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Old Feb 11, 2019, 05:16 PM   #3061
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Old Feb 11, 2019, 07:53 PM   #3062
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Make your mind up Sir Pauly you earlier mentioned it was NV's misinterpretation of the crypto market and now it's price which is exactly what I have suggested?
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Misreading the mining market was the major component for the share drop, while the less than expected adoption of rtx was more-so a minor component and tempory. The key was and is; old inventories of gpu's and ram; replacing the lost revenue created from mining. This is not tempory but a long term fix and the major component or reason for the share drop.
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Disgusting that people are excited about a $999 card in stock.
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Old Feb 11, 2019, 09:31 PM   #3064
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Disgusting that people are excited about a $999 card in stock.
when other 2080ti’s are $200 to $400 more, it’s a good price in today’s market sadly. I’m sure you overpaid for your 2070 as well.
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Disgusting that people are excited about a $999 card in stock.
If it was in stock on Ebay at the same time there was a 10-15% off coupon, capped at not less than $100 then I'd buy it.
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Old Feb 11, 2019, 09:51 PM   #3066
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Sadly, I fear, Nvidia is starting to normalize these higher prices. There seems to be some market resistance but when you look at the steam data looks to be very small. The resistance may be solved with value considerations like minor price adjustments, bundles, rebates and over-all rtx content and new gaming titles to drive sales.
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.The resistance may be solved with value considerations like minor price adjustments, bundles, rebates and over-all rtx content and new gaming titles to drive sales.
NV needs to help devs add RTX and DLSS to games ASAP. WTF happed to the Tomb Raider RTX patch? NV should have coded that themselves and released it.
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Almost all 2070s to 2080 Tis here in Aus have had a price cut.
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If it was in stock on Ebay at the same time there was a 10-15% off coupon, capped at not less than $100 then I'd buy it.
Yea, I probably would as well, $899 without tax would about make it worth it after selling my 1080ti
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NV needs to help devs add RTX and DLSS to games ASAP. WTF happed to the Tomb Raider RTX patch? NV should have coded that themselves and released it.
Takes time and Nvidia works with developers but doesn't control them, imho. I'm not going to buy Turing 'till there is stronger dollar value, maturity and rtx content.
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NV needs to help devs add RTX and DLSS to games ASAP. WTF happed to the Tomb Raider RTX patch? NV should have coded that themselves and released it.
https://www.dsogaming.com/news/shado...acing-effects/

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https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

more RTX cards (2070/80 & ti ) than Vega's
Steam survey is not even close to accurate, as many people don't opt in as well as it being random.
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miners don't count

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The EVGA black was actually in stock for quite a while this time. There were still a few available five hours after it was posted in this thread. All gone now of course.
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Anyone know what the common results are of overclocking 2080Ti's with the twin fan reference cooler that isn't an FE?
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Oh, there will be a slow price adjustment at some point. You don't lose half your stock price because of a greedy money grab and don't course correct.

What happened to Nvidia's stock value because of this stunt, is a huge lesson for the industry. Right up there with Apple and their 1K iPhone.
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Anyone know what the common results are of overclocking 2080Ti's with the twin fan reference cooler that isn't an FE?
Just a heads up, the chips are binned. The FE's and the cards with the higher price point are binned chips with higher default clocks than the ones at the MSRP. IIRC, they are even stamped with a different PN.
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Just a heads up, the chips are binned. The FE's and the cards with the higher price point are binned chips with higher default clocks than the ones at the MSRP. IIRC, they are even stamped with a different PN.
Right, understood. That's why I specifically asked about a non-FE card. Just curious on a cheap, basic 1080Ti for $1000 on how it might overclock.
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when other 2080ti’s are $200 to $400 more, it’s a good price in today’s market sadly. I’m sure you overpaid for your 2070 as well.
Not quite, got it for free from EVGA
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Not quite, got it for free from EVGA
Well for most they are $500 is to much for that card as well. Should be closer to $350.
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Anyone know what the common results are of overclocking 2080Ti's with the twin fan reference cooler that isn't an FE?
I have a Zotac 2080 TI with a 3 fan cooler. I hit 2040 mhz (+50 core) and temps don't reach 70*C. I have headroom to push it further but see no real need.
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I have a Zotac 2080 TI with a 3 fan cooler. I hit 2040 mhz (+50 core) and temps don't reach 70*C. I have headroom to push it further but see no real need.
Aren't all the reference designs twin fan? Cheapest Zotac I see with 3 fans is $1200-$1300.

Looking for reference design results guys, unless you can buy a better equipped card for $1000. Thanks though.

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Right, understood. That's why I specifically asked about a non-FE card. Just curious on a cheap, basic 1080Ti for $1000 on how it might overclock.
From reading some posts on the EVGA forum it seems like the card overclocks decently (still silicon lottery). It's probably not worth the extra $200 for another card that might get an at most ~5% higher core clock.

The power limit on these chips is 112% though. I am not certain whether other 2080 Tis have a higher limit. Either way, it doesn't really change the calculation much. There isn't that much extra overclocking headroom built into Pascal or Turing to warrant paying $200 more. You'd be better off just buying the EVGA Black and adding a Kraken G12 + AIO to it (you'll get higher clocks due to lower temps).

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Oh, there will be a slow price adjustment at some point. You don't lose half your stock price because of a greedy money grab and don't course correct.

What happened to Nvidia's stock value because of this stunt, is a huge lesson for the industry. Right up there with Apple and their 1K iPhone.
I'm thinking that by the time the 2080 Ti is cheap enough for me to consider it will be too late in the cycle to bother with it. That is unless the other manufacturers seriously get busy getting their cards down to the $1000 price point. To be honest, even $1000 is more than I'm willing to pay.
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I'm thinking that by the time the 2080 Ti is cheap enough for me to consider it will be too late in the cycle to bother with it. That is unless the other manufacturers seriously get busy getting their cards down to the $1000 price point. To be honest, even $1000 is more than I'm willing to pay.
I'm starting to think the 30 percent jump from my 1080ti isn't worth it at this point and also would probably be better off waiting for a 3080ti and another 30 percent on top of that.
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I'm starting to think the 30 percent jump from my 1080ti isn't worth it at this point and also would probably be better off waiting for a 3080ti and another 30 percent on top of that.
Definitely the best option at this point, I think. If I could get a lot of dough for my Strix 1080Ti, I MIGHT do it. But I'm tied up with PS4 games at the moment anyway. Just getting impatient.
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Evga Black is now 1069 on the egg. So tempting.
Need to see that Metro and BFV performance.

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With no competition, around 1,000 dollars becomes much more tempting and another example of the market being normalized by Nvidia's premium pricing strategy.
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I have to admit, with the lack of competition prices are looking better over time..

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NV are in the chicken and egg syndrome. They are having to pay Dev's for ray tracing and DLSS support because Turing footprint is way too small because of the high price they're charging. With their share price tanking investors are not happy which is bound to limit their budget to spend on Dev's unless they reduce the price. Time for Jensen to bite the bullet and admit his pricing strategy for Turing was all wrong. The TI needs to come down to $800 and the 2080 to $550 and they'll sell well but I won't be holding my breath.


It's always that way - innovation is a gamble and costs money. Say what you like about Nvidia, but they are and have been the clear innovators in the industry for a very long time now. Doesn't mean it always pays off, but kudos to them for the effort. It's why I switched camps years ago - Nv really are for PC gamers (and as a side effect - their wallets).
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