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With RT or not. I really don't care about RT. I just want to see AMD to delivers a high-end GPU model.
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AMD To Introduce 2nd Generation rDNA Based Navi GPU Powered Radeon RX Lineup at CES 2020 With Ray Tracing & More
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It should also be pointed out that high-end Navi GPUs might retain High-Bandwidth memory design like the current flagship. While AMD is featuring GDDR6 memory on their mainstream RDNA based cards, it is likely that the company would go ahead with the newer HBM2E VRAM.

The HBM2E DRAM comes in 8-Hi stack configuration and utilizes 16 Gb memory dies, stacked together and clocked at 3.2 Gbps. This would result in a total bandwidth of 410 GB/s on a single and 920 GB/s with two HBM2E stacks which is just insane. To top it all, the DRAM has a 1024-bit wide bus interface which is the same as current HBM2 DRAM. Samsung says that their HBM2E solution, when stacked in 4-way configuration, can offer up to 64 GB memory at 1.64 TB/s of bandwidth. Such products would only be suitable for servers/HPC workloads but a high-end graphics product for enthusiasts can feature up to 32 GB memory with just two stacks which is twice as much memory as the Radeon VII.


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I've been using a GTX1080 for the past 3 years. This has been my first and only nvidia card in my main gaming computer, I want to return to AMD and was looking into getting an Asus ROG Strix OC RX5700 XT for $570 here in Peru.

I only play at 4K and I still can't decide if its a good choice to change cards at this point consider what's coming, however, this is the eternal discussion, buy or wait.

What do you think? get one now or wait 9 months for the new cards to be available here?
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I've been using a GTX1080 for the past 3 years. This has been my first and only nvidia card in my main gaming computer, I want to return to AMD and was looking into getting an Asus ROG Strix OC RX5700 XT for $570 here in Peru.

I only play at 4K and I still can't decide if its a good choice to change cards at this point consider what's coming, however, this is the eternal discussion, buy or wait.

What do you think? get one now or wait 9 months for the new cards to be available here?
I'm in the same boat(running 1080 for years).
Thinking the RX5700 XT would be a ~15% FPS increase. Not worth it to me.
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I also think you should wait. The 5700 XT doesn't offer that much performance uplift over the 1080. The next version of Navi should. It also provides more time for the driver issues on the new hardware to be worked out.
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From all the reviews, it does provide 15% increase overall, not bad in my opinion. I "upgraded" from a CFX 290X setup to the 1080 and the performance increase was close to 0, basically I just migrated to not have to use multigpu due to some issues I was having back then.

Another thing to consider is the price, I can't imagine the new cards being cheaper than $700, that translates to around $850 here
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IMO if you wanted to upgrade to something worthwhile, i'd say skip a generation and then look at the product that is in the same segment as your current GPU.

Drawback is obviously you gotta wait a bit.

Otherwise you'll end up with a small performance increase, or a cheaper lower segment GPU that has caught up performance wise to what you currently have.
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From all the reviews, it does provide 15% increase overall, not bad in my opinion. I "upgraded" from a CFX 290X setup to the 1080 and the performance increase was close to 0, basically I just migrated to not have to use multigpu due to some issues I was having back then.

Another thing to consider is the price, I can't imagine the new cards being cheaper than $700, that translates to around $850 here
Ya but you have to think there might be some competition to drive down prices next year. Intel is coming out with its discrete gpus and the 7nm node will get more affordable.

My bet is navi 20 next summer with a good 50% bump in perf over what you have wont be that much more expensive than the 5700 was at release.
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I think I will just go with the 5700XT for now, next year, if the prices are right, I will get the new card.

PD: My wife just approved the transaction
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I just found a deal for a Radeon VII for around $130 more. The 5700XT I wanted is no longer available in Peru (sold out) but can get the Radeon VII from Amazon for around $700 delivered to my door in 2-3 days (including taxes)

Damn, it was much easier to buy video cards in the past

EDIT: found the Radeon VII today for $499 in Amazon, almost the same price as the 5700XT I was checking. The card delivered to my house is a total of $630 (including import taxes). I'm happy, it will last me all next year for sure!
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So now that the 5500 is out, and is somewhat underwhelming....I do have a question.

AT this time the 5500's seems a bit overpriced. With that said, I do have an opportunity to acquire an 8GB Vega56 for about the same price as a 5500 XT.

I know its an older arch but it does appear that the Vega56 is a higher end part and does take on 1660 quite well most of the time.

And yes I amalso aware of how bad my computer will bottleneck the thing (I do plan to upgrade everything, but I plan to do this piece by piece rather than all at once)

But my question comes down to, is it worth it at this time to go for a Vega56 over a 5500XT, or would waiting a bit and get say a 5600/5700 in the future be a better option.
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Everything is overpriced in gpus right now Id wait for CES in January and even next summer to see if intel joins the fray to put in some more competition. Mind you I bought my vega 64 for a decent price this time last year so you could wait to see if there are any killer deals out this holiday season on ebay or some other...
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I'm still gaming at 1080 so I thought the 5500XT would be a perfect fit. The price isn't terrible, but I would have liked to see less expensive. The problem is the drivers don't seem like they're there yet for Navi, especially on Linux. I have a gift card from a price match at Newegg that was going to expire next week.

