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Old Dec 15, 2018, 01:36 PM   #31
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Can't even get rid of this POS. DDU'd it and tried to reinstall 18.11.2 but got 18.12.2 WTF. Tried 3 times same result. I did a clean install on the new Adrenalin drivers so it seems I can't roll back. Fu*k that I'll just game on my XboneX. Seriously pissed off AMD owner, maybe it's time to rethink my hardware strategy.
Have you disabled windows from automatically updating your drivers? If not, that could be your problem. Had it happen after a fresh install, forgot to disable driver updates in windows. I would install drivers (not the current released ones), reboot, and windows would reinstall the latest drivers.

Also, when installing AMD drivers, make sure you do not have "keep drivers up to date" checked. Or AMD"s installer will sometimes download and install the latest version without prompting you when you run the installer.
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Have you disabled windows from automatically updating your drivers? If not, that could be your problem. Had it happen after a fresh install, forgot to disable driver updates in windows. I would install drivers (not the current released ones), reboot, and windows would reinstall the latest drivers.

Also, when installing AMD drivers, make sure you do not have "keep drivers up to date" checked. Or AMD"s installer will sometimes download and install the latest version without prompting you when you run the installer.
Have you tried these new drivers NWR? Would be interested to hear your comments. How do I automatically stop updating drivers? New one on me.
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I never use DDU f up and had to reload windows too many times never again

I just load over the top or uninstall from windows programs and features and reload and then reboot if that does not work

but like above "disable driver updates in windows"
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Have you tried these new drivers NWR? Would be interested to hear your comments. How do I automatically stop updating drivers? New one on me.
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/d...-on-windows-10

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Have you tried these new drivers NWR? Would be interested to hear your comments. How do I automatically stop updating drivers? New one on me.
I have been running these drivers since the day they where released. No issues, however, I don't have my fans connected to my card, as I converted to water cooling, so my fan speeds are controlled by Bios and/or fan control software I also don't leave it to software to control my undervolting or Overclock, I am a manual kind of guy.
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Can't even get rid of this POS. DDU'd it and tried to reinstall 18.11.2 but got 18.12.2 WTF. Tried 3 times same result. I did a clean install on the new Adrenalin drivers so it seems I can't roll back. Fu*k that I'll just game on my XboneX. Seriously pissed off AMD owner, maybe it's time to rethink my hardware strategy.
Don't want to give excuses or anything, but this sounds like a botched Windows install man. I have a Gigabyte RX Vega64 here and what you described works as intended, I've set my fan cap at 40%/75 degrees and it respects the limit just fine.
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Don't want to give excuses or anything, but this sounds like a botched Windows install man. I have a Gigabyte RX Vega64 here and what you described works as intended, I've set my fan cap at 40%/75 degrees and it respects the limit just fine.
Can I ask why is it always Widows that is to blame and never AMD? I have no other Windows related issues and everything was fine with my card until I installed these drivers?? Reading these threads it's the same with the multi-monitor bugs it's always Windows fault which sounds like a crappy excuse for pi*s poor software engineering.

Let's not forget the elevated memory clocks that existed for ages in driver releases was that also a Windows issue I wonder. Should we also ignore the fact that all the good engineers have left AMD for pastures new and all that's left behind is the dross that produce rubbish like this driver?

Also, is the fact I have no option for zero fan control a Windows issue as well or does it just work on the latest AIB cards and not the original blower cards like mine? If so why not just tell us the truth that the original cards will never have that feature which would amount to another great engineering faux pas by AMD. Sometimes it's difficult to defend the indefensible TBH and I'm rapidly reaching that point.

Finally when you say botched Windows install I have had this install for about 9 months and I've had zero issues with it and I only use this PC for gaming so don't have a load of software installed on the SSD. So please enlighten me why it might now be botched when all I did was install this POS driver. If you look on other forums people are saying this driver should have been labeled 'beta' and install at your own risk as people are having a myriad of problems with it.
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I have seen people using DDU botch a lot of Windows installs and or seem to have more driver problems than carter has little pills
and that's on both NV & AMD

even me and why I stopped using that DDU garbage around the time of my 3870's
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Can I ask why is it always Widows that is to blame and never AMD? I have no other Windows related issues and everything was fine with my card until I installed these drivers?? Reading these threads it's the same with the multi-monitor bugs it's always Windows fault which sounds like a crappy excuse for pi*s poor software engineering.
Because uninstalling the driver, and installing a different version magically brings the "uninstalled" version back. Something's wrong there, it's plain to see.

