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Old Mar 24, 2004, 08:18 AM   #1
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Talking I am *SO* looking forward to Zelda: 4 swords

http://www.gamespy.com/screenshots/gcn/4swords/march04/

http://www.gamespot.com/gamecube/act...w_6091939.html

http://cube.ign.com/articles/500/500195p1.html

Everywhere I've read so far suggest that this game is
totally awesome and utilizes the GBA/GC link properly.
It's supposed to be really good in 1 player too, but damned
fantastic in multiplayer.

Best part: it's 2D!! YAY!! You can see that some of the 2D
is even side-view. The graphics are aparenly polished and
have some very nice effects even for 2D.

Anyhow, enjoy!
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Old Mar 24, 2004, 05:01 PM   #2
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Hell yea, after reading the import impressions at GA, im so hyped up for this

http://ga.gamesquad.net/showthread.p...ighlight=zelda

Most of the in-depth impressions are in teh 4+ pages. Full fledged single player Zelda (20+ hours) with one of the best multiplayer mode ever, with kickass 2d graphics and zelda song remixes! GIMME !
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Yep. Yep. Yeppers...

4 Swords is going to be freaking awesome. I've been hyping this game up on here for ages and everybody seems to just blow it off which is real disappointing. Oldschool Zelda lovin' from the company that MADE Zelda? Definitely count me in. Sounds awesome.

Really favorable impressions, too.
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I dont get it... do you need a gc and gba to play it?
if so then WHY?! that game could be done on a gba...
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I dont get it... do you need a gc and gba to play it?
if so then WHY?! that game could be done on a gba...
No, you don't need a GBA to play it. Just in multiplayer. The singleplayer is 20 hours of rock hard abs Zelda style kickassness.

No, the game couldn't be done with comparable graphics on GBA, thanks.
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I hear Navi's Trackers has been dropped from the NA version. What sort of game mode is/was it and should I give a damn that it's been removed? It isn't the single player portion, is it?
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I hear Navi's Trackers has been dropped from the NA version. What sort of game mode is/was it and should I give a damn that it's been removed? It isn't the single player portion, is it?
Navi Trackers was a "follow the clues" "hide and seek" type minigame. Had a lot of Japanese speech and a voice translator that said your name if you entered it in. nintendo probably didn't want to include it in the US version since it's just a minigame, but one that would probably be a real pain to translate.

They talk about it a bit in all the abovementioned previews.

The meat and potatoes is the regular 4 swords cooperative and/or singleplayer mode.
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Navi Trackers was a "follow the clues" "hide and seek" type minigame. Had a lot of Japanese speech and a voice translator that said your name if you entered it in. nintendo probably didn't want to include it in the US version since it's just a minigame, but one that would probably be a real pain to translate.

They talk about it a bit in all the abovementioned previews.

The meat and potatoes is the regular 4 swords cooperative and/or singleplayer mode.
Ah, I see. Thanks for the head's up. Glad it wasn't anything crucial.
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No, the game couldn't be done with comparable graphics on GBA, thanks.
ehh yes it could..

GCN: Four swords






GBA: a link to the past






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ehh yes it could..

GCN: Four swords






GBA: a link to the past






Screenshots suck buddy. Have you checked the game in
motion? Download some movies. The effects are totally not
possible on the GBA. They used some of the Wind Waker
effects and such in it even. I grabbed some pretty impressive
movies of this game. Heck, some of the comments by
the websites mention how the GC really cleaned up the
graphics to look nice.

Have you even *LOOKED* at the movies?:

http://media.cube.ign.com/media/566/566919/vids_1.html#
(especially click on the battle mode: fire and shadow one)

There is a lot of zooming in and out, smoke effects, and the
textures look really good. Heck, notice that the level size
is quite large too. The links don't have to be close to each
other, the screen scales out when they go their separate
ways, and then scales in when they get closer.

Here is a video where they jump from the GC screen to the
GBA screen... and *MAN* is it ever noticeable.

http://media.cube.ign.com/media/566/566919/vids_5.html#

Even in the screenshots you provided, the textures and
colouring on the GC are far superior, especially that first
screenshot. Heck, it even has some cool effects in it.

The environments alone are much larger on the GC screen,
not to mention text and such that would be too big for the
PUNY screen of the GBA. Look at the following screenshot:

http://media.cube.ign.com/media/566/...g_1953264.html

Compare that to the GBA Link to the Past screenshots you
provided. Notice how small link is compared to the rest of
the world on the GC version?!? Better yet, notice how big the
world itself is... and it even has nice effects going on. There
are other shots that they zoomed out even further.

What kinda ticks me off is how folks forget how powerful the
current consoles are in 2D. They can push tons of effects
and such in 2D that would make any previous platform
crawl. Recall how the Super Nintendo would slow down a lot
when there was a lot of action onscreen (how many times
were we limited to 4 characters onscreen?).

