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Old Aug 19, 2018, 01:45 PM   #361
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https://wccftech.com/gigabyte-geforc...-cards-leaked/

https://wccftech.com/asus-geforce-rt...cards-spotted/

all these aftermarket cards seem to be 2.5 to 3 slot cooling

how hot are they ?

and unless you want two leaf blowers SLI is out without water .
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Hasn't 2.5 slots more or less become the standard for the dual/triple fan aftermarket coolers?

****, even my vanilla 1080 is 2.5 slots, and that is not a hot running card.
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Hasn't 2.5 slots more or less become the standard for the dual/triple fan aftermarket coolers?

****, even my vanilla 1080 is 2.5 slots, and that is not a hot running card.
somewhat yes just want to know if it is needed or overkill

but my 1080 ti strix is closer to 2.25 slot and the new strix looks a full 3 slot

two may not even fit on my crosshair vi hero without touching

they would on my zenith extreme with 4 slot spacing but would still need to be changed to full water
with side fan cards you need about 1 to 1.25 inch between cards for sli and then you have to add a case fan to blow on them
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Oh wccf why you fail at copy and paste so bad...

Also my Aorus 580 XTR is 2.5 slot :D
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My main issue isn't so much the thickness or how hot they may run or their power use and how long it's been since Pascal has been released, but rather the one question that no one seems to have answered yet, in the form of why release both the regular small chip Turing 104 (RTX2080) and the larger Turing 102 ( RTX 2080 TI ), at the same time which obviously is even higher performance.


The regular small chip version looks to be around the same ballpark as the Volta based Titan V in terms of performance so that's a pretty impressive amount of speed if the card sells for 600~700$ when it matches a 3000$ Volta and about 30~35% faster than a 1080 TI, while the big chip may add another 30~40% of top of that and be very close to being the first single GPU to pull off 100+ Fps at 4k with ease.


More to the point, Nvidia is either being very generous with the dual card release at the same time, or they know that something is coming from team red, because they could have just released the small version and kept the large one when AMD released their next generation.....Same strategy as the GTX1080 and GTX1080TI basically.
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My main issue isn't so much the thickness or how hot they may run or their power use and how long it's been since Pascal has been released, but rather the one question that no one seems to have answered yet, in the form of why release both the regular small chip Turing 104 (RTX2080) and the larger Turing 102 ( RTX 2080 TI ), at the same time which obviously is even higher performance.


The regular small chip version looks to be around the same ballpark as the Volta based Titan V in terms of performance so that's a pretty impressive amount of speed if the card sells for 600~700$ when it matches a 3000$ Volta and about 30~35% faster than a 1080 TI, while the big chip may add another 30~40% of top of that and be very close to being the first single GPU to pull off 100+ Fps at 4k with ease.


More to the point, Nvidia is either being very generous with the dual card release at the same time, or they know that something is coming from team red, because they could have just released the small version and kept the large one when AMD released their next generation.....Same strategy as the GTX1080 and GTX1080TI basically.
So what is coming from team Red that has got them worried? Was Lisa Su lying about their roadmap to investors?

More than likely Nvidia saw no point in delaying the Ti if people will just skip over the 2080 anyway, like they did with the 1080 who waited for the Ti version. Couldn't be more evidenced in this thread who said exactly that, they will not buy the 2080 and wait for the 2080Ti. Well bam, now you have both options, Nvidia is just filling their market segments all at once.
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AMD is projected for ~2020 release for new GPUs, aren't they? NV is releasing an early version of Turing with a refresh to hit when AMD releases their next gen.
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2019 they have said

but it does look to me more like 2020


and the Turing refresh should be 7nm and 2019 hopefully
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Oh wccf why you fail at copy and paste so bad...

Also my Aorus 580 XTR is 2.5 slot :D
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that looks like 3 full slots

but I do like the black bracket
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The 2080 is only going to be 8GB, like the 1080? Seriously? That can't be real.

That's an incredibly poor decision if they are truly trying to get 4k gaming more mainstream.
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So what is coming from team Red that has got them worried? Was Lisa Su lying about their roadmap to investors?

More than likely Nvidia saw no point in delaying the Ti if people will just skip over the 2080 anyway, like they did with the 1080 who waited for the Ti version. Couldn't be more evidenced in this thread who said exactly that, they will not buy the 2080 and wait for the 2080Ti. Well bam, now you have both options, Nvidia is just filling their market segments all at once.
I doubt NV is worried about anything new from the red team. Navi will be another mid-range GPU. If they dual launch it'll be because the 2080 doesn't have the grunt to drive their new BFG displays over 60fps at 4k.
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The 2080 is only going to be 8GB, like the 1080? Seriously? That can't be real.

