Go Back   Rage3D » Rage3D Discussion Area » Community and Site Discussions » Off Topic Lounge » Motoring
Rage3D Subscribe Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Motoring Anything that goes vroooom! and makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand up, this is the place.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old Jun 9, 2019, 07:43 PM   #1
Advertisement (Guests Only)

Login or Register to remove this ad
OverclockN'
Radeon Arctic Islands
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: United States Iowa
Posts: 22,937
OverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwards


Subscriber
Default 2016 Golf R

The new car I picked up a couple weeks back, a 2016 Golf R. Fully loaded with Dynamic Chassis Control, DSG, Blind Spot Warning, Lane Assist, Adaptive Cruise Control, Front Crash Avoidance, reverse cam, NAV, front/rear parking sensors, Rain Sensing Wipers, Fender Audio, and Apple Carplay/Android Auto.

Love it so far, except for all of the assisted driving aids. They are totally obnoxious, like the Adaptive Cruise Control (cant disable), Lane Assist, Auto Wipers, and Front Crash Avoidance. I've turned everything off at this point. The rest of it is quite a good package. The interior is fantastic material and build quality. The audio sounds GREAT to me, since I've never had a car with even a remotely decent stereo system.

The gearbox is bittersweet. Love it when I'm in attack mode and in a sporty mood, but it's not great from a dead stop as it creeps up slowly through the gears. It's great as it cranks through the gears very quickly. The DSG fart noise between shifts is mildly amusing, but mostly just silly. I'd turn that off too if I could.

Driving experience is good for a daily driver and halfway normal car. It's not GREAT, but it's good. Handling toward the limit is a little funny. Definitely front wheel drive balance in the corners. Brakes are good, and I feel like even though they have a great initial bite and feel at first like they are extremely good....there's something not quite analog and they don't feel like it has that bite/stopping power from high speeds. Which tells me it's all fake and over-boosted. But that's ok. We'll see how it does with better pads during a track day sometime in the future. Really though, it's just a decently balanced and fun car to get around in.

Won't go crazy with this thing, but I would like to do what they call a "stage 2" tune (I still find stages pointless). Which is basically a bit more aggressive tune with a downpipe that is required. Looking to go for the stage 1 tune right away along with the TCU tune for the DSG trans. Will take it to the dragstrip immediately after.

For now, some pics I snapped today. Not the greatest, but I've been busy lately.







__________________
In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity...Albert Einstein
-------------------------------------------------------

Last edited by OverclockN' : Jun 9, 2019 at 07:49 PM.
OverclockN' is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 9, 2019, 07:49 PM   #2
Greasy
Raiding Curio's Stable
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: United States NC
Posts: 13,489
Greasy has a basement full of buried neg-reppersGreasy has a basement full of buried neg-reppersGreasy has a basement full of buried neg-reppersGreasy has a basement full of buried neg-reppersGreasy has a basement full of buried neg-reppersGreasy has a basement full of buried neg-reppersGreasy has a basement full of buried neg-reppersGreasy has a basement full of buried neg-reppersGreasy has a basement full of buried neg-reppersGreasy has a basement full of buried neg-reppersGreasy has a basement full of buried neg-reppers


Default

Nice ride man! I drove my neighbors and fell in love with it. So much fun to drive!
Greasy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 9, 2019, 07:53 PM   #3
OverclockN'
Radeon Arctic Islands
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: United States Iowa
Posts: 22,937
OverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwards


Subscriber
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Greasy View Post
Nice ride man! I drove my neighbors and fell in love with it. So much fun to drive!
Thanks! Yeah, when considering the whole package...it's fantastic. I knew I had to have it after the first drive compared to everything I drove before it. May seem a little harsh on some parts of it...but it's just being critical and comparing to other things I've driven.

