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Old Jul 10, 2013, 10:22 AM   #1
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More inspiration from Kurosawa honestly, don't see why any Star Trek association is a big deal apart from... space.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akira_K...2.80.931986.29
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Nope. Not really surprising.

Where do you fall on the endless debate? Trek or Star Wars?

I think the debate is silly though. They're both equally geektastic in their own ways.
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More inspiration from Kurosawa honestly, don't see why any Star Trek association is a big deal apart from... space.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akira_K...2.80.931986.29
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“Star Trek softened up the entertainment arena so that Star Wars could come along and stand on its shoulders, and there was an effective group of people in the beginning who accepted it, that it wasn’t that far out. For the studios it was way far out, but there was a fan base out there, primarily the Star Trek fan base, who understood science fiction.”
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Not sure "admit" is the right word. More like "acknowledge". I never heard him claim that what he did was independent of anything else, or that he was the first to do a space opera. In fact, Buck Rogers was a fore-runner, as was Star Trek, and to my knowledge he never claimed otherwise. Nor has any legitimate fan.
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“Star Trek softened up the entertainment arena so that Star Wars could come along and stand on its shoulders, and there was an effective group of people in the beginning who accepted it, that it wasn’t that far out. For the studios it was way far out, but there was a fan base out there, primarily the Star Trek fan base, who understood science fiction.”
That's it. Star Trek opened people's thoughts to the idea of things happening in space, of it being a setting, not just the idea of maybe going there some day.
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I have always been a Star Wars nerd, not much of a Trek guy.....

Recently I started watching some of the shows....and I get annoyed a lot when the crew seems surprised they have to defend themselves against aliens. Terrible security etc......still watching it but man, act realistic. No way in hell a ship would be cruising around telling random aliens, " WE COME IN PEACE FROM EARTH. EARTH I SAID!!!!!"
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Nope. Not really surprising.

Where do you fall on the endless debate? Trek or Star Wars?

I think the debate is silly though. They're both equally geektastic in their own ways.
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I have always been a Star Wars nerd, not much of a Trek guy.....

Recently I started watching some of the shows....and I get annoyed a lot when the crew seems surprised they have to defend themselves against aliens. Terrible security etc......still watching it but man, act realistic. No way in hell a ship would be cruising around telling random aliens, " WE COME IN PEACE FROM EARTH. EARTH I SAID!!!!!"
Your criticism of Star Trek isn't really a counter to the fan boism of Star Wars geeks. Because Star Wars aren't confronted with the same issues and problems that the Enterprise had to deal with.
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That's it. Star Trek opened people's thoughts to the idea of things happening in space, of it being a setting, not just the idea of maybe going there some day.
Huh? There was plenty of space science fiction for a long time before Star Trek ever existed.
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Huh? There was plenty of space science fiction for a long time before Star Trek ever existed.
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No idea what you're talking about.

Edit: wasn't aware there was a show by that title. I was talking more about science fiction in general, space was a setting before television was even around.
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No idea what you're talking about.
Amazing. He just added word "Theatre" to "Science Fiction" and your brain had a BSOD.

I haven't read the whole thing but how did Star Trek manage to break through? Couldn't Star War have done the same thing with Star Trek? I totally think so.
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Huh?

I am confused by what you said.

All I meant, was that some of Star Trek is completely unrealistic. A vessel from earth would be practicing opsec like a mofo on a voyage like the Enterprise's. And weapons without sights? Really?

Apart from some of the obvious security issues, I enjoy it.
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Edit: wasn't aware there was a show by that title. I was talking more about science fiction in general, space was a setting before television was even around.
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Star wars isn't even science fiction. It's just fiction, in space.
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Closer to fantasy-fiction with the original trilogy and the use of The Force.

Lucas tried to make it science-fiction by suddenly introducing Midichlorians as a stoichiometrically measurable thing in order to determine Jedi-ability in the last trilogy... and boy did that suck.
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More inspiration from Kurosawa honestly, don't see why any Star Trek association is a big deal apart from... space.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akira_K...2.80.931986.29
Also 1940s movie serials, Flash gordon, Shaolin/Chinese history where some high ranking general or warlord tried to wipe out the shaolin, fall of rome/Caesar leading to Agustus Empire/ Chinese/Japanese/Indian Chi/Ki/chakra life energy.... etc.

