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Old May 22, 2019, 03:53 PM   #61
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Over 50% faster than a TR 1950x?

Seems a bit much...
Agree. Don't think the prices will be that cheap either. When I O/C'd my 7700k to 5ghz on all cores it did actually zip for gaming performance as I was GPU limited. Might help if your CPU limited but that means you've got a crappy GPU and low resolution.
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Over 50% faster than a TR 1950x?

Seems a bit much...
That’s because it’s complete BS from wccftech
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no they got it from AdoredTV




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but we will know Monday
Who the hell is adoredTV..
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if 12 core 5ghz is true, then these things will sell like crazy. I'll wait for the official announcement before getting too excited though.

AMD hype train has failed me too many times in the past. Although their stock has not.
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12 core 5GHz? Intel going to dig their own graves.


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If those numbers hold sure but has cinebench ever translated to faster gaming on a similar basis? He doesnt speculate but sounds like we are looking at ~235 cine score on a single core for the 3k ryzen vs 215 on the 9900k when both are at 5ghz?
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If those numbers hold sure but has cinebench ever translated to faster gaming on a similar basis? He doesnt speculate but sounds like we are looking at ~235 cine score on a single core for the 3k ryzen vs 215 on the 9900k when both are at 5ghz?
if the 12 core 3700x is 4.2 and 5.0 stock boost even if on only 2 or 4 cores with a 10% IPC and it is under 350 USD intel is in for a world of pain
if it is all core boost intel is toast .


cinebench scores won't matter in games but is most likely why there isn't going to be a threadripper this time

but a 5.1 stock boost and 10% plus higher IPC and that DDR4 may go as high as 5000 will be a killer in games ( ryzen loves fast memory)



now the top end MB prices and that fast memory prices are going to hurt

400 to 500 USD I bet for the top Asus, Gigabyte and MSI Motherboards

4800 memory
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-...82E16820232824

dumb looking princess edition memory

so hopefully those zen 2 prices are close to real

https://wccftech.com/amd-zen-2-5ghz-...d-benchmarked/

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235 R15 single core at stock? If true I'm impressed. Sign me up

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I didn't really mean you in particular bill, just that people buying 2080ti's at these prices are enabling Nv. You're right, next gen won't be any cheaper.. thanks.

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I didn't really mean you in particular bill, just that people buying 2080ti's at these prices are enabling Nv. You're right, next gen won't be any cheaper.. thanks.

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can you trademark a number ?

I hope they tell Nvidia to **** off



two days before AMD announces navi they want to claim a number
the rx 3080 boxes may already be made

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Nvidia sort of brought this on themselves by skipping to 2080. It should have been 1180 and just sticking with the previous increase of 100 per generation. Either that or RTX should have started over at 100. The increase from 1080 to 2080 makes no numerical sense.
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can you trademark a number ?

I hope they tell Nvidia to **** off
Yeah, you can trademark a number.

But it doesn't give you an absolute right to using that number. Trademarks have to be associated with particular goods and services.

So, if Nvidia were to trademark the number 3080 for computer electronics, it wouldn't prevent someone else from using the trademark 3080 for food or clothing or something else.

But, if Nvidia gets the trademark 3080 for computer electronics, then AMD wouldn't be able to.

Also, you need to actually use the mark too. So Nvidia can't just trademark 3080 for the sole purpose of screwing over AMD. At some point they would have to sell a video card that uses the name 3080. So you can't really just squat on a mark indefinitely.
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AMD must have trademarked 3080 already.
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Yeah, you can trademark a number.

But it doesn't give you an absolute right to using that number. Trademarks have to be associated with particular goods and services.

So, if Nvidia were to trademark the number 3080 for computer electronics, it wouldn't prevent someone else from using the trademark 3080 for food or clothing or something else.

But, if Nvidia gets the trademark 3080 for computer electronics, then AMD wouldn't be able to.

