to run 33fps average sorry, and oblivion is different, it still rapes systems today.

Well does it matter, as long as a game is over 30 FPS it won't lag period!

Back on topic for $600+ the XTX is not worth the money, when you can get a GTX for $500-$550. Unless the XTX is around $500 then it will be worth it well no it has to be less then the GTX because of the power usage so $450.
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Contrast that with the GT300 approach. There is no dedicated tesselator, and if you use that DX11 feature, it will take large amounts of shader time, used inefficiently as is the case with general purpose hardware. You will then need the same shaders again to render the triangles. 250K to 1 Million triangles on the GT300 should be notably slower than straight 1 Million triangles.
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and you tell me I am in for a suprise? It is the FX; Late, hot, needing insane clock rates for its size. You have yet to show even one of my posts wrong.

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http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=5049

might have to be lower then $450...
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Contrast that with the GT300 approach. There is no dedicated tesselator, and if you use that DX11 feature, it will take large amounts of shader time, used inefficiently as is the case with general purpose hardware. You will then need the same shaders again to render the triangles. 250K to 1 Million triangles on the GT300 should be notably slower than straight 1 Million triangles.
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and you tell me I am in for a suprise? It is the FX; Late, hot, needing insane clock rates for its size. You have yet to show even one of my posts wrong.
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@ JethroBodine

In case you forgot this section of the forum is for discussing Radeon card rumours, not for discussing Nvidia cards. Theres an entire section for none AMD graphics card discussions.

http://www.rage3d.com/board/forumdisplay.php?f=65

Same goes for anyone else too.
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Funny how these days it's the "NVIDIOTS" calmly telling the truth around here and the ATi fans in some sort of strange, frantic denial......
Which truth ?

You come to this thread and tell people to buy an nVidia card, even if you don't know how the xtx 1gb performs.

You're making assumptions about a product that wasn't released yet, and you tell people to make a buying decision based on that.

Sure, that's the truth.
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Which truth ?

You come to this thread and tell people to buy an nVidia card, even if you don't know how the xtx 1gb performs.

You're making assumptions about a product that wasn't released yet, and you tell people to make a buying decision based on that.

Sure, that's the truth.

Assumption or not its his opinion, and it has validity behind it. Unless there was a respin to the r600 on the XTX version that will take care of its problems (which there won't be), its not going to be that much faster then what we see in the XT. And it would be nice to have the mods give warnings to the people that love to call out others by names, hmm thought the rules of the forums were no name calling, guess they are being lenient with people like you Jam. So far I've seen none of you offer any truth behind anything. So please stop the name calling, and get some facts or assumptions based on facts.
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and you tell me I am in for a suprise? It is the FX; Late, hot, needing insane clock rates for its size. You have yet to show even one of my posts wrong.
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Thank god an admin has spoken ...
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even I stopped posting at ATi related forums and nobody realized that.
General graphics, General hardware ..... all general forums for me from now on until I go back to ATi.
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Time will tell I guess, I won't be among the folks dropping six bills on this infamous card.
Shocking revelation from someone who gets his cards for free from nvidia....
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Shocking revelation from someone who gets his cards for free from nvidia....
I bet I've still purchased more ATi cards than you.

Here's my list:

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Not like I've been avoiding ATi cards, is it?
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