All things considered...this may be the best car I've ever owned. I have other cars that are better for a single purpose, but this is just a damn good car and does everything pretty well.
__________________
In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity...Albert Einstein
-------------------------------------------------------
OverclockN' is offline   Reply With Quote
Advertisement (Guests Only)
Login or Register to remove this ad
Old Jun 9, 2019, 08:45 PM   #4
Roadhog
Sausages
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,531
Roadhog can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficultyRoadhog can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficulty


Default

Awesome! Looks really clean! The audio is pretty good, but the sub kinda sucks. It can't put out really low sounds, it just cuts off.

Try setting a custom mode. Set the engine to sport, transmission to normal to improve the low rpm dsg shifts. The fart sound is just a byproduct of the engine changing timing to cut power so it can shift.

PS. Every complaint you have except for the DSG, you can tweak with OBDEleven.
Roadhog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 9, 2019, 09:34 PM   #5
OverclockN'
Radeon Arctic Islands
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: United States Iowa
Posts: 22,937
OverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwards


Subscriber
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roadhog_ View Post
Awesome! Looks really clean! The audio is pretty good, but the sub kinda sucks. It can't put out really low sounds, it just cuts off.

Try setting a custom mode. Set the engine to sport, transmission to normal to improve the low rpm dsg shifts. The fart sound is just a byproduct of the engine changing timing to cut power so it can shift.

PS. Every complaint you have except for the DSG, you can tweak with OBDEleven.
It's super clean. I noticed a small ding on the fender last week, so I'll get that pulled out soon. Other than that, it looks to be in fantastic condition. DSG service is getting done on Friday. I might take it to the dragstrip after that to get some baseline stock numbers. I don't think I'll be able to hold back from getting the stage 1 tunes this year.

I think I'm sold on OBDEleven. Is there a complete list somewhere of all the one-click coding things it supports for the Golf 7? It seems difficult to find that...
__________________
In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity...Albert Einstein
-------------------------------------------------------
OverclockN' is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 9, 2019, 09:44 PM   #6
Roadhog
Sausages
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,531
Roadhog can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficultyRoadhog can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficulty


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OverclockN' View Post
I think I'm sold on OBDEleven. Is there a complete list somewhere of all the one-click coding things it supports for the Golf 7? It seems difficult to find that...
The one click coding things will be in the App when you enter all your car info during setup. Most of the stuff you listed that you wanted to change would be manually by either adaptation channels, or long coding.

Like for example you can turn off the brake over boost, and tone down the assist level. That would not be done through the 1 click app. One thing to note, before you do ANY coding change, backup your control module configs. Just do a backup of all the modules and email them to yourself.

If you have something you want to change, just google it or search the vwvortex, golfmk7, or obdeleven forum. Chances are someone has figured out how to do it. The OBDeleven and VCDS tweaks are HUGE with these cars, you will find threads with thousands of posts with just tweaks.

https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...venture-Thread

http://forum.obdeleven.com/board/81/mk7

https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15896

https://sites.google.com/a/naturalne...7-vcds-how-to/
Roadhog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 9, 2019, 10:33 PM   #7
OverclockN'
Radeon Arctic Islands
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: United States Iowa
Posts: 22,937
OverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwards


Subscriber
Default

Thanks Roadhog. I did quite a bit of searching and watched YouTube videos on it. No doubt I missed some stuff. Will check it out when I get a chance!
__________________
In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity...Albert Einstein
-------------------------------------------------------
OverclockN' is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 9, 2019, 10:36 PM   #8
bob saget
Stage 5 ultra-athiest
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Canada Vancouver (Russian)
Posts: 19,104
bob saget has achieved the Highest Pinnacle of Reputationbob saget has achieved the Highest Pinnacle of Reputationbob saget has achieved the Highest Pinnacle of Reputationbob saget has achieved the Highest Pinnacle of Reputationbob saget has achieved the Highest Pinnacle of Reputationbob saget has achieved the Highest Pinnacle of Reputationbob saget has achieved the Highest Pinnacle of Reputationbob saget has achieved the Highest Pinnacle of Reputationbob saget has achieved the Highest Pinnacle of Reputationbob saget has achieved the Highest Pinnacle of Reputationbob saget has achieved the Highest Pinnacle of Reputation


