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Old Aug 4, 2020, 06:33 PM   #31
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Nevermind. I apologize for extending an olive branch. Wish you well. Take care.
That was extending an olive branch? I asked for specifics, if you don't want to offer any that is fine.
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Old Aug 4, 2020, 06:39 PM   #32
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So apparently being anti-Trump and critical of the GOP is the same thing as "not conservative by any means"? Wow. Ok. Guess I'm a filthy librul too.
My reply moved to trash bin to stay on topic...
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Old Aug 4, 2020, 06:42 PM   #33
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Dudes we have a P&R forum to hash that out

Here's for feedback...
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Old Aug 5, 2020, 10:43 AM   #34
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Cant even get it right in feedback
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Bounced out of that sub-forum. Over it. Perhaps the next time you’re looking for a mod who is a conservative you survey the available conservatives, see who wants in, then put it to a vote so the members of said sub-forum have a voice. There aren’t many people in there right now who are even remotely happy with the direction it has taken.

Just a thought. Deuces.
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Old Aug 13, 2020, 01:10 AM   #36
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Bounced out of that sub-forum. Over it. Perhaps the next time you’re looking for a mod who is a conservative you survey the available conservatives, see who wants in, then put it to a vote so the members of said sub-forum have a voice. There aren’t many people in there right now who are even remotely happy with the direction it has taken.

Just a thought. Deuces.
Don't know about politics but the religious threads were the worst in there so I just up and quit that forum altogether. Now I just go in to talk about some news I heard and usually get an answer that means nothing. That forum also gives me ADD since everyone writes so much.
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Bounced out of that sub-forum. Over it. Perhaps the next time you’re looking for a mod who is a conservative you survey the available conservatives, see who wants in, then put it to a vote so the members of said sub-forum have a voice. There aren’t many people in there right now who are even remotely happy with the direction it has taken.

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Old Aug 13, 2020, 08:31 AM   #38
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Old Aug 13, 2020, 10:43 AM   #39
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IMO the Powers That Be here should be taking this boycott of P&R very seriously and consider correcting the behavior that's causing it. It feels like they are still considering this "growing pains" and "it will sort itself out eventually". Well, no it's not, and now you have a significant number of people who feel that the sub-forum has become untenable, and are leaving it. Should that not be concerning to those who hold the keys to this forum? IMO one of the great things about Rage3D's OT forums is the relatively light touch that the mods have. To be clear, I'm not advocating zero moderation. I'm just saying the Big Stick approach has never and will never work. Our concerns have been clearly communicated to the new mod, but it's equally clear that he doesn't care.
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It took them 1 month to decide on it. Come back in 2021 for the reversal
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Eh, I have kind of been doing a personal boycott of P&R section for a while now. Just only occasionally posting when I really feel I need to get something off my chest.

I simply don't have the time or energy for the long form debating that lasts for days and just goes in circles getting nowhere. Political discussion is a futile exercise. Its only ever fruitful when both parties make an effort to find some kind of common ground, but hardly ever happens.

The fact Exposed has become a mod there hasn't changed my feelings of using the forum section, but have to say I don't think he's a good choice as a mod. He has proven himself over the years to be too stubborn and thick headed in even normal forum discussion. How someone like that can moderate P&R discussion is beyond me.
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Bounced out of that sub-forum. Over it. Perhaps the next time you’re looking for a mod who is a conservative you survey the available conservatives, see who wants in, then put it to a vote so the members of said sub-forum have a voice. There aren’t many people in there right now who are even remotely happy with the direction it has taken.

Just a thought. Deuces.
I pretty much ducked out the day after the big hub bub, decided to stop by P&R yesterday to see how things were and saw things were still going swimmingly. But yeah, agree wholeheartedly. I think I posted a similar sentiment in the Feedback thread in P&R.

P&R was probably my most posted in forum lately, now I'm pretty sure it's the Nioh 2 thread.
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I think there's a bit of melodrama going here. A single thread was closed because I felt it didn't belong. Suddenly it's the apocalypse.

