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Old Jul 18, 2019, 06:56 PM   #121
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Guys I'm coming from a 3570k and can't decide between 3700x and 3900x.
I game, do some heavy Word/Excel stuff, and I do some light photo editing.

As I have to get whole new system except my GTX 1070 (old one is going to my son) price difference is not that huge and I think that extra cores/threads will help out in the long run. What do you guys think?
The best value is the 3700X, game performance between the 2 is minimal. Heavy workloads would be a different story as this is where the 3900X shines.
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Old Jul 18, 2019, 09:31 PM   #122
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Guys I'm coming from a 3570k and can't decide between 3700x and 3900x.
I game, do some heavy Word/Excel stuff, and I do some light photo editing.

As I have to get whole new system except my GTX 1070 (old one is going to my son) price difference is not that huge and I think that extra cores/threads will help out in the long run. What do you guys think?
I went from a 3570 to a 1700x two years ago and had a huge improvement; my 3700x should be here Monday and I'm expecting another improvement there. While graphs showing FPS may put the difference at not always that huge, the smoothness and quick response of tabbing in and out of games more than makes up for it.

No matter what you get you'll have a faster system. The new 3000 series ryzen, especially 3600, offer more cores and performance at outstanding value. A good 470 board, some 3200 to 3600 ram, and it is a good machine for only a couple hundred dollars which is insane. Intel side 8700k, 9600k, etc. would also give great performance at somewhat reasonable prices.

Either way you'll be happy, it just depends on your budget and other needs.
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Old Jul 18, 2019, 11:35 PM   #123
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Guys I'm coming from a 3570k and can't decide between 3700x and 3900x.
I game, do some heavy Word/Excel stuff, and I do some light photo editing.

As I have to get whole new system except my GTX 1070 (old one is going to my son) price difference is not that huge and I think that extra cores/threads will help out in the long run. What do you guys think?
I don't think you stand to gain much from the 3900X over the 3700X based on your use case, so I think you should go with the 3700X. If you want to spend more money then put the extra $170 toward a faster GPU.
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Old Jul 18, 2019, 11:54 PM   #124
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Thanks guys, 3700x it is Can't wait to put it together and try it out, it has been more than 7 years since I did any PC building
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looks like the C6H needs another BIOS for the 3000 series

some are getting stuck on 07 POST code and other problems

looks like this 3800x will set in the box for a bit
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Old Jul 19, 2019, 11:49 AM   #126
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Is that with the bios that was released yesterday or 7106?
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Is that with the bios that was released yesterday or 7106?
7201 is still getting 07 POST codes

but asus says they have replicated it in lab so the next BIOS should fix it
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Old Jul 19, 2019, 12:43 PM   #128
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what program is everyone using to monitor temps\volts I don't see where Asus has a download for any apps on the motherboard page for my X570 board.

I launched Ryzen master last night after installing the new board and I got a strange message stating unsupported cpu. I just downloaded and installed the app a few days ago.

I see it now - AI_SuiteIII for ROG STRIX X570-F not sure how I missed it. I never liked this application I will try some of the free ones. Any recommendations?

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Old Jul 19, 2019, 12:50 PM   #129
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what program is everyone using to monitor temps\volts I don't see where Asus has a download for any apps on the motherboard page for my X570 board.

I launched Ryzen master last night after installing the new board and I got a strange message stating unsupported cpu. I just downloaded and installed the app a few days ago.
Ryzen Master and ASRock MB app here. I cranked my Wraith to MAX as my 3700X runs hot. made temps more bearable. Although it definitely runs high volts on AUTO. Will just let it do its thing unless issues arise.
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Old Jul 19, 2019, 01:10 PM   #130
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what program is everyone using to monitor temps\volts I don't see where Asus has a download for any apps on the motherboard page for my X570 board.

I launched Ryzen master last night after installing the new board and I got a strange message stating unsupported cpu. I just downloaded and installed the app a few days ago.

I see it now - AI_SuiteIII for ROG STRIX X570-F not sure how I missed it. I never liked this application I will try some of the free ones. Any recommendations?
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Does Ryzen Master have an overlay that I'm not seeing? If not, what are you guys using to overlay?
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FINALLY took all the parts to my office today to get the thing put together after a week of looking at the stuff late at night and early in the mornings...and...

Quite possibly the most frustrating assembly I've ever done. NOTHING went right. Couldn't get the case to cooperate, couldn't get the drives mounted right, put the cpu power cables thru before installing the fans up top and the motherboard, and then realizing much later when I put the modular psu in that the wrong end(s) into the mobo. And whomever came up with the idea of using the AMD retention brackets for Corsair's AIO should be beaten. Severely. I had to pull the mobo back out to attached the #@$%@#$%@# clips.

