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Old Nov 29, 2017, 09:32 AM   #1
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Essential founder and CEO Andy Rubin has taken a leave of absence from his new company for “personal reasons” following a report on the circumstances of his 2014 departure from Google. According to The Information, Rubin left Google shortly after an investigation found that he had maintained an “inappropriate relationship” with a woman who worked under him and filed a complaint to HR.

The nature of that relationship isn’t detailed in the report, and Rubin’s spokesperson Mike Sitrick denies the connection. “Any relationship that Mr. Rubin had while at Google was consensual,” Sitrick tells The Information.
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Old Nov 29, 2017, 09:54 AM   #2
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This is seriously getting dumb. As if these females don't know what they are doing. There needs to start being counter-sues.
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Old Nov 29, 2017, 09:57 AM   #3
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This is seriously getting dumb. As if these females don't know what they are doing. There needs to start being counter-sues.
Do you know the details of the case? No? Then why do you jump to such a conclusion?

For all we know the gal that filed the HR complaint could have a real case. Or she could have lied. We simply don't know. I think it's hilarious that so many of you immediately jump on the "they're all lying" or "they were complicit" when in reality you have no idea.
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"I consented but I regret it so... reasons." Is the impression I'm getting from some of these cases. Let's see what actually turns up before he gets crucified... oh wait, too late.
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"I consented but I regret it so... reasons." Is the impression I'm getting from some of these cases. Let's see what actually turns up before he gets crucified... oh wait, too late.
Yeah or let's wait find out the details of the case before we call the woman a liar or say that she consented. Oh wait, too late
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Do you know the details of the case? No? Then why do you jump to such a conclusion?

For all we know the gal that filed the HR complaint could have a real case. Or she could have lied. We simply don't know. I think it's hilarious that so many of you immediately jump on the "they're all lying" or "they were complicit" when in reality you have no idea.
I know this because it's a case started by a female.
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Old Nov 29, 2017, 10:01 AM   #7
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I know this because it's a case started by a female.
About sums it up - a handful of you here are merely the male version of feminazi's; you're doing no different then what you decry about them.
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Yeah or let's wait find out the details of the case before we call the woman a liar or say that she consented. Oh wait, too late
A lot of good that does after the fact. Reputations and careers are already ruined. I highly doubt that stuff would be repaired as easily as it was instantly taken down in most of these cases.
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A lot of good that does after the fact. Reputations and careers are already ruined. I highly doubt that stuff would be repaired as easily as it was instantly taken down in most of these cases.
Or he really did something illegal or perverse to her... and thus she should come forward about it. If it turns out later to be a false allegation, not only is that an arrestable offense, that's also libel and grounds for suit.

This is why we should wait for details and evidence before coming to conclusions either way... which is all my point is. A lot of you guys are making your minds up already, which isn't very logical considering you don't know the case.
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Or he really did something illegal or perverse to her... and thus she should come forward about it. If it turns out later to be a false allegation, not only is that an arrestable offense, that's also libel and grounds for suit.

This is why we should wait for details and evidence before coming to conclusions either way... which is all my point is. A lot of you guys are making your minds up already, which isn't very logical considering you don't know the case.
It's suppose to be innocent until proven guilty. People losing their careers and reputation before anything is proven is incredibly harsh. I absolutely agree that we should wait for details and evidence. My point (at least from my view), is that's not happening.

All a woman has to seemingly do right now is yell real loud and some guy gets burned horribly before the evidence that you keep saying we should wait for is presented. You don't think that's backwards or favorable to women? Seems strange.
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It's suppose to be innocent until proven guilty. People losing their careers and reputation before anything is proven is incredibly harsh. I absolutely agree that we should wait for details and evidence. My point (at least from my view), is that's not happening.

All a woman has to seemingly do right now is yell real loud and some guy gets burned horribly before the evidence that you keep saying we should wait for is presented. You don't think that's backwards or favorable to women? Seems strange.
But if he really did something bad to her, should she not come forward about it?

Considering he was investigated for inappropriate behavior at his past job and he resigned because of it, I'm inclined to think they have something against him and it's not all just made up. Unless you think that the investigators and the entire HR department are in on a conspiracy against him also for some reason.

Either way, 'innocent until proven guilty' is strictly legal concept applicable only in a court of law in order to legally convict someone of a crime. It is not in any way applicable to the court of public opinion which is protected by the first amendment; nor is it applicable to private companies who have their own rules of standards of employee behavior. A private company can absolutely fire anyone they want before legal guilt is determined. Sometimes simple fraternization is a fireable offense. Hell in many states, a private company can fire someone without any cause.

Fact is that innocent until proven guilty will only apply to him in a courtroom.
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But if he really did something bad to her, should she not come forward about it?

Considering he was investigated for inappropriate behavior at his past job and he resigned because of it, I'm inclined to think they have something against him and it's not all just made up. Unless you think that the investigators and the entire HR department are in on a conspiracy against him also for some reason.

Either way, 'innocent until proven guilty' is strictly legal concept applicable only in a court of law in order to legally convict someone of a crime. It is not in any way applicable to the court of public opinion which is protected by the first amendment; nor is it applicable to private companies who have their own rules of standards of employee behavior. A private company can absolutely fire anyone they want before legal guilt is determined. Sometimes simple fraternization is a fireable offense. Hell in many states, a private company can fire someone without any cause.

