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Old Jan 12, 2003, 02:35 AM   #1
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Such a grand design, lets hope they don't kill themselves in the process

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Well it's not so much an article about the PS3 as it is about Cell...

Anyways, everytime i read about Cell i can't help but get blown away by the theory presented, both in computational power and functionality. And if the PS3 does indeed end up using the chip, it's scarry to think that this will just be it's CPU, who knows what Sony has in store for the GPU (i don't agree with Gamespots theory that it will replace the need for a seperate GPU)...
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This is very interesting considering all consoles to date althoug they can do very good games because of unified hardware for developers, the actual hardware is some two years behind PC's from this information about the cell its as if the PS3 is going to be up their with the top notch PC's which i don't think it will be, maybe to the degree of todays PC's but not tomorrows! and to be 100 times more powerful than a P4! P4's are not even 100 times more powerful than PII's! Thats how big a leap the cell would have to achieve. Awesome games and being able to do anything imaginable if this is actually true, imagine GTA where you could go into each individual building which has about 8 rooms in each and each of the walls can be blown up and each individual object ranging from chairs to pencils can be picked up and used, thats just how powerful a chip like that could be used to do things
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Be careful. There is always a sticking point when it comes to consoles. Remember there's an aspect of playstation 2 that has some insane 2056 bit bus right, yet that translated to nothing in the real world because the rest of the system didn't match that super specced portion.

The N64 GPU did some amazing things, but the texture cache was incredibly small. The ps1 could pump an amazing amount of polygons, but you couldn't ask the chip to apply all the effects that an N64 could pull off to any of those polys. A pentium 4 has some very nice clock speeds but, it has what, a 20 stage pipeline. Wouldn't want a miss to happen in that.

Just warning you to be careful and to just wait this one out a little before we get clouded in the marketting. I'm sure it will be an awesome chip, but there's a sticking point there. It's just the rule when creating consoles.
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This is very interesting considering all consoles to date althoug they can do very good games because of unified hardware for developers, the actual hardware is some two years behind PC's from this information about the cell its as if the PS3 is going to be up their with the top notch PC's which i don't think it will be, maybe to the degree of todays PC's but not tomorrows! and to be 100 times more powerful than a P4! P4's are not even 100 times more powerful than PII's! Thats how big a leap the cell would have to achieve. Awesome games and being able to do anything imaginable if this is actually true, imagine GTA where you could go into each individual building which has about 8 rooms in each and each of the walls can be blown up and each individual object ranging from chairs to pencils can be picked up and used, thats just how powerful a chip like that could be used to do things
Yeah, but what developer is going to put that much detail into a game? Think of the sheer brute force required to create a world of that much depth...
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why should i wish? Nintendo make the best games available and thats why i own a cube, only them could marvel something of that degree!
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why should i wish? Nintendo make the best games available and thats why i own a cube, only them could marvel something of that degree!
It's funny, you gave a perfect example of a GTA game with these insane amounts of deatil and then you say only Nintendo could do it

Anyways, with technology that's this (theoretically) powerful, i'm sure any company willing to put enough effort can some up with some amazing stuff.
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Appart from Take 2 ofcourse, all their games end up top notch, even body harvest, i loved that one and was the spawn of GTA 3D.
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Lets not forget who we're talking about here. Sony hyped the PS2 so bad that the US was trying to label it a super-computer so that it couldn't be sold in China. For God's sake, that thing was being touted as the end all to PCs. Just shove Linux on it and you'll have a computer that'll last you years.

I don't care how many Teraflops that thing can pull off. The next Nintendo and MS systems will once again trounce that sucker graphically.
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Lets not forget who we're talking about here. Sony hyped the PS2 so bad that the US was trying to label it a super-computer so that it couldn't be sold in China. For God's sake, that thing was being touted as the end all to PCs. Just shove Linux on it and you'll have a computer that'll last you years.

I don't care how many Teraflops that thing can pull off. The next Nintendo and MS systems will once again trounce that sucker graphically.
I actually think that this coming generation is going the be the greatest we've ever seen, and it has little to do with graphical capabilities but everything do do with hardware. Confused? Think about it...

If, as DavyBoy suggests, that the rumoured-to-be Cell powered PS3 turns out to be "weaker" than M$ and Nintendo's next offering, what would the big deal be? Absolutly nothing. The kind of computing power we're talking about here - reffering to the PS3 - goes way beyond anything available today, i highly doubt in 4 years we'll be complaining about trivial things muddy textures, draw distance or lighting. I believe that the next generation is going to be so evenly matched and/or indistinguishable from one another that the focus will once again go to where it always should be: the games. And that's why i really hope M$, Sony and Nintendo all do their best to offer the absolute best hardware because as soon as graphical capabilities reach a certain level they'll effectively cancel eachother out and bring focus towards quality games while still giving everyone a nice graphical shot in the arm.