So I picked up the XFX RX570 at Newegg. It's $99 after rebate and the coupon code. With my $10 gift card, that's like $95 after taxes. That's a tough price to beat, even if the Navi card was tempting. And cheap enough that I won't feel like I wasted money if I want to replace it with a Navi card in a year or two.
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Already hearing bad things about the Intel GPU'S stating they will not be competing with AMD and Nvidia, Its bad news all around for Intel these days.
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I'm still gaming at 1080 so I thought the 5500XT would be a perfect fit. The price isn't terrible, but I would have liked to see less expensive. The problem is the drivers don't seem like they're there yet for Navi, especially on Linux. I have a gift card from a price match at Newegg that was going to expire next week.

So I picked up the XFX RX570 at Newegg. It's $99 after rebate and the coupon code. With my $10 gift card, that's like $95 after taxes. That's a tough price to beat, even if the Navi card was tempting. And cheap enough that I won't feel like I wasted money if I want to replace it with a Navi card in a year or two.
100$ for a 570 is a nice buy.

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So now that the 5500 is out, and is somewhat underwhelming....I do have a question.

AT this time the 5500's seems a bit overpriced. With that said, I do have an opportunity to acquire an 8GB Vega56 for about the same price as a 5500 XT.

I know its an older arch but it does appear that the Vega56 is a higher end part and does take on 1660 quite well most of the time.

And yes I amalso aware of how bad my computer will bottleneck the thing (I do plan to upgrade everything, but I plan to do this piece by piece rather than all at once)

But my question comes down to, is it worth it at this time to go for a Vega56 over a 5500XT, or would waiting a bit and get say a 5600/5700 in the future be a better option.
Vega can be a decent product provided you undervolt, although Vega 56 isn't as ridiculously overvolted as V64, so it's not as bad out of the box.

If you get a halfway decent card and undervolt it, you should be in striking distance of the 5700 with a Vega 56. So, it really depends on what price you're getting, and how much tinkering you're willing to do. Silicon lottery can also play some part, but it seems like almost all Vegas do better undervolted (it's one reason it's such a strange product, AMD just didn't seem to tune it very well).

I'd definitely take a Vega 56 over a 5500XT at the same price. 5500XT doesn't even seem better than RX580, whereas Vega is certainly a step up from that. Price/performance a used Vega 56 will probably be better than a 5600 or 5700, I think.

That being said, a 5700 can also be overclocked close to 5700XT speeds by using a soft powerplay table, so for Vega to make sense it has to cost less than the 5700, since best case scenario a Vega ends up being about equal to a 5700, whereas a 5700 can more or less equal a 5700XT/.

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Navi 21 will be a large GPU with new rumors pointing to it packing somewhere between 15-16 billion transistors, which makes it bigger than Vega 20 (13.2 billion) and Navi 10 (10.3 billion). But the bigger news here is that AMD's new flagship Navi 20-based graphics card would feature 12-16GB of GDDR6 memory on a much wider memory bus.The new rumors have AMD possibly using a wider 384-bit or 512-bit memory interface, something that would enable much more memory bandwidth with GDDR6 memory. Previous rumors suggested AMD would tap higher-end HBM2E memory, packing between 16-32GB of framebuffer.The new Navi 21 GPU will have hardware-based ray tracing, exactly the same as the Turing GPU from NVIDIA. We should see something in the first few months of 2020, but I would guess we'll see a mix of GDDR6 (on consumer cards) and HBM2/E on the server/datacenter solutions.
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GPU Die Size Navi 10 - 251mm2 Vega 20 - 331mm2 Navi 21 - 505mm2


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Navi 21 is rumored to be twice as fast as Navi 10 (5700 xt) which means it will be faster if true. Some of the articles say on par with the Nivdia's High end turing GPU's, but if you look up benchmarks with both the 5700 xt and the 2080ti in them, if you double the 5700 xt results, those numbers are about 20% faster than the 2080ti.

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/69543...-xt/index.html
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In terms of performance, the Navi 21 GPU is said to be at least twice as fast as the Navi 10 GPU. The Radeon RX 5700 XT is the best case for the Navi 10 GPU and it comes close to the GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER, so the Navi 21 GPU could exceed the RTX 2080 SUPER's performance and even end up coming close to the RTX 2080 Ti. This might explain why we were hearing rumors of NVIDIA's RTX 2080 Ti SUPER in the works.
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Navi 21 is rumored to be twice as fast as Navi 10 (5700 xt) which means it will be faster if true. Some of the articles say on par with the Nivdia's High end turing GPU's, but if you look up benchmarks with both the 5700 xt and the 2080ti in them, if you double the 5700 xt results, those numbers are about 20% faster than the 2080ti.

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https://hothardware.com/news/amd-rad...1-gddr6-rdna-2
https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-n...ie-size-rumor/
Unfortunately twice as fast as the 5700XT is rather non-descriptive. Twice as fast in what? There's no comparators in that article to make any judgements whatsoever it's just complete made up bull**it.
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Unfortunately twice as fast as the 5700XT is rather non-descriptive. Twice as fast in what? There's no comparators in that article to make any judgements whatsoever it's just complete made up bull**it.
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Unfortunately twice as fast as the 5700XT is rather non-descriptive. Twice as fast in what? There's no comparators in that article to make any judgements whatsoever it's just complete made up bull**it.
I don't know.. I took the term rumor as just that, a rumor. which means that if the rumor is true, it is twice as fast as the Navi 10, which is the 5700XT means if the 5700XT does 50 fps in a game, the Navi 21 will do 100 FPS.. unless I fail at math.. I mean, what kind of descriptive argument are you looking for in rumor?
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