Just because a game isn't 3D doesn't mean it's easily
portable, and certainly doesn't mean it's crap. The
popularity of the GBA is proof that 2D gaming still has value.

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Old Mar 25, 2004, 12:33 PM   #11
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Just because a game isn't 3D doesn't mean it's easily
portable, and certainly doesn't mean it's crap. The
popularity of the GBA is proof that 2D gaming still has value.

Nf.
did I say somewhere it was a bad game???!!
If you now MUST use gba to play mutliplayer they could just do the damn game for the gba, with little less effects..
They only thing they are after there is to make more money. WHY not do so that you dont need an gba?? it could also be easily done! its almost not used for anything in the game...
I know how important gba is in FF:CC but it is almost not at all important in four seasons.

I like good 2d games on todays consoles and I would certainly love more of them, hell I am gona get Metal Slug 3 for the xbox.

Put it pisses me off when they do something like this to make extra money and a gba costs MORE than an gc. I have an easier time to find 10 friends with gc than 2 friends with gba
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I wouldn't pay $50 for this.

Have fun if you do, though.

It looks like a flash game. [Flamesuit: ON]
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did I say somewhere it was a bad game???!!
If you now MUST use gba to play mutliplayer they could just do the damn game for the gba, with little less effects..
They only thing they are after there is to make more money. WHY not do so that you dont need an gba?? it could also be easily done! its almost not used for anything in the game...
I know how important gba is in FF:CC but it is almost not at all important in four seasons.
You have a good point that I forgot to mention: They could
have made the game without the GBA requirement... at least
to some degree.

Thing is, I'd rather have this on the GC since, as I mentioned,
the on-screen environment can be rather huge and allow much
better gameplay than trying to fit everything on a puny GBA
screen. Not to mention the sound and effects are pretty
stellar. Heck, if it were a GBA game, each person would
have to buy 1 copy of the game which sucks.

My argument is that this is a better game on the GC for
multiple reasons than on the GBA anyday. Metroid Zero
Mission and fusion, as good as they were on the GBA, still
limited the gameplay as the on-screen environment was
small which did affect gameplay. The same would go for
this game. You can't fit 4 players and enough enemies to
keep each player busy on 1 GBA screen. You couldn't really
get into an intense battle with multiple monsters and such
all at the same time.

This game could kinda be done on the GBA, I guess. But it
wouldn't be as fun due to severe limitations.

(oh yeah, the 3D/2D comment wasn't directed at you, by the
way... I was just on a rant)

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Looks fun but I still hate how they are forcing that GBA crap like they did with FF:CC. This severely limits who I can play it with. Oh well.
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Looks fun but I still hate how they are forcing that GBA crap like they did with FF:CC. This severely limits who I can play it with. Oh well.
yeah but I would understand if the gba costed 40-50$, then all my friend would have one but the damn things costs 130$ here in sweden
and a gc costs 90$, so what do you think my friends get?
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So does this have a single-player story or is this game only worth if you wanna play with others like FF: CC?
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So does this have a single-player story or is this game only worth if you wanna play with others like FF: CC?
I suggest you read the full preview. Anyhow, there is a
full single player game.

BTW, FF:CC is a great single player game too. It's not
the same as multiplayer, but it's good in its own right. In
fact, sometimes better as you can fuse spells to each other
or to a weapon. Heck, multiplayer can be pretty annoying
on it.

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BTW, FF:CC is a great single player game too. It's not
the same as multiplayer, but it's good in its own right. In
fact, sometimes better as you can fuse spells to each other
or to a weapon. Heck, multiplayer can be pretty annoying
on it.
yeah it can be (especially if your friends can't get their timing down and never end up fusing any, and I mean ANY, spells together!)
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yeah it can be (especially if your friends can't get their timing down and never end up fusing any, and I mean ANY, spells together!)
Just try playing with a pair of GREEDY 11-year olds and
you'll understand frustration.

Imagine this scenario:

(during a heated battle where 4 monsters are casting spells
on the caravan like nuts):

"Okay, Hold the chalice and follow me to the water up there
so that I can throw it on the enemies and get them all with
a blizard spell" (recall you need to be in the protected force-
field as the world is covered in miasma... else you die).

... NF runs up expecting kid to follow him...

... Kid sees money lying in the opposite direction and runs to
get it leaving NF all alone with 4 monsters and exposed to
the poisonous miasma... (recall the kid is holding the protective
chalice).

... NF ends up dyng a brutal death ...

(eventually NF turns off the GC and smacks the kid on the
side of the head yelling the words "TEAMWORK YOU IDIOT!")


