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Old Mar 3, 2021, 10:23 AM   #541
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479$ MSRP



Still too much for me...

Dissapointed they didnt release Super Resolution with this. And AIB prices are rumored to be around 600$ so about the same as 3070 which it does match roughly.

Game clocks are a lot faster than the 6800's tho at 2400 mhz. ~25% faster and AIB's are sure to go even higher.
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Old Mar 3, 2021, 12:29 PM   #542
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Dissapointed they didnt release Super Resolution with this. And AIB prices are rumored to be around 600$ so about the same as 3070 which it does match roughly.

Game clocks are a lot faster than the 6800's tho at 2400 mhz. ~25% faster and AIB's are sure to go even higher.
WTF. Surely this has got to be total BS.

https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/amd-radeo...ormance-price/

Cowcotland are claiming only 100 MBA units and 100 AIB to be made available at launch and MBA going to EOL straight after. Other sites are claiming better availability.

Hopefully this is more accurate.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/3/22...y-gpu-graphics
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Looks like a good 3070 competitor or even beater.
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I'm perfectly happy. It's sitting in exactly the price/performance ratio spot I'm interested in. Low availability is a duh and utterly un-avoidable scenario at this point. Welcome to 2021, it's like 2020 but without the shock factor.
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Ya no I doubt availability will be that low. I mean 100 units for all of France on launch day? That makes no sense.

But will it sell out for the first couple months and be grossly overpriced even as MSRP is overpriced? Sure.
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I'm perfectly happy. It's sitting in exactly the price/performance ratio spot I'm interested in. Low availability is a duh and utterly un-avoidable scenario at this point. Welcome to 2021, it's like 2020 but without the shock factor.

Its ~50% faster than my vega 64 but without showcasing RT perf on CP2077 at 1440p and super resolution its not an easy upgrade for me for now.

Vega plays well still tho its crazy to see this 2560 shaders gpu beat vegas 4064 shaders even worse than the 5700xt.
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This had me spit coffee through my nose when I saw that this morning

99 grand for a RTX3060. I guess this is marketing at its best, not to put 100 k!

I know it's likely a placeholder but still, it might not be too far from the reality for the Canadian market!!!!

https://www.newegg.ca/gigabyte-gefor...82E16814932402

Edit: and they still would charge 10$ for shipping
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Harsh but seemingly true I'm afraid. Despite launching the 6800/6900XT AMD has actually lost market share which is a bit troubling. As the article says if the 6700XT goes the same way with supply issues the market share drop will continue. Currently AMD's market share is just 18%.

https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/amd-radeo...share-decline/

As the article states this doesn't reflect the quality of the products it's virtually all to do with supply issues some of which they could have seen coming and others which they couldn't. Paradoxically their market share drops just as they become competitive again at the top end. We are indeed living in interesting times.
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TLDW: its a software based solution works on both Nav1 and Navi2 and is up to 2x perf improvement.

If true means we might see games on dlss/SR get better perf than Nvidia.
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Of course you can get up to 2x performance with a software only solution, at the expense of image quality.

Also until we get an in depth analysis of SR, don't get your hopes up on a "software only" upscaler. This will probably be more similar to DLSS 1.0 than DLSS 2.0, especially without any kind of AI image processing involved.
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TLDW: its a software based solution works on both Nav1 and Navi2 and is up to 2x perf improvement.

If true means we might see games on dlss/SR get better perf than Nvidia.
"software based" is a stupid stupid thing to say . It's accelerated by the GPU.
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What hardware is leveraged by the software remains to be seen. It doesnt have to be worse than a dedicated hw solution. Even it means not having supercomputer ai timefor every title.
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Of course you can get up to 2x performance with a software only solution, at the expense of image quality.

Also until we get an in depth analysis of SR, don't get your hopes up on a "software only" upscaler. This will probably be more similar to DLSS 1.0 than DLSS 2.0, especially without any kind of AI image processing involved.
Yup. We shouldn't be getting our hopes up till we see it in action.

