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Old Aug 4, 2015, 10:49 PM   #61
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So the CEO says. We have not heard from the clients that left him.

And bacon nailed it. You guys are closet communists. There is a reason that communism will never work. People are not machines, they will not just follow orders and do what ever the state tells them to. I am really afraid for our future.
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Old Aug 4, 2015, 11:02 PM   #62
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A company can pay their employees whatever they choose and, conversely, employees are free to leave if they think their compensation is unfair.

You clowns are acting like the CEO is picking your pockets to pay some receptionist $70,000.
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A company can pay their employees whatever they choose and, conversely, employees are free to leave if they think their compensation is unfair.

You clowns are acting like the CEO is picking your pockets to pay some receptionist $70,000.
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Old Aug 4, 2015, 11:53 PM   #65
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You have 2 hats full of little slips of papers with names on them. One hat has college graduates. The other hat has non-college graduates. You can pick which hat to reach into.

You get to select the pool. The selection within each pool is random. Which hat will you reach into?
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Should a receptionist make more than an airline pilot? What does this have to do with my statement?
Someone spent time to get higher education and learn something that someone else isn't qualified to do.
The non-qualified person doing whatever the job they do end up getting paid the same amount as the person who went to school to learn it.

You think they should be paid equal salaries?

The other side of the coin is that they are completely different jobs and should really have no bearing on how much the other one gets.

To me I would probably be a little jealous about their job getting paid as much as me, but then if I wanted to do their job I would try doing their job instead of what I am doing. I don't care if burger flippers at mcdonalds make more than hourly wage. I don't care if their managers get more than me. I don't want to do that work.

The job to me is more important than the money. I'd rather have a job I like and get paid good, than tolerate a job I hate and get paid great.

Im thinking the CEO raised it too damn high and disrupted everything.
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You have 2 hats full of little slips of papers with names on them. One hat has college graduates. The other hat has non-college graduates. You can pick which hat to reach into.

You get to select the pool. The selection within each pool is random. Which hat will you reach into?
depends on what the team is working towards.....
and if there is any background to the names in the hat.

What if the goal is to make music?
What if none of the people in the college pool have any musical background/taste/talent while some of the non college grads do?
and what if you just so happened to go straight to the college pool because you felt they were a superior selection because grads?

What if you were starting a automative shop?
The college grad you picked out of the hat has knowledge of mechanical design and engineering of engine parts, but doesn't know jacksquat about changing his oil?
The college dropout/non grad just so happens to fix cars with his uncle or dad or someone in his spare time?
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Yah, OK
Whatever you want to believe. If that was the case, why is the guy in financial problems now?
It is so funny to see you people in the lower mainland leech off us people in the north, that are the bank account for BC then tell us how economics work.
But, whatever.
He's lost Clients. No money In, no money Out.

WTF does my location have to do with anything?
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Leaving one unfair company isn't too hard.

But I wonder if these 2 are aware how unfair the planet Earth is.
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Lead. People that think everyone should be paid the same are communists. What part of that confuses you?
They don't like it when you call it socialism or communism. Its progressive thinking, and compassion for your fellow man.

The fact that he lost two of his most valued people speaks more than I could ever say. Funny how most want to label them selfish.

I bet they will be at or near the top of the food chain at their next job as well.
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One recurring theme I'm seeing is, "I'm more -qualified- therefore I get paid more."

Okay, yes... to a certain extent, that is appropriate. You've made the effort to expand your skill set, you've got debts accrued as a result of it, you fill a certain position in a company that requires that skill set. Those are all things that do merit extra reward.

But now take into consideration the positions "below" you. They may be less demanding on the technical level, requiring less expertise, less training, less mental ability... but many of those "lower" positions require longer hours, greater physical application whether by strength or stamina, may require the person to deal with situations others don't desire to deal with, or be outright more dangerous in certain situations. That deserves to be compensated for too.

If a person is lazy overall, then sure, penalize them. But if a person is making a consistent, worthwhile contribution, doing the most in their position, then the difference between skill set payment benefits really shouldn't be that great, at least in my humble opinion.
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One recurring theme I'm seeing is, "I'm more -qualified- therefore I get paid more."

Okay, yes... to a certain extent, that is appropriate. You've made the effort to expand your skill set, you've got debts accrued as a result of it, you fill a certain position in a company that requires that skill set. Those are all things that do merit extra reward.

But now take into consideration the positions "below" you. They may be less demanding on the technical level, requiring less expertise, less training, less mental ability... but many of those "lower" positions require longer hours, greater physical application whether by strength or stamina, may require the person to deal with situations others don't desire to deal with, or be outright more dangerous in certain situations. That deserves to be compensated for too.

If a person is lazy overall, then sure, penalize them. But if a person is making a consistent, worthwhile contribution, doing the most in their position, then the difference between skill set payment benefits really shouldn't be that great, at least in my humble opinion.
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A CEO setting whatever wages he wishes is now considered communism. Oh well
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A CEO setting whatever wages he wishes is now considered communism. Oh well
And people in a thread about it, who are in no way, shape or form advocating everyone gets paid the same, are communists too.
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A CEO setting whatever wages he wishes is now considered communism. Oh well
He is doing what communist do, and he is getting the same results.
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He is doing what communist do, and he is getting the same results.
He's not paying everyone the same wage, you've made that up.
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He's not paying everyone the same wage, you've made that up.
I did not say they were making exactly the same. You attack and attack to defend his stupidity because you believe in it. Too bad 100 years of history tells us it is a failed idea.