Default

very sweet.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by KAC View Post
Gays if I had boyfriends your mums wouldn’t have produced your sorry asses.
bob saget is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2019, 02:39 PM   #9
logical
What is my purpose?
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Manches *
Posts: 21,224
logical achieves Nirvana on Tuesdays at 4:00pmlogical achieves Nirvana on Tuesdays at 4:00pmlogical achieves Nirvana on Tuesdays at 4:00pmlogical achieves Nirvana on Tuesdays at 4:00pmlogical achieves Nirvana on Tuesdays at 4:00pmlogical achieves Nirvana on Tuesdays at 4:00pmlogical achieves Nirvana on Tuesdays at 4:00pmlogical achieves Nirvana on Tuesdays at 4:00pmlogical achieves Nirvana on Tuesdays at 4:00pmlogical achieves Nirvana on Tuesdays at 4:00pmlogical achieves Nirvana on Tuesdays at 4:00pm


Default

Looking good. White is one of the better colors. Sometimes black feels so blah on these.
__________________

logical is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2019, 02:41 PM   #10
acroig
Master Troll
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Manches Troll Master of Manchesville
Posts: 44,692
acroig glows with the radiance of a thousand sunsacroig glows with the radiance of a thousand sunsacroig glows with the radiance of a thousand sunsacroig glows with the radiance of a thousand sunsacroig glows with the radiance of a thousand sunsacroig glows with the radiance of a thousand sunsacroig glows with the radiance of a thousand sunsacroig glows with the radiance of a thousand sunsacroig glows with the radiance of a thousand sunsacroig glows with the radiance of a thousand sunsacroig glows with the radiance of a thousand suns


Default

Very nice, congrats and enjoy.
__________________
By your retarded posts i can only conclude you haven't been spanked enough.

yoz
acroig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2019, 06:22 PM   #11
Nunz
RIP Roxen
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 28,429
Nunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dial


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by logical View Post
Looking good. White is one of the better colors. Sometimes black feels so blah on these.
I absolutely love the blue from VW. My favorite is probably the Laguna Seca blue that you see a lot of the Mustangs running, but damn the MK7 Golf R's look fantastic in blue. BMW has a beautiful blue as well.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by curio View Post
Eat this protein bar, for it is of my body. And drink this creatine shake, for it is my blood.
"If you can't handle me when I'm bulking, you don't deserve me when I'm cut." -- Marilyn Monbroe
Nunz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 11, 2019, 04:08 PM   #12
hazindu
I put the zin in Hadu!!!
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: United States Smartassville
Posts: 2,628
hazindu is still being judged by the masses


Default

After a year, I still love my R, hope you enjoy yours too.
__________________
"In the beginning, the universe was created. This made a lot of people very angry, and has been widely regarded as a bad idea." - Douglas Adams
hazindu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 14, 2019, 11:05 AM   #13
OverclockN'
Radeon Arctic Islands
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: United States Iowa
Posts: 22,937
OverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwards


Subscriber
Default

DSG service was done today, and picking the car up after work.

Still enjoying the car, but the complaints are ramping up fast the longer I own it. I discovered on Tuesday that the car completely neuters itself in turns if you don't stability off or to the Sport mode. I came around a corner quick and went to apply throttle to power out and...NOTHING. it didn't apply any power until I was nearly perfectly straight and then it just slammed the throttle on and charged forward. I tried the same thing the next day after pressing the Stability button once for Sport, and it behaves just fine. So normal mode is super intrusive and ridiculous. On top of that, if you have stability in Sport or OFF, it disables cruise control. FFS.

The low speed normal driving is kind of aggrevating. It's a total turd. I'm borrowing a Jetta as a loaner and it's way better, so I wonder if there is carbon buildup. We will see how it feels with the fresh DSG fluid, but I expect no change. The dealer gave it a clean bill of health and called it perfect, of course. I'll scope it and check it myself. Otherwise, for normal driving, the car is just a disappointing gutless weenie.