I think if people are that sensitive, or even just sensitive to change, maybe some time off is needed. If you let P&R consume you too much you become trapped in a black hole of cynicism. This is especially true for those that spend the vast majority of their time in P&R for what is essentially a gaming and graphics card forum.

I'm sorry if my actions offended anyone. I did what I thought was right at the time.
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I think there's a bit of melodrama going here. A single thread was closed because I felt it didn't belong. Suddenly it's the apocalypse.

I think if people are that sensitive, or even just sensitive to change, maybe some time off is needed. If you let P&R consume you too much you become trapped in a black hole of cynicism. This is especially true for those that spend the vast majority of their time in P&R for what is essentially a gaming and graphics card forum.

I'm sorry if my actions offended anyone. I did what I thought was right at the time.
If you can't understand why it's SO much more than that, which has been explained to you repeatedly and in great detail, then there's nothing more to be said at this point. Banging our heads against a brick wall just isn't fun.
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And you prove yet again why you shouldn’t be a mod. “If you’re that sensitive...” no, you’re just a straight up d*** that nobody wants to deal with.

Minimizing the concerns of long time and well respected (much more than you will ever be) members by saying it’s all because of a single thread. Do you lack reading comprehension skills? Go read through this thread, and the stickied one in P&R, and try again. Like in the UFO thread you are unable to see anyone’s viewpoint as valid except your own, and just like that thread your condescending tone follows you everywhere. Great traits for a mod

Even in your apology you couldn’t just say you were sorry and move on. You have to throw in the “I did what I thought was right “ justification. That’s half-assed BS.
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Jesus.

Condescending tone? Doing what I thought was right is BS?

If I didn't do what I thought was right, that would be a problem. You (Cyko) even accused me of actions I didn't take! (another mod deleted your post, not me).


I don't know why you brought up the UFO thread because unlike P&R, there are clear lines of logic, evidence, and facts regarding topics like those. There's a viewpoint in every spectrum but you cannot deviate from any of the 3 pillars above without delving into unfalsifiable territory. That was, and remains, a very important point in that thread.

You're taking my viewpoint from that thread and into P&R but not of that applies because politics whether left or right is going to be entirely belief and subjectivity. Anything I posted were presented in objective fashion (news links) followed by a subjective overview (a political opinion no different than your own).

It seems you won't accept me with my right wing views and moderator status (as you've also done with Bitterman), so I suppose I will join you in not posting for a while in P&R. I'll stick to just reviewing threads for now.
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Holy crap! Dude, it has nothing to do you with your "right wing views", and that has been repeatedly said.

I just...nvm, I'm out.
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Yup. You just can't with some people buddy.
The sad thing is, I really want people to succeed when they take on new roles and responsibilities. But part of being a mature adult is accepting corrective feedback and making adjustments accordingly. When you either can't or won't accept that YOU are the problem and not THEM, then you do not belong in any position of authority. Being intentionally obtuse is not a good characteristic of any kind of leader.
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...Minimizing the concerns of long time and well respected (much more than you will ever be) members ...
It's the crap like this that goes on constantly in the P&R forum that makes it the cesspool that it's been labeled time and time again.

The tone you and others set with these...
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I think there's a bit of melodrama going here.
I think that you intentionally 'came in hard' and that this was expected from you. You said as much yourself.

It's drama that you intended to cause. I mean, how is that not Trolling again?

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It's not the thread closure that bothers me as much as the trend of suppression that you seem to use to make your points. Deleting my post that dealt with right wing media bias was strike one for me. Changing other peoples post was strike two. Closing the thread because it was critical of Fox News hosts was strike three. IMO, You felt like it didn't belong because it was critical of your beliefs. Just like you felt like my post didn't belong because it was critical of your beliefs.

It's a cumulative thing, at least in my eyes. Not a sudden thing.

You, in one week have ruined the trust of an entire sub-forum. Congrats.

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I think if people are that sensitive, or even just sensitive to change, maybe some time off is needed.
I whole heartedly agree. If you are so sensitive to people being critical of your beliefs then by all means, take all the time off that you need.