Get it all together, first boot....nothing. ****. Slide psu out to hit the fan test button, it works...then notice that the 10-pin)?) connector next to the 24 pin came loose. Attached it and tried again. It turns on but no video...I forgot to plug in the gpu cables. Just **** like that, the whole damn day.

Anyway, got into BIOS, voltages and temps look fine. I ran out of time and have to go out of town for a week tomorrow.....but I least I know it works. Sort of....one of the h115 RGB fans isn't lighting up and one of the stock case fans that I moved to the top isn't working.

Wiring also looks like hell b/c I was worried I wasn't going to get done so I just started letting the wires fall where they may.

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looks like the C6H needs another BIOS for the 3000 series

some are getting stuck on 07 POST code and other problems

looks like this 3800x will set in the box for a bit
My C6H works. Only problem is if I overclock my memory too high I get a C5 error on a cold boot. I have to clear the bios every time I cold boot and then restore from my saved profiles. Annoying, but manageable.
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Isn't that one of the things you fix by setting the dram boot voltage to 1.35 or is that just a ch7 issue?
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Old Jul 19, 2019, 06:25 PM   #135
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My C6H works. Only problem is if I overclock my memory too high I get a C5 error on a cold boot. I have to clear the bios every time I cold boot and then restore from my saved profiles. Annoying, but manageable.
Cold boots would do that on some of the original BIOS at launch as well, so not really anything new. I hit a good point with the 1700x a few months in and didn't really update them that frequently.

Am waiting to see if a new BIOS comes out before I get my new chip, but it doesn't look too good. Are you on the ones dated 7/5/19, I believe they're 7201?
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Old Jul 19, 2019, 06:29 PM   #136
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Isn't that one of the things you fix by setting the dram boot voltage to 1.35 or is that just a ch7 issue?
Yeah, some thought that would fix it, but it still won't boot for me at 3733 C14 with tight timings. It will boot at 3733 C16 with no problems, and C14 is totally stable (high end mem kit bought a year ago finally paid off!) the board just won't cold boot with those settings. Those running less aggressive settings probably aren't having problems.

Anyway, I'm sure it will be fixed eventually, so I'm not sweating it.

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Cold boots would do that on some of the original BIOS at launch as well, so not really anything new. I hit a good point with the 1700x a few months in and didn't really update them that frequently.

Am waiting to see if a new BIOS comes out before I get my new chip, but it doesn't look too good. Are you on the ones dated 7/5/19, I believe they're 7201?
Yeah I'm pretty sure I'm on the 7/5/19 one.
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Bought a Ryzen 3900x just because the i5-2500k has done its job.
MSI Performance Gaming MPG X570 Gaming motherboard.
32GB 3200 CL14 RAM just because.

I realized I upgrade every.... what? 7.5 years is that now?? so why not go all out.

Installation of everything was flawless.

Here in Toronto area Canada Computers had about 40 of these CPUs in stock day after release. Called and saw there were 5 at one location. Confirmed by employee. Got there an hour later and all sold out.
Drove to Mississauga location as it said 9 in stock. They put one on hold and I got it. The next day NONE of the locations had any.
I got the MSI board as it was the only $200's $CAD motherboard they had. I don't need a $800 board as I don't think I'll overclock this time...or at least not yet.

Only benchmark metric I can provide as it is all I have tried so far:
Witcher 3 - Max gfx minus hairworks:
GTX 1070 on the i5-2500k @ 1440p -> 44-60 FPS walking around
GTX 1070 on this new setup @ 1440p -> 56-68 FPS walking around
So the video card wasn't being fed enough CPU juice previously.
for giggles the new setup @ 4k -> 30-36 FPS
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My C6H works. Only problem is if I overclock my memory too high I get a C5 error on a cold boot. I have to clear the bios every time I cold boot and then restore from my saved profiles. Annoying, but manageable.
My C7H 3700x was also getting that C5 error on a cold boot. Clear bios/restore saved profile, bleh. Then I found this magical (new?) setting in the Version 2501 bios under Extreme Tweaker\External Digi+Power Control. It's at the -very- bottom of that section on the C7H and it's called "Dram VBoot Voltage".

So, by setting that to the v my mem requires in addition to the regular dram voltage setting I haven't seen the C5 error since. Is that one the setting you tried that didn't work?

If not, then maybe the new bios Version 7201 dated 2019/07/18 for the C6H has it too? Version 7106 2019/07/05 was the previous one.

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Bought a Ryzen 3900x just because the i5-2500k has done its job.
MSI Performance Gaming MPG X570 Gaming motherboard.
32GB 3200 CL14 RAM just because.

I realized I upgrade every.... what? 7.5 years is that now?? so why not go all out.

Installation of everything was flawless.

