Porn Played During Zoom Class At Florida High School

[andino]

Originally Posted by acroig

Unless it was hacked in they must know who it was..

Zoom hackers are unfortunately pretty prevalent. Most just zoom into the meetings and sit with their cameras off while watching the kids. We had that happen in our school district a few times this last year. Our district moved away from Zoom very early on because of the security flaws and moved to more secure teacher ran video chat program.

Also, tracking down zoom calls aren't as easy as you'd think. Most people are behind VPNs.

[acroig]

Originally Posted by andino

Zoom hackers are unfortunately pretty prevalent. Most just zoom into the meetings and sit with their cameras off while watching the kids. We had that happen in our school district a few times this last year. Our district moved away from Zoom very early on because of the security flaws and moved to more secure teacher ran video chat program.

Also, tracking down zoom calls aren't as easy as you'd think. Most people are behind VPNs.

Yeah, a very likely possibility I'd say.

Sounds like one of the kids pranking everyone.

[Hapatingjaky]

High School at Grade 9????

Its Grade 10 at the age 16, so yeah. 16 year old traumautized by porn.... That's a long one. No pun intended.

[acroig]

Originally Posted by Hapatingjaky

High School at Grade 9????

Its Grade 10 at the age 16, so yeah. 16 year old traumautized by porn.... That's a long one. No pun intended.

HS here starts in 9th grade Hapa.

[andino]

Originally Posted by Hapatingjaky

High School at Grade 9????

Its Grade 10 at the age 16, so yeah. 16 year old traumautized by porn.... That's a long one. No pun intended.

High school in the US starts at 9th grade. And like I said, 21% of ninth graders are 13. My birthday was right at the cut off for school registration so for the first month of 9th I was 13.

They didn't give the girls age. They usually don't for kids that are victims of sexual abuse. And for good reason... But you can assume that the average age of a high school kid is anywhere from 13 to 18. That is unless they failed a grade but that statistic is pretty low for teenage girls.

[xCLAVEx]

Originally Posted by Hapatingjaky

High School at Grade 9????

Its Grade 10 at the age 16, so yeah. 16 year old traumautized by porn.... That's a long one. No pun intended.

It is grade 9 here for highschool, but in my highschool there were no students below the age 15 (some were turning 15 that year, others were already 15, so 14 for a couple months then birthdays hit etc, which is the norm), so yeah not much difference in age.

[andino]

Originally Posted by xCLAVEx

It is grade 9 here for highschool, but in my highschool there were no students below the age 15 (some were turning 15 that year, others were already 15, so 14 for a couple months then birthdays hit etc, which is the norm), so yeah not much difference in age.

15+4 = 19. So your high schools average graduation age was higher than the average draft age of 18?

Wow....

[xCLAVEx]

Originally Posted by andino

15+4 = 19. So your high schools average graduation age was higher than the average draft age of 18?

Wow....

And? There at least two that I knew of that were 15 coming in. Their age wasn't a problem and they were good guys. One was held back due to a medical issue causing him to miss a year and I don't know what the other ones story was. There were no 13 year olds in any of the classrooms.

[andino]

Originally Posted by xCLAVEx

And? There at least two that I knew of that were 15 coming in. Their age wasn't a problem and they were good guys. One was held back due to a medical issue causing him to miss a year and I don't know why the other one was 15.

It is grade 9 here for highschool, but in my highschool there were no students below the age 15 (some were turning 15 that year, others were already 15, so 14 for a couple months then birthdays hit etc, which is the norm), so yeah not much difference in age.

So the 2 guys that you knew that failed a grade are what you are basing your opinion on as the average school age for ALL high school students...

Gotcha...

So for the record, the average age of a 9th grader is actually 13 to 14 years old. Not withstanding those two kids that xCLAVEx knew that failed a year and somehow made it so everyone in his school was somehow a year older.

Like that makes any difference here. I mean, at xCLAVEx's school people were not minors their junior year. So, I guess at his school it wasn't a felony to show porn to the upper classmen. It was just immoral.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[xCLAVEx]

Originally Posted by andino

So the 2 guys that you knew that failed a grade are what you are basing your opinion on as the average school age for ALL high school students...

Gotcha...

So for the record, the average age of a 9th grader is actually 13 to 14 years old. Not withstanding those two kids that xCLAVEx knew that failed a year and somehow made it so everyone in his school was somehow a year older.

Like that makes any difference here. I mean, at xCLAVEx's school people were not minors their junior year. So, I guess at his school it wasn't a felony to show porn to the upper classmen. It was just immoral.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Andino can get off his high horse any time now. Andino over-reacts and gets all high and mighty when called out for it. Gee, 3rd person references are fun huh?