That's an incredibly poor decision if they are truly trying to get 4k gaming more mainstream.
same as last time

2080 8gb

2080 ti 11gb

8gb is fine for 4k

I ran 4k for 2 years on 4gb with fury x cfx and only two games ever had a problem with it but ran anyway
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AMD is projected for ~2020 release for new GPUs, aren't they? NV is releasing an early version of Turing with a refresh to hit when AMD releases their next gen.

There is the Vega at 7nm being produced for the Instinct series of cards though, and though to be largely the same as the current 14nm Vega but with some 6000 shaders in it, and Lisa sue was quoted that there will be a gamer version of this either late this year or early next, so it isn't just Navi for 2020.



Rumors ( take it for what it's worth ), suggest 7nm Vega is capable of 20 teraflop of single precision shader math ( top end Turing is 16 Teraflop ) and leaked benchmarks show that the 7nm Vega running at 1 Ghz even, matches the results of the 14nm version running at 1.75 Ghz so we may be looking at 75% faster once the clocks are matched.....It basically passes the 1080TI with ease, goes past the existing Volta titan V and sits somewhere between the RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 TI, strangely similar to the current situation between the existing 14nm Vega / GTX1080 / GTX1080TI.



Since I've been around ever since Nvidia released it's first card on the market some 23 years ago, they have never done a dual card simultaneous release using distinct GPU's ( both medium and large sized ones ) in their entire lifespan as a business, so the explanation that they're doing both because if they released the RTX2080 alone, many wouldn't buy it as it isn't the TI version doesn't hold water if it's already 30+ % faster than the GTX1080 TI, never mind the TI adding another 30~40% on top of that.



It takes 4 months between the fab process and seeing it in store shelves, so if a gamer version of Vega at 7nm is incoming and packing 16GB of HBM, it's already in the early stages of mass volume production for this market segment, and I do think this is why there's a dual card release for the Turing series.....The need for it will be there soon enough.
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The 2080 is only going to be 8GB, like the 1080? Seriously? That can't be real.

That's an incredibly poor decision if they are truly trying to get 4k gaming more mainstream.


There that new link for multi GPU where the data on each card is no longer an exact copy of the other like with conventional SLI or crossfire, so adding a second cards makes both cards behave like they have 16GB onboard.


it would be 22 GB for a pair of RTX 2080TI's as there's 11 GB on each card.
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The 2080 is only going to be 8GB, like the 1080? Seriously? That can't be real.

That's an incredibly poor decision if they are truly trying to get 4k gaming more mainstream.
4K PC gaming won't be mainstream for a very long time. It's very niche and will most likely remain so for many years. The main reason is the cost of ownership. IMHO 4K is not worth it on less than a 40' screen and I would hazard a guess that there are more PS4 and Xbone X users using their 4K TV's than there are dedicated PC gamers on 4K monitors.

Lets not forget Intel has about 70% of the graphics market with their IGPU's so that should tell you a lot about 4K adoption.
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4K PC gaming won't be mainstream for a very long time. It's very niche and will most likely remain so for many years. The main reason is the cost of ownership. IMHO 4K is not worth it on less than a 40' screen and I would hazard a guess that there are more PS4 and Xbone X users using their 4K TV's than there are dedicated PC gamers on 4K monitors.

Lets not forget Intel has about 70% of the graphics market with their IGPU's so that should tell you a lot about 4K adoption.


"Intel has about 70% of the graphics market " that's not gamers

and with xbox and ps4 doing 4k now even a little

no that is not 4k by 2020 can turn in his card

…….
when full hdmi 2.1 hits next year or 2020 (by hap) most of the will be on 4k tv's
hell they say the ps5 and maybe the xbox two will be 4k/120 Q4 2020 or sooner
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4K PC gaming won't be mainstream for a very long time. It's very niche and will most likely remain so for many years. The main reason is the cost of ownership. IMHO 4K is not worth it on less than a 40' screen and I would hazard a guess that there are more PS4 and Xbone X users using their 4K TV's than there are dedicated PC gamers on 4K monitors.

Lets not forget Intel has about 70% of the graphics market with their IGPU's so that should tell you a lot about 4K adoption.
4k will take over simply because that's what the panel makers are building in quantity. We've already seen "1440p" screens with 4k panels because it's cheaper to build them that way than source native resolution components.
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There is the Vega at 7nm being produced for the Instinct series of cards though, and though to be largely the same as the current 14nm Vega but with some 6000 shaders in it, and Lisa sue was quoted that there will be a gamer version of this either late this year or early next, so it isn't just Navi for 2020.