Here in Toronto area Canada Computers had about 40 of these CPUs in stock day after release. Called and saw there were 5 at one location. Confirmed by employee. Got there an hour later and all sold out.
Drove to Mississauga location as it said 9 in stock. They put one on hold and I got it. The next day NONE of the locations had any.
I got the MSI board as it was the only $200's $CAD motherboard they had. I don't need a $800 board as I don't think I'll overclock this time...or at least not yet.

Only benchmark metric I can provide as it is all I have tried so far:
Witcher 3 - Max gfx minus hairworks:
GTX 1070 on the i5-2500k @ 1440p -> 44-60 FPS walking around
GTX 1070 on this new setup @ 1440p -> 56-68 FPS walking around
So the video card wasn't being fed enough CPU juice previously.
for giggles the new setup @ 4k -> 30-36 FPS
You went all out with the worst motherboard in Msi lineup???
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My C7H 3700x was also getting that C5 error on a cold boot. Clear bios/restore saved profile, bleh. Then I found this magical (new?) setting in the Version 2501 bios under Extreme Tweaker\External Digi+Power Control. It's at the -very- bottom of that section on the C7H and it's called "Dram VBoot Voltage".

So, by setting that to the v my mem requires in addition to the regular dram voltage setting I haven't seen the C5 error since. Is that one the setting you tried that didn't work?

If not, then maybe the new bios Version 7201 dated 2019/07/18 for the C6H has it too? Version 7106 2019/07/05 was the previous one.
Yeah that was the setting I changed. I will try again with the new bios in the next day or two.
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Drove to Mississauga location as it said 9 in stock.

Only benchmark metric I can provide as it is all I have tried so far:
Witcher 3 - Max gfx minus hairworks:
GTX 1070 on the i5-2500k @ 1440p -> 44-60 FPS walking around
GTX 1070 on this new setup @ 1440p -> 56-68 FPS walking around
So the video card wasn't being fed enough CPU juice previously.
for giggles the new setup @ 4k -> 30-36 FPS
Lol Gi bro lives in Mississauga

Your 1070 is really gpu limiting you right there. I upgraded to a 2700x last year and it really held me back until I got my 2080.
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My 3900x arrived today, kyronaut not coming until Monday lol.
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Asus ROG Strix X570-F Gaming build

Overclocked my Gskill Flarex pc 3200 cl14 to 3600 cl16 @1.41 volts
The 3800x overclocks to 4.5 on all cores often and temps stay around 60C under load.
I left all the CPU overclock settings at default.

Ran prime 95 for two hours no issues. Had the board less than two days and I believe I have tweaked it to its max. Easy setup and very fast.

Activated windows 10 pro 1903 using my windows 7 pro oem key.

bios version 804

Asus ROG Strix X570-F clearly has a better bios than Asrock.
The Taichi never allowed me to overclock the memory more than xmp 3200. It ran defaults perfectly but had no overclocking ability.

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Old Jul 20, 2019, 07:10 PM   #145
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You went all out with the worst motherboard in Msi lineup???
I'm sure the $200 and $800 boards are almost the same. All will run 16 cores. I'm sure the $800 ones will overclock an extra 100mhZ on LN2. I honestly don't see the need for the expensive boards, although a third m.2 slot would be nice
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My C7H 3700x was also getting that C5 error on a cold boot. Clear bios/restore saved profile, bleh. Then I found this magical (new?) setting in the Version 2501 bios under Extreme Tweaker\External Digi+Power Control. It's at the -very- bottom of that section on the C7H and it's called "Dram VBoot Voltage".

So, by setting that to the v my mem requires in addition to the regular dram voltage setting I haven't seen the C5 error since. Is that one the setting you tried that didn't work?

If not, then maybe the new bios Version 7201 dated 2019/07/18 for the C6H has it too? Version 7106 2019/07/05 was the previous one.
I went back and tried the setting again. It looks like I just wasn't putting the voltage high enough. I need 1.475v to be stable at my settings, so setting the boot voltage to 1.35v or even 1.4v wasn't high enough.

I guess I should have figured that. Oh well. Problem seems to be solved now. Thanks for getting me to try it again!
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my 3800x is on a UPS bicycle messenger from Plainfield, IN to Phoenix

will be here next Friday
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Mine was close to that as well, 8 days before I received it.
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Mine was close to that as well, 8 days before I received it.
most of the time stuff comes from LA in a day to three free shipping or paid so I never pay for their faster shipping

this is coming from Indiana free shipping so UPS ground

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Anyone running a 3900x on a crosshair vii hero?

Going to plop the cpu in soon but I've heard that the bios is buggy, agesa ab is nowhere to be seen aba has been pulled.

After the departure of a senior bios development member last year asus have gone down the shitter.

I'm considering getting an x570 board but don't know which one to go with.... I'd really rather not though if possible.
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