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Old Feb 26, 2018, 01:07 PM   #241
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So is this 30% performance hit real? From what I understand of the situation, I believe the OS patch has been aplied on my system but I'm not noticing any performance issues... With that said, not sure if my CPU (Lynnfield below in sig) is even affected by the bugs to begin with.
Normal usage scenarios, ala gaming, browsing porn etc won't see a performance hit. It will mostly occur in DATA Centres
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Old Feb 26, 2018, 01:32 PM   #242
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The massive hit I saw on all my workstations came from a Dell BIOS update that they pushed out clearly without testing it well; and then pulled that update within days after release. The performance hit was absurd and I had to roll back to an earlier BIOS.

I just checked today though and they released an updated version, decided to give it a go and this time around they got it right - minimal performance impact and I'm now patched for both MD & Spectre
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If thinking of upgrading to Intel you probably should wait a bit.

https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-to-bui...ffer_pcgamerfb
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Its the same as the AMD security issues, you need Administrative Access too the system so meh.
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They say its a variant of meltdown and spectre...

At the rate they are patching these things even if intel isnt losing much perf it will lose cred.
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If these have another performance hit, they're going to be trailing Ryzen in IPC before long.
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Swiss Cheese lol...
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Intel has revealed another major security vulnerability in its CPUs, similar to the Meltdown/Spectre vulnerabilities revealed at the start of this year. This one is formally known as the L1 Terminal Fault (L1TF) vulnerability, and has been dubbed Foreshadow. It affects most Intel CPUs, as listed at the bottom of this Intel Security Advisory. Once again, although no current real-world exploits of the vulnerability have been found, microcode and operating system updates are expected to mitigate this threat. Intel claims that these updates will have no meaningful performance impact. AMD CPUs are currently thought not to be affected by this vulnerability.
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Intel Microcode Update Includes Gag Order – License Being Updated Right Now [Update


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So something pretty detrimental to optics was included in Intel’s recent microcode update. A gag-order not to use any comparative or benchmarking software to test the new security patches was present in the licensing boilerplate. Needless to say, this is bad – very bad. I reached out to Intel and they let me know that the issue was being handled and the license is going to be updated post haste.


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Don't know if this was posted here on other threads https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/55767

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Our tests showed that after enabling the ESXi Side-Channel-Aware Scheduler the maximum performance capacity of the host can diminish by as much as 30%, depending on the workloads, host utilization, and processors used within the host. It is important to note that this does not necessarily translate to a 30% reduction in application performance. On a host that is running below its maximum performance capacity, the enablement of the ESXi Side-Channel-Aware Scheduler might result in little or no loss of performance depending on how much spare capacity was available. A set of test results for common enterprise application workloads is included in the Performance Test Results section of this article.
Also look at the performance test result tables.

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https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/0...patch_licence/

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Updated At least one Linux distribution is withholding security patches that mitigate the latest round of Intel CPU design flaws – due to a problematic license clash.

Specifically, the patch is Chipzilla's processor microcode update emitted this month to stop malware stealing sensitive data from memory by exploiting the L1 Terminal Fault vulnerability in Intel's silicon. The biz had released microcode in July that corrected the underlying problem mostly for server-grade CPUs; this latest fix now covers desktop processors.

Ideally, Intel's CPU microcode is updated by the motherboard firmware during boot. However, manufacturers may be slow to emit patches, so operating system kernels can also push updates to the chipset during startup. Since microcode updated in this way is discarded every time the power is cycled, it is up to the firmware and OS to reapply the update as early as it can during the boot process.

Some people prefer to install microcode updates via their OS as it's easy to do and avoids fiddling with firmware settings. Also, the patches are picked up during the usual monthly routine of fetching and stalling operating system software updates. And some motherboard makers are slow to release fixes, leaving it to OS developers to roll out patches.

While Intel hoses down the industry with fixes for its design blunders, it is up to the maintainers of the various Linux distributions to take a good look at what Chipzilla has given the world, and then ship the code to users.

It is with the latest set of CPU microcode updates that things have come unstuck somewhat, for Debian at least.

Debian developer and kernel driver engineer Henrique Holschuh argued in a posting in Debian’s bug tracker that yes, packages containing Intel's fixes are ready to go, but, no, they aren't about to be sent out to the world due to a new end-user license file added by Intel to the archive.

The license prohibits, among other things, users from using any portion of the software without agreeing to be legally bound by the terms of the license. Debian, which is famously proud of its open approach to licensing, has taken a look at those terms, and concluded: nope, not having that. Not until the wording is mitigated.

And Intel has plenty of experience in mitigating things.

Other distributions have found ways to work around the problem. Gentoo, for example, will likely restrict mirroring of the software and get users to accept Intel’s license before proceeding. SUSE, Arch, and Red Hat are said to be OK with the fine print.

Why Intel felt the need to update the license is unclear. In a statement to The Register, Imad Sousou, corporate vice president and general manager of the Intel Open Source Technology Center, said it's "not true" that Debian can't distribute the microcode package.

"The license section 2, subsection (iii) grants rights needed for redistribution," he said. "Specifically, '…distribute an object code representation of the Software, provided by Intel, through multiple levels of distribution.'”

