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Old Apr 1, 2013, 05:02 PM   #1
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Kantar World Panel has released it's U.S. market analysis for the three month period ending February 2013. While Android slipped into the number one spot with 51.2%, ahead of iOS, our Windows Phones has made a nice jump with its market share.

Compared to the same period in 2012, Windows Phone's market share went from 2.7% to 4.1%. Apple experienced a decline falling from 47% to 43.5% and RIM fell from 3.6% to 0.7%.

As far as U.S. carrier sales of smartphones is concerned, Kantar World indicates that Verizon is the top carrier with 35% with AT&T coming in second at 26.7%.


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Wow RIM tanked hard....does no one like Blackberries anymore? Is the Z10 even any good?
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Wow RIM tanked hard....does no one like Blackberries anymore? Is the Z10 even any good?
I think the numbers for the Z10 will likely show up when it is actually on sale in the US. It is currently not available.
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Z10 was actually launched last week in the US lol, talk about marketing fail. They're still doing well in some parts of the worlds though.
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Anyone else getting apple ads in their email. They have been spamming me with crap like 3-4 times a week past 2-3 weeks. It's like guys I already own everything your bragging to me about.
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Anyone else getting apple ads in their email. They have been spamming me with crap like 3-4 times a week past 2-3 weeks. It's like guys I already own everything your bragging to me about.
Ya, I'm not sure why Apple is sending me emails on products they know I already own. I think they are feeling the pressure.
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I think the numbers for the Z10 will likely show up when it is actually on sale in the US. It is currently not available.
oh really?

why would they do that....

I thought Nokia was dumb having their stupid 'carrier exclusivity' bs with the Nokia line...

Plus i also remember the BB Q40 (or whatever its called, the BB10 keypad model) is supposed to be out in April too.
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There's still a market for BBs though it's dwindling, especially if measured by new subscriptions over the past year.

The Z10 is kind of like the 920, good as a platform flagship device but crippled by a lacking ecosystem and brand reputation. Z10 will help BB stay relevant for a little bit longer but they really need to step up their game (and fire their advertising/PR people) to regain traction.
Well, the numbers for WP are up, so not sure how "crippled" the 920 is

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oh really?

why would they do that....

I thought Nokia was dumb having their stupid 'carrier exclusivity' bs with the Nokia line...

Plus i also remember the BB Q40 (or whatever its called, the BB10 keypad model) is supposed to be out in April too.
I agree, the 920 should have been launched on all platforms, but alas, Nokia doesn't have the deep pockets of a Samsung or an Apple.

Still, with the 928 out shortly for Verizon, it's not a total loss.
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Well, the numbers for WP are up, so not sure how "crippled" the 920 is
Up is relative. WP's marketshare grew big percentage-wise, but overall it's still not a significant player compared to the market leaders. I get that you're in love with WP and your 920 but come on bro, be realistic
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Engadget had a much more biased take on this:

Windows phone sees big gains at the expense of Blackberry and Symbian

Completely ignoring the Apple losses and Android gains in the title... Apple loses 3.5% and that's "hardly a change..."
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And this is one of the main reasons why I develop my apps for that particular platform.....
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Engadget had a much more biased take on this:

Windows phone sees big gains at the expense of Blackberry and Symbian

Completely ignoring the Apple losses and Android gains in the title... Apple loses 3.5% and that's "hardly a change..."
I think when you look at it from a global standpoint, iOS has remained relatively steady. Android just continues to grow.
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Wow RIM tanked hard....does no one like Blackberries anymore? Is the Z10 even any good?
There's still a market for BBs though it's dwindling, especially if measured by new subscriptions over the past year.