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Let's not forget the elevated memory clocks that existed for ages in driver releases was that also a Windows issue I wonder. Should we also ignore the fact that all the good engineers have left AMD for pastures new and all that's left behind is the dross that produce rubbish like this driver?
What "engineers" left AMD? You're kidding right? Are we talking about hardware engineers, software devs, marketing people? We're discussing software here.

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Also, is the fact I have no option for zero fan control a Windows issue as well or does it just work on the latest AIB cards and not the original blower cards like mine? If so why not just tell us the truth that the original cards will never have that feature which would amount to another great engineering faux pas by AMD. Sometimes it's difficult to defend the indefensible TBH and I'm rapidly reaching that point.
There's no original cards and AIB cards - there's reference coolers and there's AIB coolers on the cards. As I said, I have a Gigabyte model here at home. As stock as it gets, and I don't have those issues you mentioned in your previous post. You don't get a different device ID because someone slapped a different cooler on the card, doesn't work that way.

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Finally when you say botched Windows install I have had this install for about 9 months and I've had zero issues with it and I only use this PC for gaming so don't have a load of software installed on the SSD. So please enlighten me why it might now be botched when all I did was install this POS driver. If you look on other forums people are saying this driver should have been labeled 'beta' and install at your own risk as people are having a myriad of problems with it.
I explained why your install sounds botched. Believe it or not, DDU botched my install couple of months back with an update of theirs (was getting blue screens after uninstalling, it's a good thing I am pretty active about System Restore, has saved my butt quite a few times).

Software is never 100% perfect. Bugs always exist, but we do our best to fix them and provide useful new functionality to our users and believe me, if the drivers were in the state you're describing, journalists from around the world would be writing condemning reviews right now. I realise you're pissed off with all these problems your system is having but going off doesn't exactly solve them - reporting them will though : https://www.amd.com/report
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It's like Remote Desktop on steroids. You can play games from your mobile device, watch movies, whatever you like.

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Sweeeeet, was really hoping I read that correctly. Now if only an update down the road would let me access that functionality from an App or web interface so I could use it on my other windows PC's or Linux box.
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If you experience this, try disabling HDCP support for now (Display -> Specs -> Override -> HDCP support) and see if it works.

As for the permanent fix, I am not aware whether it'll make the next driver version or the one after that, but I heard that they fixed it. I'll verify and if it's true, you can spread the news
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Unfortunately my monitor(s) don't allow for disabling HDCP. My pointer trails have been off etc. I'm still using 18.3.4.

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Sweeeeet, was really hoping I read that correctly. Now if only an update down the road would let me access that functionality from an App or web interface so I could use it on my other windows PC's or Linux box.
Well, as always, you know what they say, ask and thou shall receive Every year that we sit down and decide what new features to implement, we actually look at this list people vote:

https://www.feedback.amd.com/se/5A1E...449/lang/en-US

and try to implement as much as possible. These come from reddit, forums etc etc.
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OK so I took peoples advice and I uninstalled DDU and this time I downloaded the 18.12.1.1. driver and uninstalled the new Adrenalin driver and rebooted. Bizarrely it loaded the 17.1 drivers(?) so I just started the setup for the 18.12.1.1 driver, did express install and hey presto it worked.

I've now got fan control back and I've set my under volt settings again and everything seems to be working as it should. Fan noise is under control which is my main concern and performance is where it was. I'll just put this down to experience I guess and just move on.

Kombatant you asked me about staff leaving so please read this from Guru3D....

"It's been turmoil for the AMD RTG (Radeon Technologies Group) this year. There has been a massive outflow of staff, new ones coming in and now Mike Rayfield, the general manager and senior vice president of AMD's Radeon Technologies Group announced that he will retire at the year's end as well.

Together with David Wang, who was added earlier this year, Mike Rayfield has been responsible for the anything Radeon after Raja Koduri left the company and moved to Intel. Interim Wang will fill the position for now until he can be replaced.

AMD shared the following statement:

Mike is retiring at the end of the year. He has made the decision to spend more time with his family and pursue his personal passions. David Wang will be interim lead for Radeon Technologies Group while we finalize search for a new business leader.

From the looks of things, he is retiring and not moving towards Intel. Rayfield had a good career with 30 years of experience in the industry working for names like Micron, but also Nvidia where he lead the team that developed Nvidia's Tegra. Let's hope this was the last name to move away from AMD, the Radeon team needs a stable and steady environment.