El Reg has dropped Debian a line to find out if Intel's response deals with its licensing concerns. Holschuh was not entirely clear why the license is a problem. In any case, the packages are being held up for Debian users, and so they'll have to go down the firmware route to install the latest Intel CPU microcode.

Thanks to an annoyed Linux-using Reg reader for bringing the shenanigans to our attention. ®

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Open-source pioneer Bruce Perens has weighed in with his take on the matter. "The license problem is a more global concern, in my opinion, as it may prevent any use of the CPU for benchmarking that is provided or published," he told The Register.

This is because the terms of the microcode license state you must not "publish or provide any software benchmark or comparison test results." Which is awkward.

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Intel has rewritten its microcode license to make it much friendlier for benchmarkers and free-software distributions.
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I suspect that would never hold up in court. In a round round about way, it is almost like buying a car, and in the purchase agreement, it states that you can't use a calculator to figure your gas millage, that you must go by what the on board computer tells you. Or better yet, you can't use any type of "benchmark" to test the performance of the motor.


The very fact that they felt they needed to include something like that should make many people step back and find out what they don't want us to know or find out.
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I wish we could say no to these updates. I don’t care about Spector or any of this garbage on my personal PC.
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I suspect that would never hold up in court. In a round round about way, it is almost like buying a car, and in the purchase agreement, it states that you can't use a calculator to figure your gas millage, that you must go by what the on board computer tells you. Or better yet, you can't use any type of "benchmark" to test the performance of the motor.


The very fact that they felt they needed to include something like that should make many people step back and find out what they don't want us to know or find out.
someone should redo all the CPU reviews after all the patches

Ryzen may pass Intel in gaming any day now
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My MSI motherboard got the BIOS update in July for Spectre (I did an InSpectre before and after test, and all was green after the BIOS update).

Yesterday I manually check for updates and it downloads KB4100347. I uninstalled, and it reinstalled again after checking for updates. I then find out that KB4346084 replaces KB4100347 for Skylake and newer CPU's so I once again uninstall KB4100347 and manually install KB4346084. Seemed successful, I then manually check for updates and it no longer tries installing KB4100347.

My question about this is -- should I have left KB4100347 installed and then install KB4346084 on top of that?
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When are the CPUs that are fixed coming out?
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AMD now

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The era of irony ...
AMD doesn't need a fancy IPC cpu anymore to beat intel ... Intel just beats intel ... Noone could have done it more elegantly ...


PS: I am curious if nvidia will beat nvidia when it comes to 20x0 generation. ..
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AMD doesn't need a fancy IPC cpu anymore to beat intel ... Intel just beats intel ... Noone could have done it more elegantly ...


PS: I am curious if nvidia will beat nvidia when it comes to 20x0 generation. ..
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@bill dennison: intersting ... The irony is all the other consoles have amd stuff..I haven't heard too much security whining there...And are 2 BIG console vendors and both of them are at the second generation to using AMD stuff in their machines.Imo AMD on both fronts (CPU and GPU) seems to have the security advantage in their hands and not really performance numbers.This may win them big contracts even if they have much lower budget than two bahemoths.

Also this is unfortunate:

Intel 14nm chip supply shortfall to affect PC shipments for 2H18

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When are the CPUs that are fixed coming out?
Whiskey Lake has some hardware mitigation in it already.

https://www.techpowerup.com/247204/i...d-whiskey-lake

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In a statement to AnandTech, Intel explained that the key difference between "Whiskey Lake" and "Coffee Lake" is silicon-level hardening against "Meltdown" variants 3 and 5. This isn't just a software-level mitigation part of the microcode, but a hardware fix that reduces the performance impact of the mitigation, compared to a software fix implemented via patched microcode. "Cascade Lake" will pack the most important hardware-level fixes, including "Spectre" variant 2 (aka branch target injection). Software-level fixes reduce performance by 3-10 percent, but a hardware-level fix is expected to impact performance "a lot less."
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@bill dennison: intersting ... The irony is all the other consoles have amd stuff..I haven't heard too much security whining there...And are 2 BIG console vendors and both of them are at the second generation to using AMD stuff in their machines.Imo AMD on both fronts (CPU and GPU) seems to have the security advantage in their hands and not really performance numbers.This may win them big contracts even if they have much lower budget than two bahemoths.

Also this is unfortunate:

Intel 14nm chip supply shortfall to affect PC shipments for 2H18

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/in...-for-2h18.html
and working on 3rd generation consoles
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Report: AMD Built Navi for Sony PS5, Delayed Vega to Do It
https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/2...-vega-to-do-it

as of the other that will drive Intel prices up

puts AMD in a very good spot for a ryzen 7nm launch
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and working on 3rd generation consoles


https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/2...-vega-to-do-it

as of the other that will drive Intel prices up

puts AMD in a very good spot for a ryzen 7nm launch
thx for the article...
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Intel Explains Key Difference Between "Coffee Lake" and "Whiskey Lake"

https://www.techpowerup.com/247204/i...d-whiskey-lake
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Microsoft has released an Intel Microcode Update to address Spectre and Foreshadow (L1 Terminal Fault) related vulnerabilities. This patch is specifically for a range of Skylake, Kaby Lake, Coffee Lake and Broadwell Intel CPUs under Windows 10 version 1809.
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How about fixing windows 1809 first?
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