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Old Feb 10, 2010, 06:09 PM   #1
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Who else enjoys their very heavy and probably big unenvironmentally friendly vehicles??
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Old Feb 10, 2010, 06:42 PM   #2
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Old Feb 10, 2010, 06:54 PM   #3
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Old Feb 10, 2010, 07:08 PM   #4
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I used to daily drive my pathfinder. Literally the only thing nice about it was being able to see over traffic. Financially, it was incredibly stupid(though that doesn't bother you much, you love making bad decisions), it was also less safe(stopping distance compared to cars, increased chance of rollover), and even with the extra hp I had, just stupidly slow. It made absolutely no practical sense, because, like you, I didn't haul anything besides maybe on weekends. I also rarely offroaded, so even that excuse was weak as hell. No, I much prewfer to drive my bimmer, its a much more intelligent choice.
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Old Feb 10, 2010, 07:41 PM   #5
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My parents both drive heavy vehicles.

Dad: 2002 Chevy Tahoe (5.3L V8 w/auto), curb weight of 5050lbs.
Mom: 2005 Jeep Liberty Renegade (3.7L V6, w/auto), curb weight of 4033lbs.
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We've got a 2005 Pacifica AWD Touring model. It weights in at 4,639 lbs, and feels like it. I personally hate to drive it, but my wife loves it. Works out well for the kids, but I think we're getting a minivan for her next car. They just have more space/storage for the kids crap on trips.
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I used to daily drive my pathfinder. Literally the only thing nice about it was being able to see over traffic. Financially, it was incredibly stupid(though that doesn't bother you much, you love making bad decisions), it was also less safe(stopping distance compared to cars, increased chance of rollover), and even with the extra hp I had, just stupidly slow. It made absolutely no practical sense, because, like you, I didn't haul anything besides maybe on weekends. I also rarely offroaded, so even that excuse was weak as hell. No, I much prewfer to drive my bimmer, its a much more intelligent choice.
I didn't ask you what you thought about my life choices. I made choices based on what was best at the time.

I also love being able to see over traffic. Not to mention the explorer and mountaineer are in the top 5 of cheapest vehicles (yes, thats every vehicle) to insure, which in NY is really important because insurance is already way more then every other state in the country.

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We've got a 2005 Pacifica AWD Touring model. It weights in at 4,639 lbs, and feels like it. I personally hate to drive it, but my wife loves it. Works out well for the kids, but I think we're getting a minivan for her next car. They just have more space/storage for the kids crap on trips.
Holy mother of christ! Thats over 200lbs more then my 98, and over 400lbs more then my 2003.
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Old Feb 10, 2010, 09:30 PM   #8
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was also less safe(stopping distance compared to cars, increased chance of rollover)
This depends on how you define less safe. I'd say cars are better at allowing an alert driver to avoid accidents, but you're far more likely to survive one in a giant truck.
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This depends on how you define less safe. I'd say cars are better at allowing an alert driver to avoid accidents, but you're far more likely to survive one in a giant truck.
Maybe if all you care about is your safety. Also trucks and suvs aren't subject to the same regulations cars are when it comes to safety, ever see some of those crash tests? They're brutal.
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Maybe we should start a thread about how every one of the threads Shadowless starts are so he can whine and moan about one thing or another. "Waah I hate my job". "Waah people are idiots". "Waah people don't know how to buy cars". "Waah I hate this car and this car". "Waah this and waah that and waah whatever".

Jesus. Maybe you don't have any joy in life, but you don't have to bring the rest of us down with you.
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Your Mounty still sucks.

It doesnt have a big block. Sry.
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The ess you vee I just bought my old lady is a big fat nasty beast, but I like how comfortable it is, and how quiet the ride is. I also like the way the guages glow .

I also like the awd because when I go over to my sister-in-law's trailer we don't get stuck at the top of the driveway . It's no Mountaineer though... it's pretty damn slow, but that's good because my wife would kill herself with a fast car. She wanted a base model Mustang they had up at the lot when we bought her Durango, but I told her she was crazy, with a spoiler like that she would vroom vroom herself into oblivion.
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We've got a 2005 Pacifica AWD Touring model. It weights in at 4,639 lbs, and feels like it. I personally hate to drive it, but my wife loves it. Works out well for the kids, but I think we're getting a minivan for her next car. They just have more space/storage for the kids crap on trips.
i think it drives very nice, almost car-like. the only thing i dont like about the pacifica is its gas mileage ~16-22 and the wicked blind spot.

it sure makes driving around 1/2 a soccer team much more pleasurable.

ours normally sits until the weekends

i think we have 22k miles on it
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Maybe if all you care about is your safety. Also trucks and suvs aren't subject to the same regulations cars are when it comes to safety, ever see some of those crash tests? They're brutal.
Most trucks have been good safety-wise since 2004 really...

edit: but I know what you mean. The crash tests of pre-2004 F150's were horrible to watch. Talk about death traps...
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Your Mounty still sucks.