Also, you need to actually use the mark too. So Nvidia can't just trademark 3080 for the sole purpose of screwing over AMD. At some point they would have to sell a video card that uses the name 3080. So you can't really just squat on a mark indefinitely.
well Nvidia's won't be a RX 3080 in a few days and any possible RTX 3080 will be about a year from now



and wouldn't AMD already have trademarked RX 3080 as they said so over 6 months ago

and why did NV file in the EU ?

maybe AMD filed in the USA already
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I see the latest leak is the supposed $99 Zen 2, 6 core bench marked slightly over the 2700x
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https://hothardware.com/news/amd-ryz...cpu-benchmarks




the 2700x was globalfoundries and zen 2 is tsmc isn't it ?





this maybe a lot of fun this round if the 329 price on the 3700x is right
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Im starting to wonder if intel is trolling amd with false leaks... nothing worse than hype that doesnt come to fruition. I mean who would want a 2700x when a 99$ cpu beats it?
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the 2700x was globalfoundries and zen 2 is tsmc isn't it ?





this maybe a lot of fun this round if the 329 price on the 3700x is right
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someone here from what he says

but it is more a tie


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if that was so you would think AMD would say something and put the breaks on any fake news

oh well about 21 hours now

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if all this is true and the price is right


Intel better have a killer GPU next year

as less and les want a Bubonic CPU
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Old May 26, 2019, 01:29 PM   #87
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someone here from what he says

but it is more a tie


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if that was so you would think AMD would say something and put the breaks on any fake news

oh well about 21 hours now



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Are you perchance mocking me my good fellows. Wouldn't buy a puny 6 core for $99. Seriously think about this. Why would AMD sell a $99 CPU that's as fast as a CPU they're still selling for $280? They might as well just throw the channel inventory in the bin.

Also remember the 12 and 16 core cpu's are replacing threadripper so you'd expect AMD to price at that level. The leaked prices for Navi mid-range are $399 and $499 so AMD aren't being stupid in GPU's so why would they price so low in CPU's? Makes no commercial sense. The hype train is on full throttle.
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Are you perchance mocking me my good fellows. Wouldn't buy a puny 6 core for $99. Seriously think about this. Why would AMD sell a $99 CPU that's as fast as a CPU they're still selling for $280? They might as well just throw the channel inventory in the bin.

Also remember the 12 and 16 core cpu's are replacing threadripper so you'd expect AMD to price at that level. The leaked prices for Navi mid-range are $399 and $499 so AMD aren't being stupid in GPU's so why would they price so low in CPU's? Makes no commercial sense. The hype train is on full throttle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubw5N8iVDHI




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#1 - market share is the reason for the lower prices
#2 - 7nm chiplet and the new io die design may make it cheaper



don't think we will get these prices


but I don't think the 3600x 8/16 will not be higher than the 2700x now

the higher chips who knows
the 2950X is 799 now and that is a high cost chip than a zen 2 will be
lots more pcie lanes and 4 change memory

but yes the 3850x maybe somewhere between 499 and 699 but cheaper than TR

I just hope like hell the tell us today

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Bill market share is not an indicator for profit. Look at Android and apple. Android has about 80+% market share but currently only one manufacturer is making a profit Samsung. The rest are losing millions. Apple on the other hand with just 20% market share are making billions. It's profit margin and not market share that makes a company money.

If AMD have a killer CPU that beats an Intel CPU costing $1,000 why would they sell it for less than say $950. All they need to do is slightly undercut their counterparts with better or equal performance and job's done. If they release a Ryzen 3 3300 6c/12t CPU for $99 that beats their previous best 8c/16t part they'll hemorrhage cash and bleed to death. They do say suicide is painless!
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Bill market share is not an indicator for profit. Look at Android and apple. Android has about 80+% market share but currently only one manufacturer is making a profit Samsung. The rest are losing millions. Apple on the other hand with just 20% market share are making billions. It's profit margin and not market share that makes a company money.

If AMD have a killer CPU that beats an Intel CPU costing $1,000 why would they sell it for less than say $950. All they need to do is slightly undercut their counterparts with better or equal performance and job's done. If they release a Ryzen 3 3300 6c/12t CPU for $99 that beats their previous best 8c/16t part they'll hemorrhage cash and bleed to death. They do say suicide is painless!
because no one will pay more for it than a 2950X at 799 or even as much as the top TR .
most that really need 16c/32t will want 4 channel memory .

better to sell millions of chips and only make 100 a pop profit than make 400 a pop profit and only sell thousands

RTX prices hurt NV sales badly


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and we don't know their costs on these .

they will make a profit I'm sure and not "hemorrhage cash"

but they may be able to do that at 499 to 699 for a 16c/32t

and they know a lot of people like KAC will need a lot of incentive to drop intel

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