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If you let P&R consume you too much you become trapped in a black hole of cynicism.
Please, by all means, take all the time off that you need. We'd really hate to see you in a black hole of cynicism. And if you think that is what goes on there then that is EXACTLY the reason that you shouldn't be a mod there.

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This is especially true for those that spend the vast majority of their time in P&R for what is essentially a gaming and graphics card forum.
Another reason that you have no reason for being there. Some of us take that forum seriously. You obviously are oblivious to that.

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And that is the problem. Your idea of 'right' is politically biased and it's solidified in your 'right wing' ideology.

Right doesn't mean 'right leaning'. It means not deleting or closing threads that you politically don't agree with.

I think it is obvious that you shouldn't be a Mod in a political forum.

And I won't return to post there until you are no longer there.

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You have some serious perception flaws clouding your judgement. If you think I closed the thread because it was critical of Fox news (I could care less about Fox News and Carl Tuckerson), then you're not reading my posts or choosing to see something different in the words. It's not the first time either, you accused me of going into people's accounts and look into their ignore lists when no such functionality is possible. You know gaining people's trust is a two way street and you haven't budged a single bit from your stance since day 0 while I've went out of my way to make civil relationships. Your snideness even stalks me in the discord chat! Which is fine, I'm used to it now. However I still need to make an occasional judgement call as mod and this was one of them, had nothing to do with being left/right. In time I hope you'll eventually see that from my perspective.

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Nice. This is getting off to a good start. This is what we are to expect from a mod?

And my argument is that I see things rather clearly. I see someone coming into a modding situation that professes to be a right wing mod and is shutting down discussions critical of right wing media. Those are the facts. Perception isn't an issue there. You did those things.

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If you think I closed the thread because it was critical of Fox news (I could care less about Fox News and Carl Tuckerson), then you're not reading my posts or choosing to see something different in the words.
Words don't show the whole story. For that, I'm looking at your actions too. Those tell a different story. Your actions are that you deleted a thread critical of right wing media and you closed a thread that was critical of right wing media. I mean, Jay's thread used Tucker Carlson as an example of logical fallacies as a way of showing people how to point them out. The first few sentences of the thread you closed was:

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In an effort to make this forum great again™ I thought it would do some good to have examples to show when someone is falling to a logical fallacy, being intellectually dishonest, intellectually lazy, ignorant, trolling, etc. The debate around terms for Liberals / Left / Right / Conservatives got me thinking that most might not have good ideas of what fallacies are and how to spot them. A better understanding and recognition should, hopefully, go a long way to educate those who might be simply unaware of when used against them or when they too fall victim of them.


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It's not the first time either, you accused me of going into people's accounts and look into their ignore lists when no such functionality is possible.
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Is that because you planned on deleting views from people that you didn't agree with? You planned to go into posters settings and see who they had on ignore? You planned on all of this?
I did? Because I though I asked a question. The '?' at the end of the sentence indicates that it was a question.

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You know gaining people's trust is a two way street and you haven't budged a single bit from your stance since day 0 while I've went out of my way to make civil relationships.
HAHAHA!!! Best one yet. You went out of your way on day '0' by 'coming in hard', deleting posts, changing posts, and tried to make civil relationships too? Is it still going as expected? LOL

That is a good one. Bravo.

By the way, I went out of my way. I tried hard to smooth stuff over with people on PM. I talked to mods about it and worked stuff out with them. You totally screwed up and didn't even have the common curtesy to say really anything to me. You more than likely still believe that what you did by deleting my post was the 'right' thing to do. Even after many posters have called you out on it. I was cool with it all. Then you reared your 'right leaning mod' head again and locked a thread that was critical of right wing media.

Like I said earlier, it's a trend with you.

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Your snideness even stalks me in the discord chat! Which is fine, I'm used to it now.
Who comes into a discord chat saying, "It smells like cousin ****in' up in here". My reply was, "Serious question, how do you know what cousin ****ing smells like?". You replied, "KAC told me" My reply was, "You and KAC cousins?"..