Rumors ( take it for what it's worth ), suggest 7nm Vega is capable of 20 teraflop of single precision shader math ( top end Turing is 16 Teraflop ) and leaked benchmarks show that the 7nm Vega running at 1 Ghz even, matches the results of the 14nm version running at 1.75 Ghz so we may be looking at 75% faster once the clocks are matched.....It basically passes the 1080TI with ease, goes past the existing Volta titan V and sits somewhere between the RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 TI, strangely similar to the current situation between the existing 14nm Vega / GTX1080 / GTX1080TI.



Since I've been around ever since Nvidia released it's first card on the market some 23 years ago, they have never done a dual card simultaneous release using distinct GPU's ( both medium and large sized ones ) in their entire lifespan as a business, so the explanation that they're doing both because if they released the RTX2080 alone, many wouldn't buy it as it isn't the TI version doesn't hold water if it's already 30+ % faster than the GTX1080 TI, never mind the TI adding another 30~40% on top of that.



It takes 4 months between the fab process and seeing it in store shelves, so if a gamer version of Vega at 7nm is incoming and packing 16GB of HBM, it's already in the early stages of mass volume production for this market segment, and I do think this is why there's a dual card release for the Turing series.....The need for it will be there soon enough.
if they don't drop some news on that in a week or two after tomorrow it's dead .
if it is slower than a 400 buck RTX 2070 why bother
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4K PC gaming won't be mainstream for a very long time. It's very niche and will most likely remain so for many years. The main reason is the cost of ownership. IMHO 4K is not worth it on less than a 40' screen and I would hazard a guess that there are more PS4 and Xbone X users using their 4K TV's than there are dedicated PC gamers on 4K monitors.

Lets not forget Intel has about 70% of the graphics market with their IGPU's so that should tell you a lot about 4K adoption.
Huh? Been doing 4K PC gaming now for about 9 months.
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There is the Vega at 7nm being produced for the Instinct series of cards though, and though to be largely the same as the current 14nm Vega but with some 6000 shaders in it, and Lisa sue was quoted that there will be a gamer version of this either late this year or early next, so it isn't just Navi for 2020.

Where is the link to this direct quote?

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Rumors ( take it for what it's worth ), suggest 7nm Vega is capable of 20 teraflop of single precision shader math ( top end Turing is 16 Teraflop ) and leaked benchmarks show that the 7nm Vega running at 1 Ghz even, matches the results of the 14nm version running at 1.75 Ghz so we may be looking at 75% faster once the clocks are matched.....It basically passes the 1080TI with ease, goes past the existing Volta titan V and sits somewhere between the RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 TI, strangely similar to the current situation between the existing 14nm Vega / GTX1080 / GTX1080TI.
AMD always beats Nvidia graphics, until the cards are released.

You were convinced Vega 64 was faster than a 1080Ti, the RX 480 faster than a 1080, etc..

And now AMD has something easily faster than a Titan V, they just haven't released it yet. Right....
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That's an incredibly poor decision if they are truly trying to get 4k gaming more mainstream.
Then get the Ti...see what I did there? Marketing!
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Where is the link to this direct quote?



AMD always beats Nvidia graphics, until the cards are released.

You were convinced Vega 64 was faster than a 1080Ti, the RX 480 faster than a 1080, etc..

And now AMD has something easily faster than a Titan V, they just haven't released it yet. Right....
she did say it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpIQes5TI-k

about 1:16
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if they don't drop some news on that in a week or two after tomorrow it's dead .
if it is slower than a 400 buck RTX 2070 why bother
https://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-rtx-2070-leak


If it is 75% faster than the current Vega at 14nm and based on your article and it quoting the RTX2080 as 50% faster than the GTX1080 ( roughly on par with the 14nm Vega ), so about 15~20% faster than the GTX1080TI, a 7nm Vega would be breathing down the GTX2080TI's neck, performance wise with said 75% increase.


Remains to be seen what the cost would be given there's 16GB of HBM on 7nm Vega and that isn't cheap by any standard, but seeing it likely being a close fight with the RTX2080TI and the latter priced at 1000$ in all likelihood ( assuming the 75% increase is accurate ).



