How Often Would You Like to See CATALYST Updates?

EMunEeE · Jun 10, 2004, 09:30 AM

Given the recent thread about the state of the CATALYST driver (which I have 0 problems with) and its perceived relation to the frequency of driver updates I thought this would be a very appropriate poll.

How many times would you like to see driver updates from ATI?

I have no problems with once a month, but also would have no problems with every two months either.

Alkali · Jun 10, 2004, 09:39 AM

I also have 0 problems with 1 per month.

PowerK · Jun 10, 2004, 09:42 AM

1 per month.

Hanners · Jun 10, 2004, 09:46 AM

Considering that (according to ATI) they create a driver build weekly regardless of release schedule, and the only factor in how many releases become publically available is how often a driver is set off for WHQL submission, then I don't see lengthening the time between releases will be of any benefit.

EMunEeE · Jun 10, 2004, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hanners
Considering that (according to ATI) they create a driver build weekly regardless of release schedule, and the only factor in how many releases become publically available is how often a driver is set off for WHQL submission, then I don't see lengthening the time between releases will be of any benefit.

That was exactly what I was 'trying' to say in the other thread. Most people thing ATI works on one driver build per 'cycle' which of course is untrue.

showler · Jun 10, 2004, 09:50 AM

Whenever they feel they have a new driver ready for public use. If that's once a month, fine, but if it takes them two months to get one ready, that's fine too.

Alstrong · Jun 10, 2004, 09:58 AM

I wonder what their internet bandwidth/provider might say to this

RyanVM · Jun 10, 2004, 10:17 AM

Once a month works fine with me

::qcx: · Jun 10, 2004, 10:46 AM

I really don't see the need to have more than an official drivers release every 3 months with "real" improvements, solid testing and fixes on issues the drivers seems to cary for a long time. "BUT" with very quick hotfixes for any new game that come out with problems.

ATMArage · Jun 10, 2004, 11:00 AM

Once a month has been perfectly fine with me.

RaDaR · Jun 10, 2004, 11:01 AM

Official drivers don't need to be released monthly.

I would much rather have up-to-date non-WHQL drivers 'leaked' on a weekly basis than wait each month for official drivers which are already several weeks older than those currently in development. It would also be far more beneficial in terms of feedback.

Dave · Jun 10, 2004, 11:03 AM

Other...I dont bloody care just as long as when they release them they are good and run games how the games are supposed to run.

friskyolive · Jun 10, 2004, 01:18 PM

I think most driver fixes are only updates. I think what really needs to be addressed is compatibility with dx7-8-9 cards and I think the drivers need to be re-written entirely, similar to opengl. I chose every 3 months so they can concentrate on fixes and less breaking of other drivers. If something needs to be addressed rapidly, then shoot out a hot fix.. This catalyst suite is malarky.

markuscj · Jun 10, 2004, 01:25 PM

I think once a month is fine. They mostly seem to be bug fixes for games anyway rather than any performance gains.

My method is to install the latest ones if there are any fixes for games I might be playing at the time, if there's not I don't bother ('if it ain't broke, don't fix it' right?!!), that is unless I see anybody on this forum raving about performance gains!

Flakman · Jun 10, 2004, 03:51 PM

I would be happy with every other month if they turn out as good as the 4.6 catalyst's turned out. At least for me anyway, But once a month seems good...

caveman-jim · Jun 10, 2004, 04:47 PM

every other month would be fine by me, I have not ever had an error in a cat release that I have been waiting with baited breath for the next release to fix. I guess Im not on the cutting edge for gaming etc.

Medion · Jun 10, 2004, 05:07 PM

I selected other, which IMO is, as necessary.

There should always be a new driver out to support a new product line, IE, X800 series.

Also, after a driver is released, ATI should then take info on:

-What new issues came from these new drivers
-What previous issues were not corrected with these drivers
-What could possibly be affected in any way by changes we plan to introduce in this next driver set
-A list of optimizatiosn that we think are realistically obtainable

After that, they should work on what they consider to be priorities, and not release a driver set until it's done.

If they put "new issiues" as a number one priority, then by fixing ALL of those issues, plus other issues in the enxt release, they'd end up with a net gain.

duceyaj · Jun 10, 2004, 05:25 PM

i went with other also. i want a driver released every other hour. so we know they are actually working on bugs/fixes instead of pointing and laughing at nvidia all the time.

