Ryzen 5000 and beyond

[howard stern]

AMD has 5800x cpu's in stock on their website now. 4:34 EST

[pax]

Did read that bioses are still being tuned and there are claims that the next round 1.2.0.0. will target fclk so Id wait. Its the first major revision of the ryzen core design so not surprised theres work on the bios side of things left to do.

Id be happy with 3800 and think 4000 is a bit of a silicon lotto thing.

[KAC]

There is literally no real world difference between 3600/3733/3800/4000 in gaming. You may get 1-2 FPS. You can easily achieve that by clocking your GPU.

Unless you are heavy into productivity and have a dog chasing your ass to get that blender run down by 1-2 seconds I am not sure what is the point of pushing the FCLK?

Would love to understand where is the real world benefit so I can try to hit this too. Anyways, MSI is still on the 1.9.0.0. And some ASUS boards with 1.2.0.0 are having severe stability issues.

I don't believe a bios will magically give DDR4 4000 for all if the silicon is not willing. Unless they fix the massive over volting in the PBO2 algorithm I doubt this will be possible.

[Nagorak]

I would be happy with 3733. Kind of annoyed about being stuck at 3666. Does it matter? No, not really. Real world difference is next to nothing. (Of course, if we go down that road, gaming at 1440P there's barely a difference between a 5900X and an 8700K, or for that matter a Ryzen 3600.)

I guess it's basically like getting a CPU that is a bad overclocker and only does 5.1 GHz instead of 5.2 GHz. The difference doesn't really matter, but it's annoying because you want the best.

But, that's life for you, so assuming I can get it stable I'll just accept it. I am running a 1.2.0.0 bios on my B550-F so that may also be part of the issue.

[Gregor976]

5800x available as of this post.


https://www.amd.com/en/direct-buy/us


5900x was available when I first refreshed, but gone before I could add it to cart.

[SSXeon]

Originally Posted by Gregor976

5800x available as of this post.


https://www.amd.com/en/direct-buy/us


5900x was available when I first refreshed, but gone before I could add it to cart.

Yeah man that is how it was for me. I lucked out at BB, check the in stock videos on youtube, I linked one above that is good. The new link is here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAp4ounML94


Good luck!!

[MangaSpawn64]

I ordered a 5900x in the begining of september. Haven't received it yet. Local shop said he didn't receive any since they launched and he called his distributor today and they said he won't get them for at least 3-5 weeks.

They have all my parts (mobo, ram, SSD) but I'm SOL since I can't build my setup.

I asked him if he had an older used processor that he could sell me and he doesn't sell used part HOWEVER he told me he has a couple of 5800X that he usually save for complete builds and he'd be willing to sell me one since I've waited over 2 and a half month (and more if they don't receive their share of 5900). Would be 667 CDN + taxes... It would tide me over and allow me to finally build my computer.

Do you think I'll be able to easily sell the used 5800 when I receive my 5900 ?

It's still another 700 bucks that I wasn't planning to spend (gf is kinda against this since it cost me a lot this year for hobbies - RC Cars, new computer - 3080 + Ryzen 5000, new phone...)

[KAC]

Yes you will be able to sell the 5800x

[SSXeon]

Originally Posted by MangaSpawn64

I ordered a 5900x in the begining of september. Haven't received it yet. Local shop said he didn't receive any since they launched and he called his distributor today and they said he won't get them for at least 3-5 weeks.

They have all my parts (mobo, ram, SSD) but I'm SOL since I can't build my setup.

I asked him if he had an older used processor that he could sell me and he doesn't sell used part HOWEVER he told me he has a couple of 5800X that he usually save for complete builds and he'd be willing to sell me one since I've waited over 2 and a half month (and more if they don't receive their share of 5900). Would be 667 CDN + taxes... It would tide me over and allow me to finally build my computer.

Do you think I'll be able to easily sell the used 5800 when I receive my 5900 ?

It's still another 700 bucks that I wasn't planning to spend (gf is kinda against this since it cost me a lot this year for hobbies - RC Cars, new computer - 3080 + Ryzen 5000, new phone...)

Yeah I am with KAC, just don't use the sticker and keep everything together you should be fine. Are you getting it MSRP? You can prob sell it MSRP or more on ebay even used, considering they go for aboutr $600 USD new (amazon).

[Nagorak]

I would look realistically at whether your CPU is actually holding you back significantly. If not, I'd just wait and do the build once, rather than have the hassle of buying a 5800X and then needing to resell it.

If you're going to do that I'd go for something inexpensive like a 3600 instead.