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What hardware is leveraged by the software remains to be seen. It doesnt have to be worse than a dedicated hw solution. Even it means not having supercomputer ai timefor every title.
nVidia isn't making heavy use of per-game training to pre-train the DLSS AI anymore. It's a more generalized AI now and makes use of temporal jittered data to create an output. It then compares that to what it thinks that should look like and goes from there. Which generally looks pretty damn great.

The lines between "Software" and "Hardware" based get blurrier everyday. But I think the simplest way to look at it now is, does run on the CPU? No? Then it's not really software accelerated.
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Well RT comes to mind when they added a 'software RT' leveraging regular shaders and it didnt run on cpu. It was still called a software solution.

Its a grey zone for sure. Having dedicated hw to a function is one thing but I think the amd version can be good while being less reliant on dedicated gpu hw. If its built off of TAA it should be decent. I think the diff in quality vs DLSS will be marginal at best when they combine it with Radeon Boost and Fidelity FX Contrast Adaptive Sharpening.
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How would Radeon Boost even work with something like this? Radeon Boost is a software algorithm lowering your rendering resolution during fast mouse movement; that's not compatible with things like DLSS and super resolution. The image resolution shifting wildly would make it impossible to have a steady image.

I'm also curious how you think a solution like Radeon Boost that is dropping the rendering resolution in some cases to 50% or lower in order to boost framerates is somehow going to help AMD compete with NV in the image quality department. Radeon Boost rapes IQ, it doesn't help.

Radeon Boost is super gimmicky anyway; reminds me of NV Reflex. It's all marketing garbage.
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Old Mar 8, 2021, 11:02 PM   #561
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It only works when you dont see it. You dont need perfect view all the time for a few milliseconds if you can get more stable fps... same for variable shading where objects further out dont need to be rendered that highly.
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This will probably be more similar to DLSS 1.0 than DLSS 2.0, especially without any kind of AI image processing involved.

Apparently there is some sort of AI machine learning with AMD's implementation. I'd be very surprised if it even matches DLSS 2.0, though.
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Fidelity Fx CAS looked better than dlss 1.0 so I dont think they will regress from there. Considering they can mix and stack these options together when SR comes out Im not that worried. But itll be interesting how they compare things in different settings seeing as DLSS has 3 settings.
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That's highly subjective, both look like ass.
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It only works when you dont see it. You dont need perfect view all the time for a few milliseconds if you can get more stable fps... same for variable shading where objects further out dont need to be rendered that highly.
Your statement was that Radeon Boost combined with SR would improve quality, but Radeon Boost is specifically meant to reduce quality for performance. I'm confused how something that drops your rendering resolution improves quality, but also at the same time I'm not sure Radeon Boost could work with SR due the way SR works. It's taking an image and upsampling, so I'm not sure you can have something dramatically changing the rendering resolution for seconds at a time as well. They do not sound compatible.
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Well upsampling is also about more fps so the quality of the gaming experience.

Thers no point on getting nicer quality picture if you cant improve the fps. If you can upsample well and in some scenes lower temporarily to maintain fps without too many drops the whole experience is better.

I dont see why it couldnt work some youtubers have mentionned the FX suite can be mixed in together. We also arent sure who SR will run. Im now hearing it will have super computer ai training at first as well but some said it was skipping that.

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That's highly subjective, both look like ass.
If you compare them both to dlss2 sure but cas clearly looked better than dlss 1.

https://www.techspot.com/article/187...s-nvidia-dlss/
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I've used both and they equally suck ass. RIS looks like you've turned sharpness way too high on your TV and shimmers like a mofo with a grainy image. DLSS 1.0 looks the opposite, kinda like AMD's old narrow and wide tent filters.
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https://twitter.com/3DCenter_org/sta...99411320414210

Ya not too surprised amd had a slow ramp up on the new parts in Q4 but will be interesting to see how they did in Q1 of this year.

They need to at least double if not triple their production or lose massive sales in AIB.


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AMD approx. 1.9 million pieces

Nvidia approx. 9.0 million pieces

And to give an example of what we all suspected that AMD was prioritizing other silicon like the consoles they shipped approx. 3.6 million pieces in Q4 2019.
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And Uh holy ****... they only made how many discrete gpus last year?

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gp...rt-q4-2020-jpr



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