Hellbinder · Jun 10, 2004, 07:04 PM

I would like to see them "modularize" their dirvers.

With 2D Display, MMC, D3D, OpenGL, Cpanel, being seperate plugins. With dynamic downloading of newer "Core modules" as often as driver builds are completed and tested. Even if its once a week. or Twice a day if necessary.

The Drivers would work like Anti-Virus software updates. You click on "update" it pulls the latest modules down and you restart your computer if necessary.

(course that pretty much hacks the WHQL process right up. But at least game fixes would be really speedy)

MatroxFan · Jun 10, 2004, 07:54 PM

Whenever they feel like it, or in other words, up to their marketing department. I wouldn't mind once every quarter (4 months).

Hellbinder · Jun 10, 2004, 08:09 PM

Actually taking the "modular" further..

You could have every D3D module plugin released over the last several months on Que. If one works better for a game for you than another then you select the one you want from a list of "available" that you have in your driver cache. The same would work for OpenGL.

With mix and matching acording to your games and your needs. Completely on the fly.

EMunEeE · Jun 10, 2004, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hellbinder
Actually taking the "modular" further..

You could have every D3D module plugin released over the last several months on Que. If one works better for a game for you than another then you select the one you want from a list of "available" that you have in your driver cache. The same would work for OpenGL.

With mix and matching acording to your games and your needs. Completely on the fly.

If you think the drivers are bad now, try doing something like that and there will be an outcry of compatibility issues. Thats a complicated route to take anyway to such a simple problem. Just fix the game and be done with it.

Hellbinder · Jun 10, 2004, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrEMan4k
If you think the drivers are bad now, try doing something like that and there will be an outcry of compatibility issues. Thats a complicated route to take anyway to such a simple problem. Just fix the game and be done with it.

No i dont think so.

You are thinking this becuase of the way the driver builds and packaging are structured now. Which would be different under a complete modular/Plugin build.

Think about it. As it is now you can change OpenGL driver like this just by overwrighting the file. The same principle could work perfectly under the proper tree Structure.

Hotrod PC · Jun 10, 2004, 08:33 PM

I choose other, every 1.5Hours.
Who cares, they are great how they are.

bhz9294 · Jun 10, 2004, 08:50 PM

Whenever need be. As long as they don't rush them.

Red Harvest · Jun 11, 2004, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MatroxFan
Whenever they feel like it, or in other words, up to their marketing department. I wouldn't mind once every quarter (4 months).

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

NEVER leave ANY decision like this up to a marketing dept. That's like giving a loaded .357 to a four year old. Technical decisions should never be made by marketing. Colors of brochures, names, approximate launch dates, pricing...those are marketing decisions. Bug fixes are not.

Wunderchu · Jun 12, 2004, 05:09 AM

IMO, that idea you brought up is quite neat , Hellbinder

.........

rbV5 · Jun 12, 2004, 07:37 AM

I like the current distribution.

Alkali · Jun 12, 2004, 07:42 AM

I like everything how it is right now... I dont mind them having issues that run into several driver releases, because lest face it, sometimes other issues have to be prioritised... and also, putting up with a little issue (lets say water not rendered properly in some circumstances for example) should not be such a big deal...

Don't forget we are on the bleeding edge of technology, and so are nVidia and ATi, so we all learn, and I think its our duty to support whichever company we do to further the cause of technological advancement. Us paying $500 for a graphics card enables those companies to build better, faster, more feature rich cards, that in turn, enables us to play more realistic & fun games

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Jun 10, 2004, 09:39 AM	#2
Alkali Zooey Deschanel Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: England Posts: 1,830	I also have 0 problems with 1 per month. __________________ Home Theatre & HiFi Living Room: Sony EX504 LCD, Sony S760B Blu, Yamaha 7.1 Amp, Mission m74/m7c2/m72i/m71i, MJ Acoustics Ref400 PC: Marantz PM6003, Monitor Audio BX1's, Silver Anniversary, QED J2P Asus ATi 6950HD Asus Crosshair IV Formula AMD PhenomII X6 1100T G.Skill 2x2GB 1.6Ghz (F3-12800CL7D-4GBECO) Playing: Rift, EVE-Online Anticipating: Guildwars 2, BF3, BF1943

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Jun 10, 2004, 09:46 AM	#4
Hanners Zetsubou Sensei Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: England Posts: 15,680	Considering that (according to ATI) they create a driver build weekly regardless of release schedule, and the only factor in how many releases become publically available is how often a driver is set off for WHQL submission, then I don't see lengthening the time between releases will be of any benefit. __________________ Owner / Editor-in-Chief - Elite Bastards

Jun 10, 2004, 09:42 AM	#3
PowerK Gamer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Seoul, Korea Posts: 2,131	1 per month.