First off, who comes into a chat like that? Second of all, if you do come into a chat like that, who doesn't expect some blowback.



By the way, playing the victim card doesn't work very well with me. You aren't a victim. You are a mod in a political forum. A mod that has made more than a few bad decisions in the week+ that you have been there. You are barking up the wrong tree if you are looking for sympathy from me at this point.

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However I still need to make an occasional judgement call as mod and this was one of them, had nothing to do with being left/right.
That is the problem. You have bad judgement.

You should not be a mod in a political forum. The 6+ page thread 'welcoming' you should have told you as much.

1) You came into a political forum claiming that you were a right wing mod and you were going to 'balance' the situation.
2) You then proceeded to delete and shut down posts critical of right wing media.

How else are we supposed to see the situation? It's pretty obvious to even the bystanders in the P&R forums. This was what you did. These are your actions.

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In time I hope you'll eventually see that from my perspective.
I VERY highly doubt that. Because as long as you are a Mod in the P&R forums, I will not be posting there. I've seen your actions to date and read your words. You are either oblivious to the fact that your political leanings are causing problems or, as you have stated after you 'came in hard', you knew this was going to happen. You expected it.

I'll take you at your word on that.

Either way, your actions over the last week+ have ran off good posters and sadly, I believe that was your intention as well.
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Nice. This is getting off to a good start. This is what we are to expect from a mod?

It's an observation. And frankly, it's been tiresome to see this trend.



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And my argument is that I see things rather clearly. I see someone coming into a modding situation that professes to be a right wing mod and is shutting down discussions critical of right wing media. Those are the facts. Perception isn't an issue there. You did those things.
Again, that's your perception. You've ignoring the other actions I've also done to mediate and only focusing on what you *think* to be biased actions. I really don't know what else to say about this, maybe after some time you'll see we're actually on different sides of the same page.



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Words don't show the whole story. For that, I'm looking at your actions too. Those tell a different story. Your actions are that you deleted a thread critical of right wing media and you closed a thread that was critical of right wing media. I mean, Jay's thread used Tucker Carlson as an example of logical fallacies as a way of showing people how to point them out. The first few sentences of the thread you closed was:
For your post, you deviated the discussion from the thread topic into your personal arguments. If it wasn't deleted or edited, and I asked you to stick to the topic, would your response have been different? Give a truthful response to yourself (not to me) and you have your answer.

You do know Cyko stated elsewhere his ignore list was on 10 and growing, and that was my source? This is one of many examples where you chose to make assumptions and from there set your tone for your response.




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HAHAHA!!! Best one yet. You went out of your way on day '0' by 'coming in hard', deleting posts, changing posts, and tried to make civil relationships too? Is it still going as expected? LOL

That is a good one. Bravo.

I hate these "quote wars" but included this one because it's clear the perception and tone is there from you. Yes on my first day I went back a few days to review posts and some needed editing, especially those with underlying attacks against someone else (and I did it for both "left/right" posters). Your post needed action, if I were to do it over I'd just have asked you to remain on topic rather than delete it, if that means anything.


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By the way, I went out of my way. I tried hard to smooth stuff over with people on PM. I talked to mods about it and worked stuff out with them. You totally screwed up and didn't even have the common curtesy to say really anything to me. You more than likely still believe that what you did by deleting my post was the 'right' thing to do. Even after many posters have called you out on it. I was cool with it all. Then you reared your 'right leaning mod' head again and locked a thread that was critical of right wing media.

Like I said earlier, it's a trend with you.

Well that's nice of you, too bad you didn't do any of that with me. All I got was a measly rolly eyes icon! It's still not too late if you want to talk further about it, whether on Discord or PM.





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Who comes into a discord chat saying, "It smells like cousin ****in' up in here". My reply was, "Serious question, how do you know what cousin ****ing smells like?". You replied, "KAC told me" My reply was, "You and KAC cousins?"..