Thinking about taking it to the dragstrip to get some baseline stock numbers.
__________________
In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity...Albert Einstein
-------------------------------------------------------
OverclockN' is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 14, 2019, 11:29 AM   #14
Elysian
SCAATSJW
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: United States Austin, TX
Posts: 49,148
Elysian kills 99.99% of germs and leaves hands feeling freshElysian kills 99.99% of germs and leaves hands feeling freshElysian kills 99.99% of germs and leaves hands feeling freshElysian kills 99.99% of germs and leaves hands feeling freshElysian kills 99.99% of germs and leaves hands feeling freshElysian kills 99.99% of germs and leaves hands feeling freshElysian kills 99.99% of germs and leaves hands feeling freshElysian kills 99.99% of germs and leaves hands feeling freshElysian kills 99.99% of germs and leaves hands feeling freshElysian kills 99.99% of germs and leaves hands feeling fresh


Default

Sounds like normal traction control to me, regarding having to switch to sport mode for spirited driving.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by IamHere View Post
You guys are closet communists.
Elysian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 14, 2019, 11:32 AM   #15
OverclockN'
Radeon Arctic Islands
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: United States Iowa
Posts: 22,937
OverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwards


Subscriber
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Elysian View Post
Sounds like normal traction control to me, regarding having to switch to sport mode for spirited driving.
Sure, just never had a car where it was that intrusive. But, maybe newer cars are just that way. My 2013 BRZ definitely wasn't. It didn't completely cut throttle, you could have some fun and maintain a little speed.
__________________
In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity...Albert Einstein
-------------------------------------------------------
OverclockN' is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 14, 2019, 11:35 AM   #16
Elysian
SCAATSJW
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: United States Austin, TX
Posts: 49,148
Elysian kills 99.99% of germs and leaves hands feeling freshElysian kills 99.99% of germs and leaves hands feeling freshElysian kills 99.99% of germs and leaves hands feeling freshElysian kills 99.99% of germs and leaves hands feeling freshElysian kills 99.99% of germs and leaves hands feeling freshElysian kills 99.99% of germs and leaves hands feeling freshElysian kills 99.99% of germs and leaves hands feeling freshElysian kills 99.99% of germs and leaves hands feeling freshElysian kills 99.99% of germs and leaves hands feeling freshElysian kills 99.99% of germs and leaves hands feeling fresh


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OverclockN' View Post
Sure, just never had a car where it was that intrusive. But, maybe newer cars are just that way. My 2013 BRZ definitely wasn't. It didn't completely cut throttle, you could have some fun and maintain a little speed.
My Colorado can be pretty intrusive when it wants to, and other times send the rear end swinging around... The VW stuff seems to work better. Or worse, depending how you look at it
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by IamHere View Post
You guys are closet communists.
Elysian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 14, 2019, 11:39 AM   #17
Roadhog
Sausages
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,531
Roadhog can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficultyRoadhog can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficulty


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OverclockN' View Post
DSG service was done today, and picking the car up after work.

Still enjoying the car, but the complaints are ramping up fast the longer I own it. I discovered on Tuesday that the car completely neuters itself in turns if you don't stability off or to the Sport mode. I came around a corner quick and went to apply throttle to power out and...NOTHING. it didn't apply any power until I was nearly perfectly straight and then it just slammed the throttle on and charged forward. I tried the same thing the next day after pressing the Stability button once for Sport, and it behaves just fine. So normal mode is super intrusive and ridiculous. On top of that, if you have stability in Sport or OFF, it disables cruise control. FFS.
Wait.... You mean the stability control did what it should in normal mode? If it senses wheel slip or anything in normal, it does everything it can to prevent it. How does it know you didn't hit a patch of ice? Set it to sport or off if you want to hoon. It's literally 1 button press, takes less than a second. I've never noticed cruise being disabled with it in Sport or off, i'll have to try that. But maybe because I don't have ACC.