We'll know in a few weeks at most once official reviews for Turing are released and we have a better idea of what the new standard is, and if 7nm Vega is a valid option on AMD's end to counter them by at least being in the same ballpark performance wise...… My 0.2 cents is that is makes no sense at all to stay with Vega at 14nm until 2020 and Navi is released to replaced it...Who would buy it for the next 12 to 18 months with Nvidia having cards nearly twice as fast?.....Nobody in their right mind and AMD knows it.
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I think the whole Raja thing set them back 2 years
they will have something next year question is will it be worth buying next to a 2080 ti or maybe even by then a 7nm 2180 ti
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I think the whole Raja thing set them back 2 years
they will have something next year question is will it be worth buying next to a 2080 ti or maybe even by then a 7nm 2180 ti


It would be funny if most Nvidia enthusiasts don't buy the current RTX's in either version if they are still 12nm parts, and the 7nm process is bound to further increase performance by having more hardware in them, and reduce power consumption as well and perhaps allow even higher clocks...…



The video you liked showed Lisa sue holding said chip towards the end of the presentation and if you noticed it's using 4 stacks of HBM for either 16 or 32 GB versions, so the amount of memory bandwidth is likely insane, but will that carry over to the gamer version is what we'll have to see.....Makes sense to reduce development costs that it should be one shoe fits all ( similar to thread ripper and Epyc ), rather than just using a custom GPU package and internal connections on the GPU limited to just 2 stacks of HBM.
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No she didn't. Go back and listen what she said. Or better yet, read her words:

https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-is-defin...any-time-soon/

2H 2018 refers to the 7nm Instinct, not gaming.

Even then, these are just 7nm Vegas, not Navi. If you allow yourself to fall into the same hype trap like Shadow hoping these chips will be faster than a Titan V, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment.
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If it is 75% faster than the current Vega at 14nm and based on your article and it quoting the RTX2080 as 50% faster than the GTX1080 ( roughly on par with the 14nm Vega ), so about 15~20% faster than the GTX1080TI, a 7nm Vega would be breathing down the GTX2080TI's neck, performance wise with said 75% increase.
Speak of the devil.

Keep those stratospheric high expectations up, they've worked out historically well for you thus far.
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But hey, let us not forget that while you bemoan about how Hollywood is bending over backwards for that market, you're also asking them to simultaneously consider the 'delicate' sensibilities of those state side who need to see a flag plastered all over the place like some Michael Bay movie barfed into another equally worse Michael Bay movie that then **** into the mouth of the team who designs the Call of Duty campaigns with all of their red, white and blue awesomeness with such an overly large boner for America that one does not need to actually 'fly' to the moon, they simply could tight rope on top if it. And if you're concerned about whether or not that penis is strong enough to be load bearing for such a journey, you forget that what fills all of those engorged crevices is freedom.
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No she didn't. Go back and listen what she said. Or better yet, read her words:

https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-is-defin...any-time-soon/

2H 2018 refers to the 7nm Instinct, not gaming.

Even then, these are just 7nm Vegas, not Navi. If you allow yourself to fall into the same hype trap like Shadow hoping these chips will be faster than a Titan V, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment.
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Speak of the devil.

Keep those stratospheric high expectations up, they've worked out historically well for you thus far.

Just hope i'm wrong, otherwise you'll be eating those words till the end of time, that's all i'm saying to you directly and she clearly said there would be a gaming version if you take the wax out of your ears and that presentation goes back 2+ months ago, hence the reason for why Nvidia is releasing both the regular RTX2080 and the 2080TI version at the same time, not to do you and any other potential card buyer a favor.
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Just hope i'm wrong, otherwise you'll be eating those words till the end of time, that's all i'm saying to you directly and she clearly said there would be a gaming version if you take the wax out of your ears and that presentation goes back 2+ months ago, hence the reason for why Nvidia is releasing both the regular RTX2080 and the 2080TI version at the same time, not to do you and any other potential card buyer a favor.
She clearly said there would be a gaming version to follow, not in 2H 2018.

But let's say the stars did align, and it was released tomorrow same day as Turing.

It's still a 7nm Vega. A 1080Ti is average 50% faster and a Titan V absolutely destroys Vega. These are two top end Nvidia cards about to be obsolete tomorrow with an even more powerful architecture. No amount of "hoping" or pulling stratospheric percentages out your behind will make up for that deficiency.

Switching back to reality, AMD's first gen 7nm chips will just give Vega a better power/heat profile with a slight performance bump. And you're going to wait until 2019 for the gaming version of this chip, for a card that MAYBE might equal a 1080Ti (at best).

Better put all your eggs into Navi because that is the next true high end card coming from AMD, not 7nm Vega. The whole purpose of 7nm Vega is to elliminate the heat and power issues that plagues it.

Unless of course, you enjoy being disappointed as you were with RX480 and Vega.
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same as last time

2080 8gb

2080 ti 11gb

8gb is fine for 4k

I ran 4k for 2 years on 4gb with fury x cfx and only two games ever had a problem with it but ran anyway
I'm 4k gaming NOW and watching the resources, and there are games using up to 9GB.

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Then get the Ti...see what I did there? Marketing!
I already have a 1080Ti with 11GB. My point was I expected it to be higher.
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