TBH something is very badly wrong at RTG and hopefully Rayfield's departure won't affect Navi but who knows that might be the reason he left Dark clouds are gathering.

I'd also like to apologise Kombatant if my posts seemed personal I can assure you they were not. Just frustrated that after 16 months this is where we are with Vega. Sad.
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OK so I took peoples advice and I uninstalled DDU and this time I downloaded the 18.12.1.1. driver and uninstalled the new Adrenalin driver and rebooted. Bizarrely it loaded the 17.1 drivers(?) so I just started the setup for the 18.12.1.1 driver, did express install and hey presto it worked.

I've now got fan control back and I've set my under volt settings again and everything seems to be working as it should. Fan noise is under control which is my main concern and performance is where it was. I'll just put this down to experience I guess and just move on.
Glad you sorted it out man. Not to point fingers again, but a few days ago Windows update decided to "update" my driver to an older version; so for a while I had a Frankenstein version of Radeon Software on my PC and I was wondering where all my new options went

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Kombatant you asked me about staff leaving so please read this from Guru3D....

"It's been turmoil for the AMD RTG (Radeon Technologies Group) this year. There has been a massive outflow of staff, new ones coming in and now Mike Rayfield, the general manager and senior vice president of AMD's Radeon Technologies Group announced that he will retire at the year's end as well.

Together with David Wang, who was added earlier this year, Mike Rayfield has been responsible for the anything Radeon after Raja Koduri left the company and moved to Intel. Interim Wang will fill the position for now until he can be replaced.

AMD shared the following statement:

Mike is retiring at the end of the year. He has made the decision to spend more time with his family and pursue his personal passions. David Wang will be interim lead for Radeon Technologies Group while we finalize search for a new business leader.

From the looks of things, he is retiring and not moving towards Intel. Rayfield had a good career with 30 years of experience in the industry working for names like Micron, but also Nvidia where he lead the team that developed Nvidia's Tegra. Let's hope this was the last name to move away from AMD, the Radeon team needs a stable and steady environment.


TBH something is very badly wrong at RTG and hopefully Rayfield's departure won't affect Navi but who knows that might be the reason he left Dark clouds are gathering.
AMD is going to be ok. I won't deny that there were departures, but, for example, our RTG software team had none. And, you know, they're the people that actually make these drivers, not the higher ups that run the business.

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I'd also like to apologise Kombatant if my posts seemed personal I can assure you they were not. Just frustrated that after 16 months this is where we are with Vega. Sad.
No offense taken, I've been in these forums for far too many years to take any
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From wwccf so maybe not so reliable...

"These are some of the key figures that recently made the move:

Alexander Lyashevsky, a very talented engineer and a corporate fellow at AMD was hired as the Senior Director of Machine Learning Algorithms and Software Architecture at Intel.
Jason Gunderson, another top CPU engineer and Sr. Director Program Managemen at AMD was brought on as Senior Director and Cheif of Staff Silicon Engineering at Intel.
Radhakrishna Giduthuri, a top AI engineer at AMD who had spent 7 years in their software architecture and AI department was snagged by Intel as a Deep Learning Architect in the AI Products Group.
Joseph Facca, is one of the key talent that was not taken directly from AMD but was approached form a different route. Joseph had previously been with AMD and led board design teams for ATI but had left in the September of 2016. He had been working in a much smaller company as an R&D expert and Intel brought him on board as an ‘industry leader’ to “create, design and deliver industry-leading discrete graphics products.

There is another candidate, Mark Hirsh, who recently left AMD. He was the CVP of System Engineering at RTG and was VP Platform of Instinct and I have been told that Intel is currently in talks to bring him onboard as well. If the company manages to do that, combined with Raja, Chris, Jim Keller and Tom Forsyth, it would be one of the biggest talent hunts in this industry in the past few years."
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I uninstall the unwanted driver then install the new or rollback driver then reboot

it is on reboot that windows will install a driver if there is not one
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it is on reboot that windows will install a driver if there is not one
I know Bill thanks. Last few drivers haven't worked with express install so I've had to clean install which warns you that you have no option to rollback. It is what it is I guess. Everything is now back where it was so ultimately no harm done.