Quote:
Originally Posted by OverclockN' View Post
The low speed normal driving is kind of aggrevating. It's a total turd. I'm borrowing a Jetta as a loaner and it's way better, so I wonder if there is carbon buildup. We will see how it feels with the fresh DSG fluid, but I expect no change. The dealer gave it a clean bill of health and called it perfect, of course. I'll scope it and check it myself. Otherwise, for normal driving, the car is just a disappointing gutless weenie.

Thinking about taking it to the dragstrip to get some baseline stock numbers.
Is this your first turbocharged 4 cylinder? I'm sure the Golf R is more laggy than the GTI at low RPM's as it has a larger turbo. These engines shouldn't have a high load at low rpm's too. You can get LSPI which = boom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-speed_pre-ignition

If you want to take off like a rocket, use launch control, the clutches are wet, they can handle the abuse fine. If not, roll into the throttle and never go full throttle under 2k rpms. 2500 is even better.
Roadhog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 14, 2019, 11:45 AM   #18
OverclockN'
Radeon Arctic Islands
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: United States Iowa
Posts: 22,937
OverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwards


Subscriber
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roadhog_ View Post
Wait.... You mean the stability control did what it should in normal mode? If it senses wheel slip or anything in normal, it does everything it can to prevent it. How does it know you didn't hit a patch of ice? Set it to sport or off if you want to hoon. It's literally 1 button press, takes less than a second. I've never noticed cruise being disabled with it in Sport or off, i'll have to try that. But maybe because I don't have ACC.



Is this your first turbocharged 4 cylinder? I'm sure the Golf R is more laggy than the GTI at low RPM's as it has a larger turbo. These engines shouldn't have a high load at low rpm's too. You can get LSPI which = boom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-speed_pre-ignition

If you want to take off like a rocket, use launch control, the clutches are wet, they can handle the abuse fine. If not, roll into the throttle and never go full throttle under 2k rpms. 2500 is even better.
I'm just talking normal driving. Just creeping along from light to light and driving like a normal person. The throttle response and getting it to move is awful. The Jetta I have as a loaner has the DSG is MUCH better. Could it be a turbo lag thing with the R it? Sure...but that's why I say it's a ridiculously gutless weenie then.

As far as the stability control, I get that. I just didn't expect it to interfere THAT much. I expected it to allow enough throttle to keep you moving and hauling around the turn while monitoring and adjusting for slip. It apparently doesn't do that in the normal mode, it just goes..."you're going too fast, so I won't let you do ANYTHING"...and 100% cuts throttle.

I've had exposure to many 4cyl turbo cars. I had my brothers STI for 3 years, my friends currently own a Focus ST and 16 Golf GTI. Friend use to own a 500 Abarth. Etc etc. None of them were this bad out of boost.
__________________
In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity...Albert Einstein
-------------------------------------------------------
OverclockN' is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 14, 2019, 11:57 AM   #19
Roadhog
Sausages
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,531
Roadhog can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficultyRoadhog can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficulty


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OverclockN' View Post
I'm just talking normal driving. Just creeping along from light to light and driving like a normal person. The throttle response and getting it to move is awful. The Jetta I have as a loaner has the DSG is MUCH better. Could it be a turbo lag thing with the R it? Sure...but that's why I say it's a ridiculously gutless weenie then.
The DSG like to creep along in second gear because people complained that first was too jerky. So you get all the clutch slip in second gear now. Push the stick to S and it will creep in first with no clutch slip. It's also easier on the transmission. I agree it's stupid, but you can't make everyone happy and it seems VW choose to cater to the majority. Turbo lag def there, if you had something to read boost, you would see and understand why it is so unresponsive under 2k rpms. Mostly to prevent LSPI I would think. The Jetta, I had one too as a loaner, it has an itty bitty turbo and different gearing. I do agree, it was very responsive. I'm honestly just totally used to the turbo and little bit of dsg lag. You will get used to it too.

Quote:
Originally Posted by OverclockN' View Post
As far as the stability control, I get that. I just didn't expect it to interfere THAT much. I expected it to allow enough throttle to keep you moving and hauling around the turn while monitoring and adjusting for slip. It apparently doesn't do that in the normal mode, it just goes..."you're going too fast, so I won't let you do ANYTHING"...and 100% cuts throttle.

