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Old Jan 14, 2019, 02:16 PM   #91
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64 is still plenty for 4k tho. I had some 8k fantasies...

Im still wondering how that huge memory bw and amount will come into play. Ocing will be fun too. Looking forward to reviews. FP 64 is in there too...
Sorry Pax FP64 is the same as Vega 64. It's been disabled so as not to cannibalize sales of the Instinct cards. Here's the link..https://techgage.com/news/radeon-vii...4-performance/
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Old Jan 14, 2019, 02:48 PM   #92
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if it beets my 1080 ti strix in reviews I may get one or two

but will wait for a single strix or two water cooled cards

don't like the looks of the fans on stock Radeon 7


and give the 1080 ti to my sister for wow at 4k
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Old Jan 14, 2019, 10:02 PM   #93
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Sorry Pax FP64 is the same as Vega 64. It's been disabled so as not to cannibalize sales of the Instinct cards. Here's the link..https://techgage.com/news/radeon-vii...4-performance/
Shouldnt be too surprised. At this point I hope to see what ocing headroom it might have. Tho its just first gen 7nm and thats always modest on a new node.
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Old Jan 15, 2019, 12:16 PM   #94
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Finally:

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu...mYPcYvCDlBUsOE


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AMD's Radeon VII Supports DirectML - An Alternative to DLSS?
In a recent interview with 4 Gamers (Source in Japanise), AMD's Adam Kozak confirmed that their upcoming Radeon VII graphics card would support DirectML, a Machine Learning (ML) extension to DirectX.

Think of DirectML as the Machine Learning equivalent of DXR (DirectX Raytracing), allowing DirectX 12 to support advanced features and utilise AI to improve future games.

An example of how AI can be seen in Nvidia's DLSS (Deep Learning Super Sampling) technology, which uses a Deep Learning algorithm to boost game performance while offering a final image that can provide superior image quality to TAA (Temporal Anti Aliasing). In the past, Microsoft has showcased DirectML achieving similar feats, which means that there may soon be a multi-vendor alternative to Nvidia's DLSS technology.

DirectML supports all DirectX 12 compliant hardware, much like DXR, and like DXR it can also exploit the hardware acceleration capabilities of modern graphics architectures. In effect, this will allow developers to access hardware features like Nvidia's Tensor cores, just like how DXR enables developers to utilise Turing's RT cores. In the case of DirectML, the performance of AMD's Radeon VII could be used to deliver a "DLSS-like" effect, but using an approach that will work on Radeon hardware.

AMD's Adam Kozak stated that the (translated) "Radeon VII shows excellent results" when the company experimented with DirectML.
Hope they bring it to Vega 64.
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Hope they bring it to Vega 64.[/quote]

Now that would be nice as unlike the Turing cards Vega VII doesn't have any special cores running things.
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Old Jan 15, 2019, 04:39 PM   #96
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Hope they bring it to Vega 64.
Now that would be nice as unlike the Turing cards Vega VII doesn't have any special cores running things.[/quote]


do we know that ?


they have showed very little about it
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Now that would be nice as unlike the Turing cards Vega VII doesn't have any special cores running things.


do we know that ?


they have showed very little about it
Because Vega VII is just a lower binned Radeon Instinct MI50 die which doesn't have any dedicated AI cores.
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Old Jan 15, 2019, 06:37 PM   #98
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Because Vega VII is just a lower binned Radeon Instinct MI50 die which doesn't have any dedicated AI cores.
NV DLSS deep learning super sampling



isn't Radeon Instinct all about deep learning ?

they can't turn some of the parts unused for gaming on for something like DLSS ?

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The Radeon Instinct™ MI50 server accelerator designed on the world’s first 7nm FinFET technology process brings customers a full-feature set based on the industry newest technologies. The MI50 is AMD’s workhorse accelerator offering that is ideal for large scale deep learning. Delivering 26.8 TFLOPS of native half-precision (FP16) or 13.4 TFLOPS single-precision (FP32) peak floating point performance and INT8 support and combined with 16GB of high-bandwidth HBM2 ECC memory2, the Radeon Instinct™ MI50 brings customers the compute and memory performance needed for enterprise-class, mid-range compute capable of training complex neural networks for a variety of demanding machine deep learning applications in a cost-effective design.
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AMD Radeon Vega VII Will Feature 64 ROPs and Botched Down FP64 Support – Rumored To Have Less Than 5000 Units With No AIB Models
https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-vega...-fp64-compute/

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NV DLSS deep learning super sampling



isn't Radeon Instinct all about deep learning ?

they can't turn some of the parts unused for gaming on for something like DLSS ?





https://www.amd.com/en/products/prof...saAkhYEALw_wcB
They're running the AI stuff on the shaders...
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I want to try for one of these radeon 7. What are good sites to look for stock or to try for a pre-order? Thanks! (I already signed up for nowinstock)

Edit: Oh I see supply may not be too tight after all: https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu...pply_rumours/1

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I want to try for one of these radeon 7. What are good sites to look for stock or to try for a pre-order? Thanks! (I already signed up for nowinstock)

Edit: Oh I see supply may not be too tight after all: https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu...pply_rumours/1
better news thanks

newegg and amazon


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I will wait for reviews if they look good I want a watercooled or a strix

hope they are out before March 15
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AMD: Radeon VII Has Excellent Results with DirectML; We Could Try a GPGPU Approach for Something NVIDIA DLSS-like
https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-vii-...sult-directml/
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This kind of has me peeked:


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At last year’s Game Developers Conference 2018, Microsoft announced a framework “Windows ML” for developing machine learning based applications on the Windows 10 platform, and “DirectML” that makes it available from DirectX12.
We are currently experimenting with the preview version SDK of DirectML, but Radeon VII shows excellent results so far.

By the way, Radeon VII scored about 1.62 times the GeForce RTX 2080 in “Luxmark” which utilizes an OpenCL-based GPGPU-like ray tracing renderer.
Based on these facts, I think NVIDIA’s DLSS-like thing can be done with a GPGPU-like approach for our GPU.
Tells me they should be able to do this on Vega one. Dont care for RT but DLSS is a def potential perf booster...
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