Still don't think my issues were a windows problem but hey I guess I'll never know other than everything is working again and the only thing missing is the new Adrenalin release. Strange that hey
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Kombatant, would you advise never to use DDU? That is the conclusion to which I have come after researching the topic, even before reading this thread. It seems to do more harm than good.
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Kombatant, would you advise never to use DDU? That is the conclusion to which I have come after researching the topic, even before reading this thread. It seems to do more harm than good.
Far from it. DDU is a great tool. All I am saying is that it isn't gospel. And it's all a matter of perspective really - I mean think about it. Something goes wrong on your PC because of something you did. Everyone will thing "Bloody AMD and their drivers"... nobody will think, hey, I also run DDU, maybe that thing, you know, is software and may have bugs as well
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Far from it. DDU is a great tool. All I am saying is that it isn't gospel. And it's all a matter of perspective really - I mean think about it. Something goes wrong on your PC because of something you did. Everyone will thing "Bloody AMD and their drivers"... nobody will think, hey, I also run DDU, maybe that thing, you know, is software and may have bugs as well
A pox on both houses then?

Kidding aside, I get what you are saying. Software is complicated, and modern systems are made up of hundreds of pieces of software all interacting with one another. Sometimes it is difficult to determine who is to blame for a particular issue.

So when would you recommend using DDU? When you are having a difficult driver problem and the reward of using it outweighs the risk?
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Far from it. DDU is a great tool. All I am saying is that it isn't gospel. And it's all a matter of perspective really - I mean think about it. Something goes wrong on your PC because of something you did. Everyone will thing "Bloody AMD and their drivers"... nobody will think, hey, I also run DDU, maybe that thing, you know, is software and may have bugs as well
well I believe in running as little as possible so DDU and safe mode is out
I just let windows do the uninstall and do a manual driver install

so right I can just blame everything on "Bloody NV and their drivers "

till you guys get Navi or Navi CFX here to replace my old 1080 ti
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So when would you recommend using DDU? When you are having a difficult driver problem and the reward of using it outweighs the risk?
What I usually suggest is that people do a Clean Install once in a while. Only if you do a Clean Install, and you still have issues, go ahead and run DDU to wipe stuff from your PC. Just make sure that every time, you have system restore enabled because it's the difference between a broken system and a resurrected one.
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All Ive been doing is slapping the latest driver on top of the old ones and no issues. I did uninstall the driver when I replaced the RX 480 with the Vega 64 but no issues yet.
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What I usually suggest is that people do a Clean Install once in a while. Only if you do a Clean Install, and you still have issues, go ahead and run DDU to wipe stuff from your PC. Just make sure that every time, you have system restore enabled because it's the difference between a broken system and a resurrected one.
Is the Clean Install option simply an automated uninstallation of the old driver and installation of the new one? Does it do anything special to remove the old driver besides what a regular uninstallation from the Control Panel or Settings/Apps/Apps & Features would do?
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It also cleans up a bunch of leftover stuff if found - just like DDU.
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It also cleans up a bunch of leftover stuff if found - just like DDU.
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Fixed Issues
Fan speed gauge in Radeon WattMan may sometimes overfill.
Memory clocks on Radeon RX Vega series graphics products may become locked at 800Mhz.
Game profiles with custom fan settings may sometimes remain even after closing a game.
The game streaming tab may be missing in Radeon Settings when Radeon Software Adrenalin 2019 Edition is installed twice on a system.
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Custom values for the sampling interval slider in the performance metrics feature may fail to enable.
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Some systems running multiple displays may experience mouse lag when at least one display is enabled but powered off.
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Zero RPM may fail to enable/disable correctly when switching between manual and automatic fan controls.
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Radeon Software Adrenalin 2019 Edition 18.12.3 Driver Version 18.50.03 (Windows Driver Store Version 25.20.15003.5010)
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We've also added haptic feedback for AMD Link's on screen controls, I just released an update (iOS as usual will take a while to go live).
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I am having no issues with either the 18.12.2 or the 18.12.3 drivers, however I have noticed that my Vega 64 (Air converted to water) runs hotter with both sets of drivers vs previous drivers. Core and memory are up about 5C and the hotspot is up by 10C under load, over previous drivers, using same settings and same games, etc. This is with my room being cooler as well.
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I am having no issues with either the 18.12.2 or the 18.12.3 drivers, however I have noticed that my Vega 64 (Air converted to water) runs hotter with both sets of drivers vs previous drivers. Core and memory are up about 5C and the hotspot is up by 10C under load, over previous drivers, using same settings and same games, etc. This is with my room being cooler as well.
Thank you for noting that. Will check with my liquid card this weekend.


I am still running 10-10-2018 drivers. So, hoping there won't be any major hiccups on the transition.
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