[pax]

https://twitter.com/3DCenter_org/sta...99589562486785

Zen 3+, Zen 4, Zen 5 rumors from "Chips & Cheese". New mag, so don't know if reliable,

Zen 4
– IPC gains over 25%
– total performance gain of 40%
– 5GHz all-core
...

https://chipsandcheese.com/2021/02/0...d-future-cpus/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWqurK7_zlg&t=852s

Sounding pretty good and would allow amd to leapfrog intel after intel leaps past amd with ADL...

[Nunz]

Chipsandcheese .. come on pax

[acroig]

Originally Posted by Nunz

Chipsandcheese .. come on pax

[12Bass]

Add some bacon bits and sour cream and I'm in!

[Shapeshifter]

most rumors place Warhol (zen 3+) as coming out sometime in Q4 this year. still on AM4. more like the jump from zen to zen+ in terms of improvements then zen to zen 2 or zen 2 to 3.

the 400/300 series of boards will not support it officially.

small ipc gain and some clock bumps.

I bet probably the big advertising thing will be an official 5ghz boost advertised, considering many 5000 cpus can already do that.

[Nunz]

I'm sure they'll talk about 4000Mhz fclk too

Still not sold on Warhol being on AM4. I'm sorta expecting it to be a new Threadripper.

[SuperGeil]

Originally Posted by Nunz

I'm sure they'll talk about 4000Mhz fclk too

Still not sold on Warhol being on AM4. I'm sorta expecting it to be a new Threadripper.

I don't see two thread rippers in one year. Would be more surprised if it was not AM4.

[Nunz]

Originally Posted by SuperGeil

I don't see two thread rippers in one year. Would be more surprised if it was not AM4.

If it's not a Threadripper update for 5000 series, then yeah, definitely AM4. It's certainly not going to be AM5, that's for sure.

I don't really see the point in Warhol in that case, then. They can barely keep stock of what they have out now; and they're going to release a refresh on top of that? Seems strange. I'm curious what performance increases we'll see in that case, especially since this will finally HOPEFULLY be the end of AM4.

Bring on AM5, Alder Lake, and DDR5 baby. Weeeeeeeeee!

[pax]

Originally Posted by Nunz

Chipsandcheese .. come on pax

I guess its either an inside joke or some cultural reference or all the cool tech names were taken for their site... but really they have some good sources for this.

TPU reposted the info:

https://www.techpowerup.com/278321/a...ost-over-zen-3

[KAC]

Will Zen 4 be more exciting than Zen 3?

[pax]

I think the 25+% ipc gains will come from many parts from ddr5 to pcie5 to 5nm and higher clocks and bigger transistor budget per core ect... its not that hard to see all those things come together to give us another big boost in ipc.

Warhol will just be Zen3+, like Zen+ was to first gen Zen, but may make sense for those of us who dont care to pay crazy banana prices for cpus right now. I think next time we can expect amd to devote much more wafer allocation to cpus.

[SuperGeil]

Originally Posted by KAC

Will Zen 4 be more exciting than Zen 3?

One of the most interesting rumors about Zen 4 was the little core inside a big core design, which is a bit different route I believe that Alder Lake is going, which seems like a little core outside a big core design. Such a set up could mean better scalability with the little cores. Meaning they may not have to have a set reduced instruction set.

[Nascar24]

Any of the new Ryzens you want are in stock at least at my Microcenter.

[KAC]

Yes supply has been good past couple of weeks. I heard Detroit, Michigan and some NY MCs had a ton of stock. However, if it were me I would buy a 10850K or 10900K combo deal at an MC, save money and hassle and call it a day. Actually, would even get a Z590 board and then return the processor within their return policy and get RKL in March or something.

[acroig]

Originally Posted by KAC

Yes supply has been good past couple of weeks. I heard Detroit, Michigan and some NY MCs had a ton of stock. However, if it were me I would buy a 10850K or 10900K combo deal at an MC, save money and hassle and call it a day. Actually, would even get a Z590 board and then return the processor within their return policy and get RKL in March or something.

Or wait another 4 weeks?

Save more time and hassle.

[Nascar24]

they had about 20 each of the 5900X and 5950X, All gone now, Still have over 25 each of the 5600X and 5800X though.

[pax]

Meanwhile Canada...

I guess itll take another month or 2 to catch up to the US stoick levels. Sad cuz they just had the Asus Tuf X570 on sale 210$ CAD.

[badsykes]

[bill dennison]

Scalping Pricing Trends Suggest Ryzen 5000 Supply Improving

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/sc...pply-improving