I've had exposure to many 4cyl turbo cars. I had my brothers STI for 3 years, my friends currently own a Focus ST and 16 Golf GTI. Friend use to own a 500 Abarth. Etc etc. None of them were this bad out of boost.
Those are all tiny turbo cars with much less power than the Golf R. STI is also known for turbo lag, not sure how you can say it didn't have any? Seriously, these engines should not have a high load at low RPM. If you request it, you just won't get it.

And Yes, Traction control is annoying in normal. But Sport is just 1 press.
Roadhog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 14, 2019, 12:08 PM   #20
OverclockN'
Radeon Arctic Islands
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: United States Iowa
Posts: 22,937
OverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwards


Subscriber
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roadhog_ View Post
The DSG like to creep along in second gear because people complained that first was too jerky. So you get all the clutch slip in second gear now. Push the stick to S and it will creep in first with no clutch slip. It's also easier on the transmission. I agree it's stupid, but you can't make everyone happy and it seems VW choose to cater to the majority. Turbo lag def there, if you had something to read boost, you would see and understand why it is so unresponsive under 2k rpms. Mostly to prevent LSPI I would think. The Jetta, I had one too as a loaner, it has an itty bitty turbo and different gearing. I do agree, it was very responsive. I'm honestly just totally used to the turbo and little bit of dsg lag. You will get used to it too.



Those are all tiny turbo cars with much less power than the Golf R. STI is also known for turbo lag, not sure how you can say it didn't have any? Seriously, these engines should not have a high load at low RPM. If you request it, you just won't get it.

And Yes, Traction control is annoying in normal. But Sport is just 1 press.
I never said anything didn't have turbo lag, they all do. It's not relevant. I'm talking about how they drive in normal city driving not in boost. None of them had the poor throttle response and sluggishness of this R. And Like I said earlier, maybe there is a problem. It could be plugged up with carbon, who knows. If it's normal, it's disappointingly sluggish, that's all.

I'm not a fan of S for normal driving due to how high it maintains the rpm.

And, I'll repeat it again, because you keep mentioning high load at low rpm, so we are still not on the same page. I'm talking low load, low RPM, driving like a normal sane person. It has very poor throttle response and getting it to move at all. It feels like it's all plugged up to me. No clue if it's normal for these cars, and that's what I'm trying to find out.

I understand how the stability button works. It's just a minor complaint, I'm not up in arms about it. I was surprised how incredibly intrusive it was in normal, and then surprised it disables cruise so I couldn't just leave it in there either.
__________________
In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity...Albert Einstein
-------------------------------------------------------

Last edited by OverclockN' : Jun 14, 2019 at 12:17 PM.
OverclockN' is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 14, 2019, 12:17 PM   #21
Roadhog
Sausages
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,531
Roadhog can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficultyRoadhog can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficulty


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OverclockN' View Post
I never said anything didn't have turbo lag, they all do. It's not relevant. I'm talking about how they drive in normal city driving not in boost. None of them had the poor throttle response and sluggishness of this R. And Like I said earlier, maybe there is a problem. It could be plugged up with carbon, who knows. If it's normal, it's disappointingly sluggish, that's all.

I'm not a fan of S for normal driving due to how high revs the thing.

And, I'll repeat it again, because you keep mentioning high load at low rpm, so we are still not on the same page. I'm talking low load, low RPM, driving like a normal sane person. It has very poor throttle response and getting it to move at all. It feels like it's all plugged up to me. No clue if it's normal for these cars, and that's what I'm trying to find out.
Got ya, not trying to start an argument. Just feel like you can't compare apples to oranges. Manual/DSG or Auto/DSG. They all behave different from different gearing and what not.

Maybe I'm totally oblivious to it now and just used to it.

Does it seem to idle smoothly right after you start it up cold? If you can hear roughness/pops in the exhaust tone it's usually a sign of carbon buildup.