Jun 10, 2004, 09:50 AM	#6
showler Radeon 9500 Pro Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,577	Whenever they feel they have a new driver ready for public use. If that's once a month, fine, but if it takes them two months to get one ready, that's fine too. __________________ "Please. I have had too much of the stupid today. Please wait until tomorrow to say these things so my tolerance has refreshed." - Umya New Gold Dreams

Jun 10, 2004, 09:58 AM	#7
Alstrong Radeon R600 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 640	I wonder what their internet bandwidth/provider might say to this

Jun 10, 2004, 10:17 AM	#8
RyanVM Radeon R520 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 475	Once a month works fine with me __________________ Athlon64 X2 3800+ @ 2.4GHz (10x240) \| MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum \| 2GB (2x1GB) OCZ Platinum (DDR400, 2-3-2-7-1T) \| XFX Geforce 7800GT (450/1200) \| WD Raptor 74GB (Terminus) \| 4x300GB Maxtor MaxLine III in 558GB RAID10 Array (Trantor) \| Plextor PX-716SA \| JLMS XJ-HD166S \| Antec SLK3700-BQE Case w/ PP412X 400W PSU \| Dell 2001FP 20.1" LCD \| Klipsch Promedia 5.1 Ultras \| Logitech MX1000

Jun 10, 2004, 10:46 AM	#9
::qcx: Rage3D Veteran Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,223	I really don't see the need to have more than an official drivers release every 3 months with "real" improvements, solid testing and fixes on issues the drivers seems to cary for a long time. "BUT" with very quick hotfixes for any new game that come out with problems. __________________ X1950XT Athlon 64 X2 4400, Asrock 939Dual-VSTA, 1GB OCZ PC3200 Catalyst 7.1, XP pro SP2, DX9.0c 3dMark 2k5: 9912 Last edited by ::qcx: : Jun 10, 2004 at 10:48 AM.

Jun 10, 2004, 11:00 AM	#10
ATMArage Revulva Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: I went out shopping to get some noise Posts: 3,620	Once a month has been perfectly fine with me. __________________ \|:phr00t&vedjeez:\| -<: . ->Q . ) . `O "Ergo, buttplug = gay" ~Missus

Jun 10, 2004, 11:01 AM	#11
RaDaR Radeon R700 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: England Posts: 823	Official drivers don't need to be released monthly. I would much rather have up-to-date non-WHQL drivers 'leaked' on a weekly basis than wait each month for official drivers which are already several weeks older than those currently in development. It would also be far more beneficial in terms of feedback.

Jun 10, 2004, 11:03 AM	#12
Dave Radeon Arctic Islands Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 21,762	Other...I dont bloody care just as long as when they release them they are good and run games how the games are supposed to run.

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Jun 10, 2004, 01:18 PM	#13
friskyolive Looking down on you! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario Posts: 7,458	I think most driver fixes are only updates. I think what really needs to be addressed is compatibility with dx7-8-9 cards and I think the drivers need to be re-written entirely, similar to opengl. I chose every 3 months so they can concentrate on fixes and less breaking of other drivers. If something needs to be addressed rapidly, then shoot out a hot fix.. This catalyst suite is malarky. __________________ See how his nose twitches? Something smells about this, and it's not stinking clouds from his furry backside! Quote from Minsc. Overstep your boundaries, and look beyond your scope of vision.