The Z10 is kind of like the 920, good as a platform flagship device but crippled by a lacking ecosystem and brand reputation. Z10 will help BB stay relevant for a little bit longer but they really need to step up their game (and fire their advertising/PR people) to regain traction.
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What's it take for someone like Samsung or Facebook to use Android as the background and simply use their own scheme and call it a different OS? Wouldn't this push users NOT to use Google's services? I'm sure doing a search in Facebook is pretty much using Bing, so I'm pretty sure Google will start to have a problem with these moves Facebook/Samsung has taken lately.
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What's it take for someone like Samsung or Facebook to use Android as the background and simply use their own scheme and call it a different OS? Wouldn't this push users NOT to use Google's services? I'm sure doing a search in Facebook is pretty much using Bing, so I'm pretty sure Google will start to have a problem with these moves Facebook/Samsung has taken lately.
They'd probably get taken to court for trying that.
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The problem is that Android makers on the low end aren't making any real money.

It's basically like the netbook market. Apple is letting all their stupid competitors to fight over crumbs. Apple is doing well but a part of that is because their competitors are run by idiots. The quality of the executive leadership being produced by the Ivy League education system is rather self-evident these days.
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You misread what he's saying. He's talking manufacturer and you're highlighting Android in general.


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What's it take for someone like Samsung or Facebook to use Android as the background and simply use their own scheme and call it a different OS? Wouldn't this push users NOT to use Google's services? I'm sure doing a search in Facebook is pretty much using Bing, so I'm pretty sure Google will start to have a problem with these moves Facebook/Samsung has taken lately.
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They'd probably get taken to court for trying that.
Not really, that's basically what 'Facebook Home' is.
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You misread what he's saying. He's talking manufacturer and you're highlighting Android in general.
One manufacturer makes up the vast majority of Android phones sold. I said that specifically in my response.





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Not really, that's basically what 'Facebook Home' is.
No it isn't, Facebook Home is Android with a different launcher. Every manufacturer has their own launcher.
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One manufacturer makes up the vast majority of Android phones sold. I said that specifically in my response.
You did say that as a side, you highlighted Android in general. You missed and still are, what he was saying.



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Not really, its intended to be the only thing that people interact with on their phone, a complete replacement. Similar to how people used to, and some still do, think that AOL is the internet.
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One manufacturer makes up the vast majority of Android phones sold. I said that specifically in my response.
And I think that's the issue and why Samsung is spending so much on their marketing getting the name "Galaxy S" in people's minds. This go around, it seem they were hyping their "S" features way more than normal. Isn't Samsung working on their own OS called Tinzen that's based on Linux? isn't that why Google is a bit worried on Samsung having so much market share. I think Samsung using Android is simply buying them time until Tinzen is finished and getting a dedicated fanbase for the Galaxy S products, then dropped Android all together. Pretty clever, but we'll see how it plays out.
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What's it take for someone like Samsung or Facebook to use Android as the background and simply use their own scheme and call it a different OS? Wouldn't this push users NOT to use Google's services? I'm sure doing a search in Facebook is pretty much using Bing, so I'm pretty sure Google will start to have a problem with these moves Facebook/Samsung has taken lately.
Amazon is already doing something similar with the Kindle Fire. It uses Android as a base but with their own separate development path; a fork. It means that they can do whatever they want with the code, but they're basically on their own.

I think Google blocks Play Store access from forked versions since it could create compatibility issues, but I assume also to discourage forked versions as they move away from Google's ecosystem. Amazon have their own app store with it's own publishing and licensing system. So more work for Android developers who already have to worry about tons of phones with different hardware configurations.
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The rise in Microsoft is curious. But I'm sure the buyers of that phone become pissed once they realize the apps for Windows Phone 8 don't work on Windows tablets, and vise versa.

MS's mobile strategy is thoroughly flawed.
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The rise in Microsoft is curious. But I'm sure the buyers of that phone become pissed once they realize the apps for Windows Phone 8 don't work on Windows tablets, and vise versa.

MS's mobile strategy is thoroughly flawed.
People are buying Windows tablets?
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But seriously, what was MS thinking in not having universal apps for the phone and the tablet? Not to mention the confusion on the 3 different versions of the tablet which are all incompatible with each other. Bizarre.
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But seriously, what was MS thinking in not having universal apps for the phone and the tablet? Not to mention the confusion on the 3 different versions of the tablet which are all incompatible with each other. Bizarre.
I thought people wanted tablet specific apps
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