First off, who comes into a chat like that? Second of all, if you do come into a chat like that, who doesn't expect some blowback.


Umm... I was referring to your other chastising posts, not some corny joke-a-thon. You do know that what most people use discord for don't you, a getaway while at work to discuss nonsense? Are you taking discord too seriously now? Do you have a sense of humor? Are you going to chastise me for my (joking) request for a NSFW channel in discord as well? Or my half dozen or so raunchy posts as well? It's DISCORD!





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By the way, playing the victim card doesn't work very well with me. You aren't a victim. You are a mod in a political forum. A mod that has made more than a few bad decisions in the week+ that you have been there. You are barking up the wrong tree if you are looking for sympathy from me at this point.
I'm not looking for your sympathy. And you're right, I am a mod in a political forum. That means I'll have views that disagrees with your own. That means I might have actions that appear biased to you, but isn't, because you only see it from your perspective. I can get along with people from all extremes of the political spectrum. You yourself stated you can't get along with anyone who supports Trump or Republicans. By de facto standard, I am going to be on your bad side pretty much all the time regardless of what I do. I, unfortunately, can't do anything about that.



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That is the problem. You have bad judgement.

You should not be a mod in a political forum. The 6+ page thread 'welcoming' you should have told you as much.
The 6+ page thread actually gives a good idea why I was made mod. It didn't just happen overnight, it took discussions over the current state of P&R before the role was offered to me and we knew it wasn't going to be smooth from the getgo. As for bad judgment, we all make bad judgements. Like I said, looking back I should have guided you on topic instead of outright deleting your post. I still wonder if your response would be different. Considering your response after I closed this thread, and did not edit/delete it outright, that somewhat answers my question right there. What would you have said any differently if the thread was deleted outright?





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I VERY highly doubt that. Because as long as you are a Mod in the P&R forums, I will not be posting there. I've seen your actions to date and read your words. You are either oblivious to the fact that your political leanings are causing problems or, as you have stated after you 'came in hard', you knew this was going to happen. You expected it.

I'll take you at your word on that.

Either way, your actions over the last week+ have ran off good posters and sadly, I believe that was your intention as well.
So is that it? You have a problem with my political leanings and being mod at the same time? What if my political leanings were the same as Shrike? What if Shrike was on the polar opposite of the political spectrum yet still made the same amount of threads praising, rather than criticizing, Trump? Would that have affected your posting presence in P&R?


I do not need to know the answers to these questions, it is there for your own benefit.



I also believed I explained myself as much as I could here. Not interested in any further "quote wars" but if you do want to talk, I'm all ears in discord or PM.

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Wait, exposed is a mod somewhere? The dude that was banned for personal attacks in other subforums?? Strange choice, I can't say I agree with that. Judging by this thread it would appear that it's played out about how I would have expected

I left P&R probably 2-3 years ago; while surprising that the same issues back then are still occuring, keeping in mind that the community here is so small, thus the same people posting.. makes it much less surprising.

You know who would make a great mod? Someone with little to no interest in P&R that is not an active contributor to that subforum, with little interest in politics in general. Someone who doesn't really care about left or right, or care much about defending his or her opinion/beliefs.

You'd be hard pressed to convince someone to enter that arena and sift through some of the garbage that is posted there, but that would be the ideal person to moderate that section.
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You are right. It is tiresome. Saying someone has "some serious perception flaws" clouding their judgement is, unfortunately, about what I expected.

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Again, that's your perception. You've ignoring the other actions I've also done to mediate and only focusing on what you *think* to be biased actions. I really don't know what else to say about this, maybe after some time you'll see we're actually on different sides of the same page.
It's not perception issues. It is your actions that got us to where we are today. You came into the P&R forum as a 'conservative moderator' and then closed down posts and threads that were critical of right wing media. Those are facts. There isn't some filter that I am looking through that is clouding my judgement on the situation. Your actions. Your words.

Like I said, I don't need time to see that trend. It already happened.