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Originally posted by Night Fisher
Just try playing with a pair of GREEDY 11-year olds and
you'll understand frustration.

Imagine this scenario:

(during a heated battle where 4 monsters are casting spells
on the caravan like nuts):

"Okay, Hold the chalice and follow me to the water up there
so that I can throw it on the enemies and get them all with
a blizard spell" (recall you need to be in the protected force-
field as the world is covered in miasma... else you die).

... NF runs up expecting kid to follow him...

... Kid sees money lying in the opposite direction and runs to
get it leaving NF all alone with 4 monsters and exposed to
the poisonous miasma... (recall the kid is holding the protective
chalice).

... NF ends up dyng a brutal death ...

(eventually NF turns off the GC and smacks the kid on the
side of the head yelling the words "TEAMWORK YOU IDIOT!")


Nf.


And yeah Im looking forward to some new (FINALLY!) Zelda 2D action
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did I say somewhere it was a bad game???!!
If you now MUST use gba to play mutliplayer they could just do the damn game for the gba, with little less effects..
They only thing they are after there is to make more money. WHY not do so that you dont need an gba?? it could also be easily done! its almost not used for anything in the game...
I know how important gba is in FF:CC but it is almost not at all important in four seasons.

I like good 2d games on todays consoles and I would certainly love more of them, hell I am gona get Metal Slug 3 for the xbox.
You need to read the previews, you're pretty much owning yourself here.

Buying a straight port of a MVS arcade game that'd run fine on GBA instead of a brand new 20 hours singleplayer game that wouldn't?

Honestly, I'm planning on getting Metal Slug Advance, but Metal Slug 3 isn't even on my radar because SNK is being really cheap making it a standalone release when they could easily make a collection at the very least. The game is an hour and a half long, and sure, it's got scads of replay value... but it's a freaking port of something the Xbox could run 10 times over even sloppily coded- and one guy could probably port by himself in less than 6 months.

Four Swords is a BRAND NEW FROM THE GROUND UP FOR GC 2 1/2D game. How many games like that does the Xbox even have? Zero. That's right, none.

Read the previews. You need a GBA otherwise what they're doing wouldn't work. Not a single person who's previewed it has said otherwise, in fact, most of them are like "finally, a full, kickass game that really puts connectivity to good use".
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Just try playing with a pair of GREEDY 11-year olds and
you'll understand frustration.

Imagine this scenario:

(during a heated battle where 4 monsters are casting spells
on the caravan like nuts):

"Okay, Hold the chalice and follow me to the water up there
so that I can throw it on the enemies and get them all with
a blizard spell" (recall you need to be in the protected force-
field as the world is covered in miasma... else you die).

... NF runs up expecting kid to follow him...

... Kid sees money lying in the opposite direction and runs to
get it leaving NF all alone with 4 monsters and exposed to
the poisonous miasma... (recall the kid is holding the protective
chalice).

... NF ends up dyng a brutal death ...

(eventually NF turns off the GC and smacks the kid on the
side of the head yelling the words "TEAMWORK YOU IDIOT!")


Nf.
Yeah, 4 swords is going to be great because the coop mode actually encourages being a jerk... the difference is, now you can be like "BATTLE MODE, NOW WEENIE!" and beat the poor kid to a bloody pulp.

Glad I've had lder folks to play with
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Old Mar 26, 2004, 08:43 AM   #23
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And yeah Im looking forward to some new (FINALLY!) Zelda 2D action
Hell yeah
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Old Mar 26, 2004, 09:02 AM   #24
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but it's a freaking port of something the Xbox could run 10 times over even sloppily coded- and one guy could probably port by himself in less than 6 months.
that could be also said about zelda four swords on gc
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OUH MY GOD THIS GAME WILL ABSOLUTELY SUCK...2D IN 2004 OUH MY LORD!!!!!11111111
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OUH MY GOD THIS GAME WILL ABSOLUTELY SUCK...2D IN 2004 OUH MY LORD!!!!!11111111
I hope you are being sarcastic. If not I pity you for not appreciating games such as Metal Slug, Samurai Showdown series, Fatal Fury Mark of the Wolves, Street Fighter 3, etc. 2d games will always have that special something 3d games don't. Besides, look back at some highly rated playstation games, then take a look at some classic super nintindo games. I'll take detailed 2d over pixilated 20 fps ass.
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Nintendo should realy srop recycling its titles im starting to hate it!!!!
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Nintendo should realy srop recycling its titles im starting to hate it!!!!
Who cares! They all end up being great anyway! Wind Waker, Metroid Prime, Mario Kart, F-Zero GX,...
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yeap, its the same with every other game.
When Half Life 20 comes out people will still think its great beacuse the game play and what it offers
same with Halo 10, etc...
if something works why stop doing it
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