Jun 10, 2004, 01:25 PM	#14
markuscj www.stormerclan.com Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In a Hobbit hole Posts: 597	I think once a month is fine. They mostly seem to be bug fixes for games anyway rather than any performance gains. My method is to install the latest ones if there are any fixes for games I might be playing at the time, if there's not I don't bother ('if it ain't broke, don't fix it' right?!!), that is unless I see anybody on this forum raving about performance gains! __________________ Antec 900 Case Core i7 920 @ 3.2GHz CoolerMaster V8 Gaming CPU Cooling Fan ATI Radeon 6970 2GB 6GB DDR3/1600mhz Triple Channel Memory G.SKILL PI Series Asus P6T Deluxe Intel X58 Chipset SLI/CrossFireX Samsung F1 Spinpoint 750GB HD Corsair PSU 750W TX750W Power Supply SLI Ready Razer Deathadder mouse Saitek Gamers keyboard Samsung 22" Widescreen Windows 7 64 bit

Jun 10, 2004, 03:51 PM	#15
Flakman Radeon R420 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 229	I would be happy with every other month if they turn out as good as the 4.6 catalyst's turned out. At least for me anyway, But once a month seems good...

Jun 10, 2004, 04:47 PM	#16
caveman-jim Deposed King of Rage3D Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 49,000	every other month would be fine by me, I have not ever had an error in a cat release that I have been waiting with baited breath for the next release to fix. I guess Im not on the cutting edge for gaming etc.

Jun 10, 2004, 05:07 PM	#17
Medion Retired Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,381	I selected other, which IMO is, as necessary. There should always be a new driver out to support a new product line, IE, X800 series. Also, after a driver is released, ATI should then take info on: -What new issues came from these new drivers -What previous issues were not corrected with these drivers -What could possibly be affected in any way by changes we plan to introduce in this next driver set -A list of optimizatiosn that we think are realistically obtainable After that, they should work on what they consider to be priorities, and not release a driver set until it's done. If they put "new issiues" as a number one priority, then by fixing ALL of those issues, plus other issues in the enxt release, they'd end up with a net gain.

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Jun 10, 2004, 05:25 PM	#18
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Jun 10, 2004, 07:04 PM	#19
Hellbinder Nothing but the Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Coeur d Alene, Idaho Posts: 5,124	I would like to see them "modularize" their dirvers. With 2D Display, MMC, D3D, OpenGL, Cpanel, being seperate plugins. With dynamic downloading of newer "Core modules" as often as driver builds are completed and tested. Even if its once a week. or Twice a day if necessary. The Drivers would work like Anti-Virus software updates. You click on "update" it pulls the latest modules down and you restart your computer if necessary. (course that pretty much hacks the WHQL process right up. But at least game fixes would be really speedy) __________________ Intel Core i5 2500 @ 3.6ghz His Radeon 6870 @ 945/1140 4GB Ram Last edited by Hellbinder : Jun 10, 2004 at 07:08 PM.

Jun 10, 2004, 08:09 PM	#21
Hellbinder Nothing but the Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Coeur d Alene, Idaho Posts: 5,124	Actually taking the "modular" further.. You could have every D3D module plugin released over the last several months on Que. If one works better for a game for you than another then you select the one you want from a list of "available" that you have in your driver cache. The same would work for OpenGL. With mix and matching acording to your games and your needs. Completely on the fly. __________________ Intel Core i5 2500 @ 3.6ghz His Radeon 6870 @ 945/1140 4GB Ram

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Hotrod PC Radeon R520 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 554	I choose other, every 1.5Hours. Who cares, they are great how they are.

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Jun 12, 2004, 05:09 AM	#27
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Jun 12, 2004, 07:42 AM	#29
Alkali Zooey Deschanel Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: England Posts: 1,830	I like everything how it is right now... I dont mind them having issues that run into several driver releases, because lest face it, sometimes other issues have to be prioritised... and also, putting up with a little issue (lets say water not rendered properly in some circumstances for example) should not be such a big deal... Don't forget we are on the bleeding edge of technology, and so are nVidia and ATi, so we all learn, and I think its our duty to support whichever company we do to further the cause of technological advancement. Us paying $500 for a graphics card enables those companies to build better, faster, more feature rich cards, that in turn, enables us to play more realistic & fun games __________________ Home Theatre & HiFi Living Room: Sony EX504 LCD, Sony S760B Blu, Yamaha 7.1 Amp, Mission m74/m7c2/m72i/m71i, MJ Acoustics Ref400 PC: Marantz PM6003, Monitor Audio BX1's, Silver Anniversary, QED J2P Asus ATi 6950HD Asus Crosshair IV Formula AMD PhenomII X6 1100T G.Skill 2x2GB 1.6Ghz (F3-12800CL7D-4GBECO) Playing: Rift, EVE-Online Anticipating: Guildwars 2, BF3, BF1943

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