[andino]

Originally Posted by xCLAVEx

Andino can get off his high horse any time now.

I'm totally fine being on the high horse if that horse is the 'not showing porn to kids', 'not minimizing child sex abuse', and 'not victim shaming children for sexual abuse' horse.

I seriously don't understand how an argument can be made against that....

Andino over-reacts and gets all high and mighty when called out for it.

If you think my reaction to your posts here are over reactions then you woefully misunderstand the situation that you are advocating. I believe that most people would act a WHOLE lot worse to your posts.

You called a child that was a victim of a sexual assault a snowflake. You said she would be a virgin for the rest of her life because she was assaulted. You said that she wasn't ***that*** young to be a victim even though she was a minor. Then you minimized the situation with your own porn history.

No, I'm pretty sure most people would find that offensive.

And that's not even delving into the 8 year old thing....

Gee, 3rd person references are fun huh?

You know, there is nothing that you can say here that is going to better your arguments in this thread.

Trying to blame me for a personal attack that quite frankly isn't there, isn't going to diminish the words that you wrote about this kid, about how you viewed this situation, or about how you view sexual assaults and minors in general. It's not.

I had asked for this thread to be closed. Not because I had some kind of personal beef with you. I think that your opinion and your posts on this assault shows poorly for this whole message board. The fact that this thread is still up is unnerving. This thread has shown how multiple people including apparently a mod is apparently fine with minimalizing sexual assaults on kids. That is disappointing.

There are some things that should not be allowed to stay up. Threads minimalizing sexual assaults on children and victim blaming them should be one of those.

[xCLAVEx]

Originally Posted by andino

snip.

And I'm totally fine with you being offended. As far as I'm concerned, that is your problem not mine and you'll have to deal with it. I won't apologize to you for it, so you can look elsewhere if that is what you are trying to get.

Either that, or you are desperately trying to get the thread locked. If it happens then it happens, that will be up to a mod to decide, but you are determined to see things in a way that has already been made clear was not the intent and continue to twist words around to your warped viewpoint. Again, not my problem.

[andino]

I totally stand behind every single thing that I have said in this thread.

I'm not so much offended by what you said as I am shocked that it is allowed to be expressed and not be repudiated harshly. Sexual abuse of children isn't something to be made fun of. It's not something to be minimalized. It's not something that should be written off because the kid is an older kid. It's not a joke. And it sure isn't something that the child should EVER be criticized for.

For the record, I'm not warping or twisting your words. I'm pointing out that your arguments are morally flawed. Others are pointing that out as well.

I'm very sorry for you that you don't understand the severity and the damage that your words and beliefs can cause and I really do believe that that says more about you and your thought processes than it does me. I said from the beginning that you needed to delete this and that your posts were making you look bad. I suggest that you reevaluate that request because the entirety of this thread and all that you have posted in it does not look good for you or for this message board.

[xCLAVEx]

Originally Posted by andino

snip

If it was an overly sensitive child, which is possible then I will rescind the "snowflake" comment, but I won't back off that I think it is an over-reaction by you. You are clearly a sensitive individual and maybe you had a bad experience as a child yourself, or knew somebody who did.

While I can't speak to that, I can say that your overreaction is unwarranted, and what this says about you is that you are demonstrating a lack of ability to comprehend a response and instead see what you want to see. This is not advocating "child abuse" at all and to twist that around in the way that you have speaks to your thought process quite a bit.

I can see talking to you about this is a lost cause as you are determined to see what you want to see even after it's been explained multiple times, so I will let you have the last word.

Good day sir.

[Munkus]

Good grief, guys. Get a room.

[Koenig]

9th graders are 13 when they enter High School and turn 14 during the school year. I believe clave is forgetting he turned 15 his sophomore year like the majority of us.

[xCLAVEx]

Originally Posted by Koenig

9th graders are 13 when they enter High School and turn 14 during the school year. I believe clave is forgetting he turned 15 his sophomore year like the majority of us.

No, I turned 15 in 9th grade, 16 in 10th, 17 in 11th and 18 in 12th, as did most others I went to school with. If I was 13 when entering 9th, I would have been turning 17 in senior year.

[Koenig]

Originally Posted by xCLAVEx

No, I turned 15 in 9th grade, 16 in 10th, 17 in 11th and 18 in 12th, as did most others I went to school with. If I was 13 when entering 9th, I would have been turning 17 in senior year.

Actually, I got my math confused. I was thinking I was 14 when I moved from Houston. I forgot I was 15 that year. oops

[xCLAVEx]

Originally Posted by Koenig

Actually, I got my math confused. I was thinking I was 14 when I moved from Houston. I forgot I was 15 that year. oops

[Nunz]

I was 13 as a Freshman. It depends on your birth month. Some make it just before the cutoff.