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I don't care how many Teraflops that thing can pull off. The next Nintendo and MS systems will once again trounce that sucker graphically.

I don't see nintendo being in the next console race.
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It would be amazing if Sony, Toshiba, and IBM could actually pull that off for $400 million, considering that Intel spends 3x that each year on R&D and has never come up with a 100 fold increase over a short time period. In theory everything can be made to sound impressive. What I want to see is real performance and cost, and for some reason I think that those are a long way off.

It would really suck for Sony if they are banking on this new chip and it hits a snag along the way. What will they do if it is delayed into 2006 (as chips normally are) - they will then be 1 year behind and in the position that both MS and Nintendo occupy right now. Also the costs attributed to new technologies may simply make the PS3 too expensive to produce.
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Is this thing gonna cost 5000 dollars cuz P4s are around 400 right now?
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In a year that P4 is going to cost $100 or less.
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I think INTEL dropped its prices competively to AMD this year. Before, AMD 1000mhz = $200, INTEL 1000mhz = $400
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I actually think that this coming generation is going the be the greatest we've ever seen, and it has little to do with graphical capabilities but everything do do with hardware. Confused? Think about it...
Why don't you think about it. You've already been sucked in to Sony's PS3 propaganda, even with the littlest of information available. Hell, an engineer with 40 years experience probably wouldn't make the same claims you're making, because they can't be made at this point.

All I'm saying is that Sony will tell you everything you want to hear, so you'll buy the console. When PS2 came out it had nothing, but everyone bought it. ONLY then did good games start coming out for, only when developers knew they had a mass audience to sell to.

In these console wars PS2 is the shittiest system hands down, but it's getting all the best game because everyone has one. So would you rather that everyone have a shitty ass system that developers have no choice but to develop for, or would you rather that a system that comes after it, which WILL be better, have mass audience appeal and better looking games.
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Why don't you think about it. You've already been sucked in to Sony's PS3 propaganda, even with the littlest of information available.
Ummm, no, if anything i'm sucked into the prospects that Cell and distributed computing could bring to the table. Nothing's been confirmed, nothing's been set in stone, nothing even announced. We're all playing with theory, RELAX

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All I'm saying is that Sony will tell you everything you want to hear, so you'll buy the console.


I buy consoles based on the games it has, nothing more.

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When PS2 came out it had nothing, but everyone bought it. ONLY then did good games start coming out for, only when developers knew they had a mass audience to sell to.


I never bought a PS2 at launch either

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In these console wars PS2 is the shittiest system hands down
In terms of games... boy, you're WAY off. In terms of hardware... slightly inferior compared to the others, but not as far behind as most uninformed think. It holds well enough on it's own.

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So would you rather that everyone have a shitty ass system that developers have no choice but to develop for, or would you rather that a system that comes after it, which WILL be better, have mass audience appeal and better looking games.
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It would be amazing if Sony, Toshiba, and IBM could actually pull that off for $400 million, considering that Intel spends 3x that each year on R&D and has never come up with a 100 fold increase over a short time period. In theory everything can be made to sound impressive. What I want to see is real performance and cost, and for some reason I think that those are a long way off.

It would really suck for Sony if they are banking on this new chip and it hits a snag along the way. What will they do if it is delayed into 2006 (as chips normally are) - they will then be 1 year behind and in the position that both MS and Nintendo occupy right now. Also the costs attributed to new technologies may simply make the PS3 too expensive to produce.
I used to work at IBM and let me tell you something, the concept of CELL isn't new, IBM mainframe and AS400 systems have been useing a form of Cell for the past few years utilizing a group of processors and a processor BUS that utilizez them as one processor, if they link diffrent systems together they can pull power and CPU cycles from other systems when needed. What Cell is and what sony and toshiba are doing is takeing that bus and multiple processor formula and reduce it down to one chip. so depending on how many cores or "cells" are used to produce the chip will depend on the speed. My thing would be the heat that the chip will produce and how it will cool it off.
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Maybe the PS2 is a shitty ass system but the average buyer looks at style, controller and games where xbox fails in both appart from free games(the only thing selling it) and gamecube succeeds well in all catergories with it having the best controller (ala wavebird) and great looks.
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- corsair spec alpha carbide series case - corsair K70 Rapidfire RGB MX keyboard - Logitech G502 - Sennheiser G4ME One Headset


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