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A) I wasn't the one that brought up media bias. You did. As was pointed out in that thread.
B) What topic was that? You posted a youtube video of some guy with nothing else. The very next thing you posted was "There is no gotcha. Just one of many headlines that lay buried because it doesn't fit certain media's narratives."... To me that discussion went from the rando guy complaining about some conspiracy theories to media narratives...
C) If you would have said something to me in the tread I would have told you the exact same that I am telling you now.
D) This has already been explained to you with numerous walls of text in your 'welcome' thread.

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You do know Cyko stated elsewhere his ignore list was on 10 and growing, and that was my source?
Funny, I knew that after ASKING YOU.

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This is one of many examples where you chose to make assumptions and from there set your tone for your response.
I asked a question. As stated by the question mark. Not an assumption. Assumptions are statements. They usually end in periods or in some cases exclamation points. Do you need examples?

Also, serious question, how do you know my tone? It's the internet. What 'tone' does anyone have?

You know what, I think it is you that made the assumptions....

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I hate these "quote wars" but included this one because it's clear the perception and tone is there from you.
I did find it ironic that you perceived that you were gaining peoples trust and building civil relationships by deleting and changing peoples posts. Your posts here are somewhat duplicitous to your actions in P&R and I find that laughable.

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Your post needed action, if I were to do it over I'd just have asked you to remain on topic rather than delete it, if that means anything.
No, that post didn't need action. The tread you closed didn't need action either. If you thought that it was going to derail then you SHOULD HAVE waited for it to derail and THEN close it. No, you closed it because of political reasons just like you deleted my post for political reasons. That is my problem. And trust me, if those actions would have come out of any other poster here they'd get the exact same treatment from me. Even if it was a right leaning news post that was deleted. And if you don't know that about me then you do now.

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Well that's nice of you, too bad you didn't do any of that with me. All I got was a measly rolly eyes icon! It's still not too late if you want to talk further about it, whether on Discord or PM.
Please understand this. I do not have a problem with you. I have a problem with your actions. I do not agree with them and I do not think that you should have the ability to shut down political speech as you see fit. Your actions so far have shown me that you do not use good judgment. That's not a right or a left thing to me. That is a censorship thing to me. And in my opinion, your actions have essentially censored people because you didn't politically agree with them. That is my issue. And I don't have to participate in that.

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Umm... I was referring to your other chastising posts, not some corny joke-a-thon. You do know that what most people use discord for don't you, a getaway while at work to discuss nonsense? Are you taking discord too seriously now? Do you have a sense of humor? Are you going to chastise me for my (joking) request for a NSFW channel in discord as well? Or my half dozen or so raunchy posts as well? It's DISCORD!
Who brought discord up again? Oh yeah.....

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Your snideness even stalks me in the discord chat! Which is fine, I'm used to it now.
Snideness. What a nice descriptive term by the way. Very mod like.

Are you taking discord too seriously now?

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I'm not looking for your sympathy. And you're right, I am a mod in a political forum. That means I'll have views that disagrees with your own. That means I might have actions that appear biased to you, but isn't, because you only see it from your perspective.
I see your actions. You used me as an example. "This place needed some moderation and this is an example why.". Sound familiar? Look, I don't give a rats patoot about who agrees or disagrees with me. I do care when people in power abuse that power and trust. In my eyes and many others you deleted my post because you didn't agree with it. Then you locked a perfectly good thread because you didn't agree with it. Is it a coincidence that both dealt with right wing media bias? You see, I don't think that it is. I think that you set out to go into the P&R forum and set things 'right' politically. I think you intentionally singled me out as an example. And I think that you closed down Jay's post because it was critical of a fox news host. There isn't a 'your prospective' - 'my prospective' issue here. Your actions are your own. I'm just the unlucky sod that had to witness them and then felt morally obligated to point them out.

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I can get along with people from all extremes of the political spectrum. You yourself stated you can't get along with anyone who supports Trump or Republicans. By de facto standard, I am going to be on your bad side pretty much all the time regardless of what I do. I, unfortunately, can't do anything about that.
Look, I understand what you are trying to do here. This is an attempt to turn this argument against me and label me as the one that is the bad guy.