Wow, he is not paying anyone much more than 70,000. That is why the people left. It will keep the sucky people around, but the best will leave to go where they can have a chance at greater pay. When the boss is making 70,000, you can't expect to make much more, now can you?
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I did not say they were making exactly the same. You attack and attack to defend his stupidity because you believe in it. Too bad 100 years of history tells us it is a failed idea.

Wow, he is not paying anyone much more than 70,000. That is why the people left. It will keep the sucky people around, but the best will leave to go where they can have a chance at greater pay. When the boss is making 70,000, you can't expect to make much more, now can you?
You literally called people in this thread communists. I don't think you've got a leg to stand on when it comes to others supposedly attacking.

You don't know the pay structure in his company any more than I do, what we do know is the minimum is 70k, and that not everyone is making 70k. It's his choice what he pays his employees, and whether he takes a pay cut to give them a good living. He's absorbing hard times himself so his employees don't have to. That doesn't make him a communist, it makes altruistic.

Not everyone believes in ruthless capitalism, that doesn't automatically make them communists.
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A consistent misconception I'm seeing here is that a few people seam to think that the 2 that left the company where getting equal pay to those who got the minimum raise, that was simply not the case the article stated he raised the minimum wage but made no mention about the wage gap for other employees which we assume where getting paid the amount they deserved which was likely higher then the minimum.

So to those calling some of us closet communist, you are confusing our issues with the story with your own anti communist views which are misplaced in this topic.
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A consistent misconception I'm seeing here is that a few people seam to think that the 2 that left the company where getting equal pay to those who got the minimum raise, that was simply not the case the article stated he raised the minimum wage but made no mention about the wage gap for other employees which we assume where getting paid the amount they deserved which was likely higher then the minimum.

So to those calling some of us closet communist, you are confusing our issues with the story with your own anti communist views which are misplaced in this topic.
It's getting all logical up in here.
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Lead. People that think everyone should be paid the same are communists. What part of that confuses you?
It's not communism unless it's the common control or collective control of production, goods, and services

A CEO of a private company deciding to pay his employees the same in a free market is hardly communism. There is no common control, it is not community shared control. Him and his brother are still the only owners, and the business is still operating in an open market where production is not controlled.
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A private company deciding to pay people the same in a free market is hardly communism


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One recurring theme I'm seeing is, "I'm more -qualified- therefore I get paid more."

Okay, yes... to a certain extent, that is appropriate. You've made the effort to expand your skill set, you've got debts accrued as a result of it, you fill a certain position in a company that requires that skill set. Those are all things that do merit extra reward.

But now take into consideration the positions "below" you. They may be less demanding on the technical level, requiring less expertise, less training, less mental ability... but many of those "lower" positions require longer hours, greater physical application whether by strength or stamina, may require the person to deal with situations others don't desire to deal with, or be outright more dangerous in certain situations. That deserves to be compensated for too.

If a person is lazy overall, then sure, penalize them. But if a person is making a consistent, worthwhile contribution, doing the most in their position, then the difference between skill set payment benefits really shouldn't be that great, at least in my humble opinion.
Maybe if companies stopped hiring illegals or the government cracked down on the companies that did these types of jobs may pay more to attract good workers. Its a problem thats rampant in construction, agriculture, and restaurants in the us.
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Old Aug 5, 2015, 11:03 AM   #84
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Yup, they're free to run their company into the ground any way they choose.
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Old Aug 5, 2015, 11:29 AM   #85
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Maybe if companies stopped hiring illegals or the government cracked down on the companies that did these types of jobs may pay more to attract good workers. Its a problem thats rampant in construction, agriculture, and restaurants in the us.
If there weren't illegals there would be another class of "lower" people taken advantage of. The problem isn't with who is doing the work, it's with how the work is valued. Low skill hard labor will never be valued as much as high skilled low labor work, even though it's much harder to do much of the low skilled work, physically.
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I think that everyone who has more money than they can hold in both their hands should give the rest to me.

But that's just me.
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If there weren't illegals there would be another class of "lower" people taken advantage of. The problem isn't with who is doing the work, it's with how the work is valued. Low skill hard labor will never be valued as much as high skilled low labor work, even though it's much harder to do much of the low skilled work, physically.
That's why people used to be able to make a fair living roofing or working at a farm.

I work in enough greenhouses to see enough skilled illegals that if they had the options the rest of us do would be making more money elsewhere. Meanwhile the owners make a killing.

Who's going to break their ass at a farm when they can make similar money at a much easier job? You're either very condescending or ignorant if you think that modern agriculture is an unskilled profession. Yes, like any other trade there are people at the bottom.
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That's why people used to be able to make a fair living roofing or working at a farm.

I work in enough greenhouses to see enough skilled illegals that if they had the options the rest of us do would be making more money elsewhere. Meanwhile the owners make a killing.

Who's going to break their ass at a farm when they can make similar money at a much easier job? You're either very condescending or ignorant if you think that modern agriculture is an unskilled profession. Yes, like any other trade there are people at the bottom.
I believe hard work should be compensated well, but there are many people who don't, as evidenced by paying such hard workers so low.
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