It doesnt have a big block. Sry.
Big blocks - pffft that's so 1960's. Seriously though, short of the Superduty's I don't think Ford has made a big block in over a decade.
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Parents bought 09 Journey (4200lbs) and i must say it doesnt drive all that bad. It has the smaller engine, 2.4L 4 banger, so dont expect to be pulling anything but its totally fine for everyday driving... Its rather decent on gas as well. Not a class leading vehicle, but because of its price and the ergonomics its a great value automobile. Will i be able to say the same things about it 5yrs from now, only time will tell.
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Well sure if you buy a crate engine. Should have said, I don't think Ford is making new vehicles with big blocks, short of the SuperDuty's
Ford builds a 427 for a Rousche Mustang, supposed to make 700hp and no charger on it.
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Is it actually a big block? Can fit a 427 in a small block.
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Ok, the point here guys is that you shouldn't give a guy crap for having a small block when Ford hasn't offered a big block suv in probably 20 years. And why would anyone put a crate big block in a Mountaineer? (assuming it would even fit)
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Ok, the point here guys is that you shouldn't give a guy crap for having a small block when Ford hasn't offered a big block suv in probably 20 years. And why would anyone put a crate big block in a Mountaineer? (assuming it would even fit)
Because they go by Shadowless on internet forums, and think Mountaineers/Explorers are the be-all-end-all vehicle?
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Old Feb 11, 2010, 01:23 PM   #24
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Old Feb 11, 2010, 11:31 PM   #25
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Most trucks have been good safety-wise since 2004 really...

edit: but I know what you mean. The crash tests of pre-2004 F150's were horrible to watch. Talk about death traps...
imo, the generation prior to 2004 is easily the worst gen for the f150's ever. Only good thing that came out of them is the 4406 transfer case.

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Big blocks - pffft that's so 1960's. Seriously though, short of the Superduty's I don't think Ford has made a big block in over a decade.
Early 80's was the last time ford used a big block in any production vehicle.

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Ford builds a 427 for a Rousche Mustang, supposed to make 700hp and no charger on it.
it's not a 427, dude. 427 was the horsepower that the first "427R" put out. The 427R is a supercharged 4.6L.

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Is it actually a big block? Can fit a 427 in a small block.
no, it's a 4.6L.

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Ok, the point here guys is that you shouldn't give a guy crap for having a small block when Ford hasn't offered a big block suv in probably 20 years. And why would anyone put a crate big block in a Mountaineer? (assuming it would even fit)
nothing bigger then a 4.6L will fit in a 3rd gen, and nothing bigger then a 302 will fit into a 2nd gen.

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Because they go by Shadowless on internet forums, and think Mountaineers/Explorers are the be-all-end-all vehicle?
They have a 5-star safety rating, they are one of the cheapest vehicles to insure, you can drive them into the ground, they are extremely reliable, and the most important thing is, it fits all my needs.

I just don't see how you still can't grasp that a car doesnt fit my needs...
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it's not a 427, dude. 427 was the horsepower that the first "427R" put out. The 427R is a supercharged 4.6L.
Yeah... the 427R...

Not what I'm talking about...

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It's roots are the 6.2L... Not the 4.6L...

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you don't need a big heavy car to be environmentally unfriendly. i'm sure my rotor destroys the environment much more than a v8 suv
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Yeah... the 427R...

Not what I'm talking about...



It's roots are the 6.2L... Not the 4.6L...

It's still not a production motor...
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It's still not a production motor...
All production vechicles are prototypes at some point... The 6.2L Boss is production, since it's around 370 ci, small blocks tend to top out at 360ci/6.0L, and apparently it can go even bigger than 427ci which would make it a big block.

So the the Roush 777 answers the first edition, and the 6.2L Boss answers the first and second edition of Curio's posts.

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Big blocks - pffft that's so 1960's. Seriously though, short of the Superduty's I don't think Ford has made a big block in over a decade.
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Well sure if you buy a crate engine. Should have said, I don't think Ford is making new vehicles with big blocks, short of the SuperDuty's


Edit: Apparently Ford doesn't class their engines as big or small block.
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All production vechicles are prototypes at some point... The 6.2L Boss is production, since it's around 370 ci, small blocks tend to top out at 360ci/6.0L, and apparently it can go even bigger than 427ci which would make it a big block.

So the the Roush 777 answers the first edition, and the 6.2L Boss answers the first and second edition of Curio's posts.







Edit: Apparently Ford doesn't class their engines as big or small block.
Uh, last I checked, big block and small block isn't about displacement, but the actual size of the block, hence you can have a small block 454, and you can have a big block 454. Maybe Ford doesn't classify them as such, but I know that's the case with GM engines.
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