'I can get along with people from all extremes---You yourself stated you can't get along with anyone who supports Trump---By de facto standard, I am going to be on your bad side...'

Whatever man. I'm not the one in power. I'm not the one that labeled themselves and the conservative mod. I'm not the one that deleted posts and shut down thread critical to right wing media.

That was you.

Like I said, I'm the guy pointing out your mistakes. Rest assured that I'm the kind of person that would point them out to whoever. I don't really care.

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The 6+ page thread actually gives a good idea why I was made mod. It didn't just happen overnight, it took discussions over the current state of P&R before the role was offered to me and we knew it wasn't going to be smooth from the getgo.
It also lists quite a few reasons why you shouldn't be a mod as well.

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As for bad judgment, we all make bad judgements. Like I said, looking back I should have guided you on topic instead of outright deleting your post.
If it were just one thing then I'm sure most of us would have been fine with it. I was at the time. Most of the rest were too. But it wasn't just one thing, was it? It was a pattern of bad judgement. And what an odd coincidence that both the actions in question were associated with criticisms about right wing media.

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So is that it? You have a problem with my political leanings and being mod at the same time? What if my political leanings were the same as Shrike? What if Shrike was on the polar opposite of the political spectrum yet still made the same amount of threads praising, rather than criticizing, Trump? Would that have affected your posting presence in P&R?
I think that you are missing the point. I believe that your political leanings are affecting your 'judgement calls'. I've been saying that all along. You are deleting posts and threads that are critical to your politics and your 'reasons' do not make logical sense. You deleted my post because it was a red herring that only you could see. You closed a thread because you could see it wasn't 'going to go very well' from 2 posts. Both were critical of right wing news. It is a pattern.

And trust me, had shrike deleted a thread critical of left leaning news without merit and then deleted a post about the same I'd have called him out too. If it was a pattern of abuse like I see with your actions I'd have left as well.

You see, you seem to be missing the point here. Your actions have dictated my actions and other posters actions. You deleting posts and closing threads is causing people to leave. I don't blame them.

It's all about judgement. Just look at your interaction with me. In one single post you said I had 'serious perception flaws clouding your judgement', you then accused me of making assumptions about you when I was asking questions of you, and then called me snide... How on God's green earth is that showing any good judgement as a mod? I believe that you absolutely should not be a moderator on this or any other forum. And I believe that your actions and patterns in the P&R forum, here, and in other areas of this board are perfect examples of why you should not be a mod.

Like I said, I'd love to come back to P&R but I will not be there if you are still a mod there.
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From my perspective:

Exposed wrongly shut down the thread based on Jay's past performance. NOT because Jay was criticizing right wing media. I think you know this, andino, but you would prefer the narrative to be what you have expressed because that's more convenient to your goal of getting him removed as a mod.

As for the other thing or two, I have no comment because I don't know the details.
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Exposed wrongly shut down the thread based on Jay's past performance. NOT because Jay was criticizing right wing media. I think you know this, andino, but you would prefer the narrative to be what you have expressed because that's more convenient to your goal of getting him removed as a mod.

As for the other thing or two, I have no comment because I don't know the details.
How is that any better?

The thread was fine. It was a discussion on how to spot dishonest arguments. It was shut down for "Inflammatory thread title and baiting post."...

The only thing 'baiting' about the post was that it was critical of right wing media. It's a political forum. People should be able to post more sensitive stuff in there. If this is a baiting post then what are we to think about Exposed posting threads about Joe Biden having dementia? Is that not 'baiting' too?

The title was, "Only You Can Prevent Bullshit Debate Tactics!". Not inflammatory at all...

The second post in the thread was critical of Fox News as well.

Then Exposed closed it down.

I still stand behind my assessment.
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I agree, the thread on its own was fine. He put a lot of work into it. However, wrapped in the context of many of the OP's previous posts and general attitude towards people who question him, it could easily be seen as setting the stage for a flame war.
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