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Old Nov 6, 2009, 01:21 PM   #1
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So, have a nice Ipod Touch. Great device.

Itunes...well, Itunes sucks. As a media player, as a music organizer, etc...pretty much fails at everything I am looking for in a music player.

So, I used Media Monkey to load my Ipod. Worked GREAT. Just missing an album art. No worries, I might, maybe could find a way to do that in itunes.

Open itunes, and frak, the little "Synch in progress" text came up. Thats NEVER good when it involves Itunes.

Oh look. I tunes deleted all my music on the ipod. Thanks Itunes!
Wait, whats this? 7 gigs in "other" on used space? Oh joy! Itunes decided to leave the music (in the most ****ed up file struncture on the planet) and just deleted the records of them!

Yay! A full ipod with no accessible music!

**** you Itunes.

**** You.


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And another thing. Who the hell writes a program that won't let you edit ID3 tags?! "Oh, I don't know what this song is, so I'm going to leave artist, and album blank"

"What? You filled in the blanks?! Well that was obviously unintentional, here, let me delete those for you. It doesn't exist in my database, so therefor those songs don't have an artist or album"

Who the well wrote this program? It's worse than Windows 98 1st edition. It also has the honor of being the ONLY program to crash windows 7 on me. Nothing else has managed that. Not even things written 15 years ago that have no business running on windows 7.

Piece of **** software.
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Old Nov 6, 2009, 01:32 PM   #2
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I hate using iTunes, but those aren't valid problems if you RTFM'd or used common sense.
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Old Nov 6, 2009, 01:36 PM   #3
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I hate using iTunes, but those aren't valid problems if you RTFM'd or used common sense.
Itunes has a manual? Thats sad in and of itself.

As for other points:
I turned off auto-synch. Full manual. All the good it does. It resets those commands when it autoupdates. Even when you tell it not to.

Honestly, I've been using multimedia programs for most of my life, and I've only ever had issues with this one.

Biggest peice of bloated rotting **** I've ever used on a computer. I honestly can't think of any other program that is this craptastic.
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Old Nov 6, 2009, 02:08 PM   #4
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Itunes has a manual? Thats sad in and of itself.

As for other points:
I turned off auto-synch. Full manual. All the good it does. It resets those commands when it autoupdates. Even when you tell it not to.
I think using your ipod with MM and then plugging it back into iTunes makes iTunes recognize it as a new device and screws up your auto/manual synch flag.

What about ID3 tagging, are you telling me you haven't figured that one out yet?
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With all the anti-Apple and Apple created software threads we've been having lately, we should just make a whole "**** you Apple!" sub-forum.
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I honestly can't think of any other program that is this craptastic.
You're using Windows so isn't that a bit of an oxymoron?
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This is clearly user error.

I've edited tags for years in iTunes. They comply with tag standards and will carry across other media playing software. If you find that the artist and album are blank when you put in iTunes, it's because the tags aren't there in the first place.

I use Media Monkey and mp3tagger everytime I rip a new CD or download from the unknown. MM for tagging with album art, artist, song title, track number, genre. Then I use mp3tagger to rename the file itself based off the tags I've made. Then I load into iTunes. Everything always comes out gravy. I use iTunes for those one off singles for tagging and getting artwork, which I hate doing because I prefer to have the entire album. Anyways...

I run iTunes on my 64 bit Windows 7 Pro install without issue.

Syncing has never deleted media from my iPhone.
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This is clearly user error.

I've edited tags for years in iTunes. They comply with tag standards and will carry across other media playing software. If you find that the artist and album are blank when you put in iTunes, it's because the tags aren't there in the first place.

I use Media Monkey and mp3tagger everytime I rip a new CD or download from the unknown. MM for tagging with album art, artist, song title, track number, genre. Then I use mp3tagger to rename the file itself based off the tags I've made. Then I load into iTunes. Everything always comes out gravy. I use iTunes for those one off singles for tagging and getting artwork, which I hate doing because I prefer to have the entire album. Anyways...

I run iTunes on my 64 bit Windows 7 Pro install without issue.

Syncing has never deleted media from my iPhone.
If you've ever done a HIG course you would know there is no such thing as user error in software - only badly designed software. If you do something wrong, that you did not intend, then the interface has failed.

Of course the vast majority of programs do a terrible job, but apple is supposed to be the one who knows about this sort of thing.

Also, no one cares about your experiences, they are 100% irrelevant in the thread starters experience, obviously.
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Using itunes is like having to put your hand in your anus every time you want to chew something. You can learn how to do it well over time, but why would you want to?

It's designed for single-button-mashing retards.
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Wrong. iTunes is ****ing horrible music management software.

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I use Media Monkey and mp3tagger everytime I rip a new CD or download from the unknown. MM for tagging with album art, artist, song title, track number, genre. Then I use mp3tagger to rename the file itself based off the tags I've made.
*face palm*
Media Monkey does this for you. Not only does it do that for you, but it will re-org your file structure based on id3 tags. You even get to tell it how to di it.


As opposed to iTunes,
"Oh hi, I'm iTunes. *waiting re-orging the **** out of your library*"
"Wait wtf, I didn't say do that."
"iTunes has finished re-orging your library. And renaming all files to replace characters it doesn't like with underscores."
"God damn it iTunes."
"iTunes will now retag all your files."
"arg, cancel button isn't working!!!."

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I hate Itunes as well, I use YamIpod personally. I'm sure there's better, but it works.