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Closer to fantasy-fiction with the original trilogy and the use of The Force.

Lucas tried to make it science-fiction by suddenly introducing Midichlorians as a stoichiometrically measurable thing in order to determine Jedi-ability in the last trilogy... and boy did that suck.
Even watching the prequel trilogies you can, if you notice that the whole "midichlorians count" was really more like "old hype" than fact as evidenced by experienced/veteran force users/saber users being able to deflect "powerful attacks" or easily be subject to possible death or defeat...or getting handicapped in duels over some impatient n00b like Anakin...
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I like Star Trek a lot but it doesn't even hold a candle to Star Wars.
you're crazy... I've always viewed star wars as a kids show/movie, mostly all conflicts are solved with a light saber or some form of violence. Trek seems much more geared toward an older audience where various forms of resolution are sought... case in point my kid loves star wars, but gets bored with trek, my father loves trek but finds star wars too flashy and action filled...

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Closer to fantasy-fiction with the original trilogy and the use of The Force.
Hmmm....we should count up the number of encountered species in Trek that exhibit mental telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation, etc. some of whom have straight up god-like abilities that can't be categorized and are not based in any supportable view of where technology or evolution could or should end up. Seems to me there's all manner of fantasy in Trek. It's in just about every single episode. Oh, look, here's a being so ugly that to see him will drive you insane, and there's a Q snapping his fingers to fold space and time, and there's a Greek god, and there's Abraham Lincoln, and oops, now Spock's downloading/uploading his consciousness so he can be resurrected on that planet that was bombed into paradise, and there's Captain Kirk stuck in heaven but Picard will get him out after a horsey ride....but SW's got Jedi, so it's science fantasy, let's make sure that's clear. Clear as mud, the distinction is.
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Lucas tried to make it science-fiction by suddenly introducing Midichlorians as a stoichiometrically measurable thing in order to determine Jedi-ability in the last trilogy... and boy did that suck.
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you're crazy... I've always viewed star wars as a kids show/movie, mostly all conflicts are solved with a light saber or some form of violence. Trek seems much more geared toward an older audience where various forms of resolution are sought... case in point my kid loves star wars, but gets bored with trek, my father loves trek but finds star wars too flashy and action filled...

If I feel like some neon filled action slash I hit star wars, otherwise I'd prefer trek...

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Dude whatever, people in star trek could never survive in star wars but the people in star wars would kick the **** out of people from star trek. R2 would disable data in a second. the death star would kill the borg in one blast. The chicks are way hotter in SW then ST. Solo would be on the bridge of the enterprise and just point his finger around and yell what a bunch of candy ass uniforms, and ask warf who took a dump on his head. Jaba the hut would make geordi his bitch and on and on. Don't get me started on what Darth would do with that candy ass socialist crew of the enterprise.
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Dude whatever, people in star trek could never survive in star wars but the people in star wars would kick the **** out of people from star trek. R2 would disable data in a second. the death star would kill the borg in one blast. The chicks are way hotter in SW then ST. Solo would be on the bridge of the enterprise and just point his finger around and yell what a bunch of candy ass uniforms, and ask warf who took a dump on his head. Jaba the hut would make geordi his bitch and on and on. Don't get me started on what Darth would do with that candy ass socialist crew of the enterprise.
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Dude whatever, people in star trek could never survive in star wars but the people in star wars would kick the **** out of people from star trek. R2 would disable data in a second. the death star would kill the borg in one blast. The chicks are way hotter in SW then ST. Solo would be on the bridge of the enterprise and just point his finger around and yell what a bunch of candy ass uniforms, and ask warf who took a dump on his head. Jaba the hut would make geordi his bitch and on and on. Don't get me started on what Darth would do with that candy ass socialist crew of the enterprise.
Ya, like I said, for children...
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Oh so that's what matters, who could kill who. What are you mullet, 12 years old?
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 10:31 PM   #29
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Ya, like I said, for children...
To be fair, trekkies still live with their parents. So....
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think that there would not have been the money to make a sci fi movie like star wars if star trek hadnt made scifi as popular as it did basically.
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