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Yeah or let's wait find out the details of the case before we call the woman a liar or say that she consented. Oh wait, too late
Or we could wait and find out the details of the cases before we call the guy a sexual predator. Just saying...
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Except I never called him a sexual predator, so I'm not sure where you got that from. In fact I've said many times that I don't know if she's lying or if he did it - and to you somehow that means I'm calling him a sexual predator. Reading comprehension ftw.

See unlike you and others here who have already formed your conclusions, I've come to no conclusions because the details I know of the case are not enough to form any major conclusions; outside of that he was investigated after a complaint and he resigned after.
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And who here said he was a sexual predator? Not me - I never said that.

Simply pointing out that we don't know the details of the case and thus we shouldn't draw conclusions doesn't mean I'm saying I'm on the side of the accuser and I know she's not lying. I honestly don't know where you guys get this stuff from what I actually said. Again all I've said is we don't know if she's lying or if he really did it - because we don't.
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And who here said he was? Not me.

Again all I've said is we don't know
I've pointed no fingers or mentioned anyone.

It sure seems like these articles and reports are instantly nailing these guys down before anything is actually proven. Just an observation, right or wrong. The frequency that it's happening within he past few weeks sure reeks of a witch hunt as others have mentioned. The whole thing is just suspicious as hell.
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I've pointed no fingers or mentioned anyone.

It sure seems like these articles and reports are instantly nailing these guys down before anything is actually proven. Just an observation, right or wrong. The frequency that it's happening within he past few weeks sure reeks of a witch hunt as others have mentioned. The whole thing is just suspicious as hell.
Ah, so your doubts and idea that it's a witch hunt comes from the sudden frequency. I can see where you're coming from there, but that's not the only reason all these women could all of sudden be coming out.

Here's an example I like to use - not exactly apples to apples but close enough: For hundreds of years nobody could break the 4 minute mile barrier for running. Then Roger Bannister did it once in 1954, running a mile in 3:59.4 seconds. You know what happened after that? Runner after runner after runner started breaking the 4 minute barrier. By the next year there were dozens and dozens of people who broke a record that nobody could break for centuries.

Why did it happen all of a sudden with such frequency when nobody could do it before for centuries? Because it's mental.

The point here is that yes, it could be a witch hunt - or there could be other reasons. Like the mental aspect - maybe now women feel empowered to say something that happened to them before when previously they kept silent because they were afraid. Once someone first broke that barrier and they saw that it's possible, others start to do it. The frequency of all this all of a sudden doesn't mean it has to be a witch hunt...

Hell Terry Crews just came out about being the victim of sexual assault that happened a while back, simply because he felt empowered to say something now that others are. It took him years to say something - and he's a big friggin black guy. If it's tough for him, imagine how some women feel.
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You can have a consensual relationship with someone at work that is still inappropriate, especially when it comes to promotions/raises/responsibilities. Of course, we don't know anything about this situation, we may find out more later, so it's hard to speculate beyond that.
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It is not in any way applicable to the court of public opinion which is protected by the first amendment
I fully support individuals' First Amendment rights. However the court of public opinion sucks. It's as fickle and biased as they come. It waits for little or no real evidence before coming to a conclusion. It's only getting worse and I blame social media.

Just some food for thought but how many of these women had their lives ruined by whatever they allege these men did? Meanwhile their insistence on jumping on the "MeToo" bandwagon is actually ruining lives.
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Old Nov 29, 2017, 01:14 PM   #25
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Why do these things have to be made public?
Tabloids pay good money, people feel pity and offer work / other benefits, personal vendetta. Who knows.

I'm more concerned that even accusations now crucify people - much if I were to suggest that <insert person here> is a pedophile in real life, his/her reputation could be utterly destroyed despite me talking out of my ass and there would be literally nothing he/she could do to undo the damage.

Yes, I would suffer later on but I would have gained my ultimate goal anyway.
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Old Nov 29, 2017, 01:55 PM   #26
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I fully support individuals' First Amendment rights. However the court of public opinion sucks. It's as fickle and biased as they come. It waits for little or no real evidence before coming to a conclusion. It's only getting worse and I blame social media.


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Just some food for thought but how many of these women had their lives ruined by whatever they allege these men did? Meanwhile their insistence on jumping on the "MeToo" bandwagon is actually ruining lives.
Like I give a **** if they have their lives ruined if they really did it. If the men really did it then they should face repercussions; actions should have consequences. But that goes both ways, if a woman lies about it then throw the book at her, but automatically assuming that all these women are merely lying doesn't jive with me - no more than automatically assuming all these men are guilty jives with me.

How about we judge each case on a individual basis regardless of how many there are all of a sudden?
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Old Nov 29, 2017, 02:00 PM   #27
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Why do these things have to be made public? If a person feels they were violated in some way file a police report, let the (unfortunately slow) wheels of justice work.
Why does the media report on potential crimes? Ratings.

Hell the entire show of Cops is dedicated to making alleged criminals public as it happens. If there wasn't an audience for it they wouldn't do it.
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Why does the media report on potential crimes? Ratings.

Hell the entire show of Cops is dedicated to making alleged criminals public as it happens. If there wasn't an audience for it they wouldn't do it.
As much as comedy gold as Anchorman 2 is, it's legit.
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You can have a consensual relationship with someone at work that is still inappropriate, especially when it comes to promotions/raises/responsibilities.
True, and it's fair to be fired from your job for it. However, I don't think it's an offense that you should be fired from your next job for.

Some mistakes follow you for a long time (like being a sexual predator). I just don't think a consensual but inappropriate office relationship is one of them.
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