I do agree 100% that throttle response driving like a normal sane person is extremely laggy and just not there.
Roadhog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 14, 2019, 12:22 PM   #22
OverclockN'
Radeon Arctic Islands
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: United States Iowa
Posts: 22,937
OverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwards


Subscriber
Default

It does not idle smoothly when you first start it up. It's not really bad, but I noticed it within the first day or two of bringing it home.
__________________
In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity...Albert Einstein
-------------------------------------------------------
OverclockN' is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 14, 2019, 12:24 PM   #23
Nunz
RIP Roxen
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 28,429
Nunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dial


Default

Hmm .. I'm not sure we're having the same experience. The traction control definitely is overzealous in normal mode, but it sounds like the torque-vectoring is almost … too strong in your case? I can hit corners hard with the R in normal mode and it still has power through the turn. The Golf R is also the fastest car I've probably ever driven so that can also be why I don't feel much of an issue, compared to the high-torque V8s you are more accustomed to in the Vette(s).

With that being said, I'm not sure if you're experiencing some power loss downlow from carbon buildup. That is certainly possible, and with the mileage on the motor, it's definitely in range for significant buildup, at least in the research I've done on the FA20DIT that I run in my WRX. I've seen pictures of valves w/ extreme carbon buildup and they only had 40k miles on them. Of course, different motor, but both DI turbos so still applicable.

The throttle response is wonky sometimes, I agree with you there. I chalk it up to an automatic being an automatic, even if the DSG is as close to a manual as you can get, it's still doing things automatically without my control. That's one thing I will forever love about a stick-shift, even when I'm complaining in bumper-to-bumper traffic.

Take her to get walnut blasted. I think you may be on to something with the carbon buildup.

Oh, and I also don't like Sport mode outside of areas where I'm obviously getting on it. In Sport, trying to do normal driving, the gears stretch out so far you sound like an asshole driving down the street
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by curio View Post
Eat this protein bar, for it is of my body. And drink this creatine shake, for it is my blood.
"If you can't handle me when I'm bulking, you don't deserve me when I'm cut." -- Marilyn Monbroe
Nunz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 14, 2019, 12:25 PM   #24
Roadhog
Sausages
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,531
Roadhog can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficultyRoadhog can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficulty


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OverclockN' View Post
It does not idle smoothly when you first start it up. It's not really bad, but I noticed it within the first day or two of bringing it home.
I can grab a video of mine if you want to compare to. How many miles? I can't remember if you said.
Roadhog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 14, 2019, 12:30 PM   #25
OverclockN'
Radeon Arctic Islands
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: United States Iowa
Posts: 22,937
OverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwards


Subscriber
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roadhog_ View Post
I can grab a video of mine if you want to compare to. How many miles? I can't remember if you said.
If you'd like to do a video, I'd definitely be interested in comparing the two. It has 48k miles right now.

I'm sure there isn't a significant issue. It still hauls ass when you're really into it, launch control works great, and the car itself is fantastic. If there is anything actually wrong with it after the DSG service, it's likely just carbon buildup. Easy fix really. Otherwise, it's just a little sluggish for the daily routine stuff. Minor annoyance, but nothing more.
__________________
In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity...Albert Einstein
-------------------------------------------------------
OverclockN' is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 14, 2019, 12:34 PM   #26
Roadhog
Sausages
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,531
Roadhog can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficultyRoadhog can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficulty


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OverclockN' View Post
If you'd like to do a video, I'd definitely be interested in comparing the two. It has 48k miles right now.
Sure thing! You just want from in the drivers seat or? 48K You could be due for a carbon cleaning. I have half that so haven't really looked into it much.
Roadhog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 17, 2019, 01:27 PM   #27
OverclockN'
Radeon Arctic Islands
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: United States Iowa
Posts: 22,937
OverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwards


Subscriber
Default

You were right, Roadhog. I figured I'd give it a few days to be sure, but changing the fluid absolutely helped. It shifts up and down far smoother during normal driving now, and the low speed pickup is much better. I don't understand, mechanically, how it affected the low speed pickup...but it's certainly better. It still bucks very slightly downshifting when slowing down normally...but it's well within what I would consider acceptable. Not bad at all.