For the tags in Itunes: Right-click on the track you want to edit the tags, click on Get Info, then on the Info tab is all of your tags.
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Itunes is quite frankly terrible. It follows the "Apple knows best" mentality and it tries to force you do do what it wants to do. Apple fail.
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Wrong. iTunes is ****ing horrible music management software.
Whatever you may think of iTunes, it's still PEBCAK in this case.
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I hardly even use itunes except for the rare OS upgrade for my phone. I have all of my music on my phone already and rarely add anything new. I also download a bunch of podcasts before I go out of town about once a month or so. I've never really gotten too deep in tagging all my songs or any serious organization, as long as the song, artist and album title labels are right, and the art is there I'm good to go. I keep all my stuff in one big folder, using the "sort by.." buttons in Windows to list by artist, album etc. That's about the extent of my music organization. :\

Never had it erase any of my stuff or anything like that. In the options you can give yourself as much or as little control over the sync process and what occurs during it as you want. I think leaving it at defaults though it wants to sync your whole library everytime, and I also think it's set to automatically open itunes and sync whenever you plug in, which is very annoying to me. I'm a manual sync guy myself . I tell it exactly what to sync, when I want it done. Absolutely nothing happens automatically when I plug my phone up, that's the way I like it.

For my use it's functional, and does it's job. Though, since I do almost nothing with it I guess you could say itunes is very good at doing almost nothing .
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Rather than claim PEBCAK, I'll back you on this. I hate iTunes as well as how iPods handle music. It renames all of your music files to some short-form encryption which is both ridiculous and unnecessary as no other MP3 players does this. I despise iTunes so much I even uninstalled it from Mac. And for an MP3 player as much as I love the physical design of the Nano, I bought a Sansa Fuze instead which uses a simple file system any computer can understand; and if you want album art just save a JPG to the folder called "album art.jpg".

My advice is get WinAmp. It can manage your iPod MP3's for you, it's stable, it's sophisticated, and it's bloat-free. I've used WinAmp since version 1.x on Win95, and I like it so much I actually purchased Pro edition to encode all my music CD's to MP3.
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I organize my music via a folder system I set up many many years ago.

But yes, to play music, I use Winamp. But as stated, it is terrible for organizing / ID tagging music. For that I use Media Monkey. Also, Winamp can't read/write to the newer IPod touches. Media monkey can (Using the Beta release). I've been using Winamp since 1.53 though, so I can relate.

The statement about ID3 tagging in Itunes is, I tell it to change an ID3 tag, and it deletes the ID3 tag I just created. Which is annoying, because I can do it in any other player in a matter of seconds, and then ITunes will recogize it.

short answer, I wish I didn't have to have ITunes installed.
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Have you tried CopyTrans Manager? I found it on google, looks interesting:

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Yep, actually this has been the easiest way to add album art for the albums missing it. However to add/edit track/retag, nothing beats media monkey.

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The decision to keep the single button mouse was not a Jobs decision though. His only bad mousing decision was the iMac "puck" mouse, and that was a doozy.

I use iTunes. It's fine, even if I end up using Front Row a heck of a lot more. I've never had any sort of tagging problems with iTunes.

There is one caveat though. Don't ever really use iTunes to manage your library on Windows, because it sticks in on your boot drive so if you ever have to reformat, you're screwed (assuming you don't backup).

The problem is that if you edit tags, I believe it changes iTunes XML files in your My Music Library but doesn't save them to the files if you chose that iTunes not run your library. I haven't verified because I'm lazy but I noticed that with a few albums that I always have to constantly retag every time I reformat or when I copied the album over from my PC to my Mac. It could be an old quirk on Windows but I haven't really used iTunes since I downgraded to XP in July. Not even sure it's installed on my PC...
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Rather than claim PEBCAK, I'll back you on this. I hate iTunes as well as how iPods handle music. It renames all of your music files to some short-form encryption which is both ridiculous and unnecessary as no other MP3 players does this.
I've never encountered that.
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Changing artwork in iTunes is automatic, and if the album is obscure, you can drag and drop the jpg onto the album art box of the Get Info dialog.

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My advice is get WinAmp. It can manage your iPod MP3's for you, it's stable, it's sophisticated, and it's bloat-free. I've used WinAmp since version 1.x on Win95, and I like it so much I actually purchased Pro edition to encode all my music CD's to MP3.
My experience with WinAmp was starkly different. Never really used it after AOL got their clutches on it.
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My experience with WinAmp was starkly different. Never really used it after AOL got their clutches on it.
I agree somewhat, it didn't get better after AOL got it. Defiantly got more bloated (No where near Itunes though!). I mostly use it because it's familiar, and the skinning. But it doesn't manage my music, just plays it.

As for windows users unable to use mouse and keyboard at the same time, that's poppycock. I use keyboard shortcuts continuously while on the PC, I practically live in photo shop and other adobe programs where keyboard shortcuts are necessary to an expedient work flow.

and for itunes renaming files....ever look at the folder structure of your ipod? I know why they did it (So you CANNOT remove music from the device to share, or put on another PC) but it is still annoying. They easily could have used a drag and drop interface like the majority of players out there, they didn't to force users to use ITunes for as long as possible.
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I organize my music via a folder system I set up many many years ago.

But yes, to play music, I use Winamp. But as stated, it is terrible for organizing / ID tagging music. For that I use Media Monkey. Also, Winamp can't read/write to the newer IPod touches. Media monkey can (Using the Beta release). I've been using Winamp since 1.53 though, so I can relate.

The statement about ID3 tagging in Itunes is, I tell it to change an ID3 tag, and it deletes the ID3 tag I just created. Which is annoying, because I can do it in any other player in a matter of seconds, and then ITunes will recogize it.

short answer, I wish I didn't have to have ITunes installed.
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why would I want to reorganize my music on top of another organization system that already is there
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