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Old Feb 27, 2010, 10:09 AM   #1
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Videocard AMD, NVIDIA Lose Share As Intel Leads The Graphics Market

Intel is really putting a hurting on NVIDIA and AMD. Is the discrete GPU becoming irrelevant as larger desktops and notebooks are supposedly losing sales and mindshare to smaller devices and hype about cloud gaming services?

According to a recent Jon Peddie Research report, Intel (NASDAQ:INTC) increased its graphics chip market share to 55.2% driven by strong Atom sales while Nvidia’s (NASDAQ:NVDA) share declined to 24.3% and AMD’s (NYSE:AMD) share declined slightly to 19.9%. Let’s take a closer look.

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Old Feb 27, 2010, 12:18 PM   #2
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IGPs have ALWAYS outsold discrete graphics. Volume doesn't mean everything. IGPs are sold at little to no profit as part of a platform. Discrete graphics cards are generally sold with pretty healthy margins in the 40-50% range on average.
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Old Feb 27, 2010, 12:33 PM   #3
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Can't wait to see what Fusion does to this.
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Old Feb 27, 2010, 12:42 PM   #4
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Can't wait to see what Fusion does to this.
Me too! Though I'm more interested in Fusion as a co-processor than a GPU.
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Depends how coupled Fusion is with the CPU, meaning if it is really a Fusion of technology. If so then I expect Intel via cross-license aggreement to get access to it. If AMD puts the shader cores coupled with the CPU core but keeps the ROP's and other stuff separate or even off die then Intel could be locked out in a sort of fashing meaning they would have to provide the rest and drivers as well to make it all work. I too am more interested in the processing side and how well it will be transparent to programs and the OS. Meaning if it can not only accelerate programs made from it but older programs as well done prior to Fusion.
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Depends how coupled Fusion is with the CPU, meaning if it is really a Fusion of technology. If so then I expect Intel via cross-license aggreement to get access to it. If AMD puts the shader cores coupled with the CPU core but keeps the ROP's and other stuff separate or even off die then Intel could be locked out in a sort of fashing meaning they would have to provide the rest and drivers as well to make it all work. I too am more interested in the processing side and how well it will be transparent to programs and the OS. Meaning if it can not only accelerate programs made from it but older programs as well done prior to Fusion.
The whole cross license agreement may not be as cut and dry for this as some might think since clearly, AMD does not have access to the technology that lets Intel produce faster processors at this point.
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The whole cross license agreement may not be as cut and dry for this as some might think since clearly, AMD does not have access to the technology that lets Intel produce faster processors at this point.
This should have been settled with the settlement between Intel and AMD. Prior to the settlement the cross license agreement was on hold. Supposenly it is better then ever now. I still think the cross license agreement will be applicable if shaders cores are directly tied to the X86 core which I hope Fusion is all about. Still maybe not because I am not sure if AMD has yet to make public what a Fusion CPU will be. Now I will go out on a limb here and say (my best guess) that this is indeed what AMD agreed with Intel which prompted Intel to pay up over 1 billion dollars and scrape the Larrabee project since Fusion would make it obsolete anyways plus Intel will get most or part of the technology. Intel/AMD do have a common threat which is Nvidia with Fermi which looks like less of a threat as time goes on . The threat is X86 performance for main frames, servers, HPC etc. compared to Fermi per cost and per watt. Now of course that looks less of a threat now but what comes after Fermi maybe rather real and make current generations of X86 processors obsolete.
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this % BS doesn't make sense.
it's news that more and more people are buying up these $300 netbook atom things? OF course lots will be sold, this pushes the % of nvidia/amd chips down. The % is not what anyone should be looking at. Look at the actual # sold and see if it went up or down.
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Good point! What are the numbers for desktop and laptops? I do believe ATI numbers are going up for both significantly compared to last year.
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Again the common misconception comes up regarding cross licensing/patent sharing. Just because you have access, doesn't mean you can utilize the IP effectively. Suppose I gave you access to all of Intel and AMD's patents. Could you build a processor? And yes AMD does have access to Intel's processor IP, just as Intel has full access to AMD's graphics tech.

The cross licensing agreement allows AMD and Intel to use each others tech without fear of legal action. It doesn't help either build anything faster, cheaper, or better outside of the scope of what the tech itself is capable of in the first place. Does anyone think Ford could build a Ferrari even if they had access to all of Ferarri's patents? The answer is no. They don't have the factories, the staff, the experience, the history, the engineers etc.

As for market share, I'd like to see a breakdown of the dollar value, not just the # of display output devices shipped.
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So basically you are saying Intel will have Fusion if it is connected to the X86 (Fused). If they are successful or not with the tech will be up to them.
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What exactly is Intel going to "fuse" their CPU tech with? That's the point, Intel doesn't have anything decent in graphics, so their version of Fusion will basically suck. They are free to make their own leading edge GPU without fear of patent infringement. Of course they have to actually come up with leading edge graphics, an incredibly challenging venture.
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Now let's see some Athlon Neo Fusions in netbooks...
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