I have a high frequency vibration now I can feel through the chassis since I got it back from the dealer...but it's otherwise ok.
__________________
In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity...Albert Einstein
-------------------------------------------------------
OverclockN' is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 17, 2019, 01:47 PM   #28
Nunz
RIP Roxen
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 28,429
Nunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dialNunz is on Chuck Norris' speed-dial


Default

I'm so nervous to take my car to the dealer for fluid flush (my transmission drain plug also seems to be seized, so I've given up) because of that very reason. I don't want to get the car back with some new problem. I'm consdering taking the car for a protune on a dyno and having them do the fluid flush for me as well as replace whatever bushing has gone bad in the front-driver side that makes it sound like metal-on-metal clanging when I go over bumps.

Awesome that the fluid change helped! Hope the vibration is a simple fix .. I would lose my mind getting the car back and having more issues.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by curio View Post
Eat this protein bar, for it is of my body. And drink this creatine shake, for it is my blood.
"If you can't handle me when I'm bulking, you don't deserve me when I'm cut." -- Marilyn Monbroe
Nunz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 17, 2019, 08:11 PM   #29
Roadhog
Sausages
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,531
Roadhog can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficultyRoadhog can beat 'Minesweeper' on any difficulty


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OverclockN' View Post
You were right, Roadhog. I figured I'd give it a few days to be sure, but changing the fluid absolutely helped. It shifts up and down far smoother during normal driving now, and the low speed pickup is much better. I don't understand, mechanically, how it affected the low speed pickup...but it's certainly better. It still bucks very slightly downshifting when slowing down normally...but it's well within what I would consider acceptable. Not bad at all.

I have a high frequency vibration now I can feel through the chassis since I got it back from the dealer...but it's otherwise ok.
Awesome! It could be engaging the clutches faster/smoother which would allow it to apply power quicker. Dunno. I just know they are extremely picky when it comes to fluid.
Roadhog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 21, 2020, 09:07 PM   #30
OverclockN'
Radeon Arctic Islands
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: United States Iowa
Posts: 22,937
OverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwardsOverclockN' can recite pi backwards


Subscriber
Default

So...I've been thinking for the past month of selling this thing.

No idea what I will do with it for sure, but it's a nagging thought. It just doesn't get me terribly excited, though it's an excellent daily driver...that I haven't actually been driving. It really just sits all week (my work commute is 8min) since I take the XTerra to work. I get the Golf out on the weekends when I go somewhere. Once the weather got bad and everything is snow/ice, it's just been sitting. I didn't want to get snow tires/wheels this season, so I parked it due to the tires that are on it right now.

Maybe this will all change when the weather gets warm again, and I can do more things with it.

Didn't really have much point behind this rambling other than it's been on my mind and this part of the forum is slow anyway.

I've considered what I'd replace it with, since I'd be in that boat again, but I'm having a hard time finding a car that I find super appealing. A 2018+ Mustang would be neat, but I've done the Mustang thing before. I've also thought about selling the yellow car and replacing that too. Maybe an RS3 for an all-rounder, or a C6Z for an all motor ground pounder. No idea.
__________________
In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity...Albert Einstein
-------------------------------------------------------
OverclockN' is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2016 Audi R8 V10 Plus vs. 2016 Porsche 911 Turbo S Kain Motoring 62 Feb 24, 2017 10:59 AM
mk 5 golf GTI - why should/shouldn't I get one squid Motoring 44 Jun 26, 2014 11:01 AM
Dany Golf - [ mini golf ] Pirate Neilsouth PC Gaming 6 May 18, 2008 05:01 PM
I did not know this about GOLF. xCLAVEx Off Topic Lounge 24 Dec 21, 2006 06:39 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:56 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
All trademarks used are properties of their respective owners. Copyright ©1998-2011 Rage3D.com
Links monetized by VigLink