[Vanz_007]

I was 23 in the 9th grade, is that bad?

[Canesfan2020]

There are still two discussions happening here.

One is the legality of it.

The other is reaction to the human body.

Someone reacting to "traumatized" has nothing to do with is the event legal.

One can question the reaction regardless of discussion of legality

It's okay to have an opinion of one without the other.

[theduce]

Originally Posted by xCLAVEx

Also, how do they not know who showed the video? Doesn't each zoom call session show who is logged in? If one showed it, it should be a fairly simple matter to see who did it but they are saying they don't know who did it and are trying to figure it out? Does the school not have an I.T. department?

My wife teaches 11th & 12th grade. She has been "zoom boomed" where kids will stream BS during class. There are ways for the kids not to be identified. Some of the stuff streamed was terrible, like really bad.

Have you ever seen a woman getting her head flushed in a toilet while some guy pisses in her mouth while she cries? Now, of course I have, but I did not want my wife or her students to.

Teachers have not been trained how to deal with these issues. IT departments are dealing with thousands of teachers who have never done more than turn a PC on.

[Vanz_007]

Originally Posted by Canesfan2020

There are still two discussions happening here.

One is the legality of it.

The other is reaction to the human body.

Someone reacting to "traumatized" has nothing to do with is the event legal.

One can question the reaction regardless of discussion of legality

It's okay to have an opinion of one without the other.

is it okay?... thanks for clarifying what it is okay to have an opinion on...

[Canesfan2020]

Originally Posted by Vanz_007

is it okay?... thanks for clarifying what it is okay to have an opinion on...

You tell me? People are replying based on emotion and the traditional rage3d agree or you're a piece of **** without even considering what the other person might be trying to say

Forgetting whatever condescending zinger you think you just pulled.

The two sides are so diametrically opposed neither are considering the others point.

I'll help you out. Is it illegal and immoral by most standards?
Yes

Is it possible the statement of traumatized is an exaggerated reaction?
Yes

[Hapatingjaky]

Maybe they played something with old Ron Jeremy instead of young Ron Jeremy.

[Evileh]

The funny thing is she probably knows what it is and uploads **** to snapchat and periscope nightly i bet. Just someone who is trying to start **** for whatever reason and have their 15 min of fame. That's all it is.

Just saying all these "kids" these days, aren't who you think they are. They know what they are doing, they know how to get publicity and how to get a reaction out of it.

[andino]

Originally Posted by xCLAVEx

If it was an overly sensitive child, which is possible then I will rescind the "snowflake" comment

If it was an overly sensitive kid then you rescind the 'snowflake' comment. Well, at least that is a start. Maybe you should think about rescinding the entirety of your comment aside from your pornography declaration. I mean, unless you still believe that the kid will forever be a virgin because she was a sex crime victim. I guess you are still ok with showing older kids porn if you aren't willing to rescind that comment too? So just out of curiosity, what was that age limit again? You said

but this isn't showing some 8 year old porn, these are at a minimum 15-16 year olds.

Is 8 year old kids your limit?

What is the limit that you believe should be acceptable for someone to make a kid watch pornography?

And why does it have to be only if the kid was a 'overly sensitive child'? You do understand that sensitivity doesn't play a part in the kid being a sex crime victim, right? I mean, they don't call off child rape cases because the kid was not sensitive enough. Hell, they don't call off child rape cases because the kid was an 'older kid' either...

I won't back off that I think it is an over-reaction by you.

A) Your entire first post was meant to illicit a reaction. "Snowflake much??" in't meant to illicit a reaction? Your follow up sentences where you victim shamed the kid was meant to illicit a response too. Even your declaration of your porn habits that was meant to normalize a sexual abuse of a minor was meant to illicit a response. It was very much a troll post from the start. All of that post was meant to illicit a reaction.

B) I don't think calling out your behavior is an over reaction. You are trying to normalize a sex crime and shame the child victim of a sex crime. Telling you that you are doing this isn't an over reaction. I'm simply pointing out what you are doing as not normal behavior because it is not.

You are clearly a sensitive individual and maybe you had a bad experience as a child yourself, or knew somebody who did.

Nope. No abuse with me and I don't think anyone that I was close to. I don't really know because attitudes like the ones expressed here with the normalization and the victim shaming cause and has always caused kids to hide sex crimes. That's part of the problem.

But why does that even matter if I had a sex crime happen to me or someone I know. It shouldn't matter. What should matter is that I care about the well being of kids enough to not want something like showing porn to kids to be normalized. No matter what age that kid is. It's not right.

By your statements in this thread, you are fine with that action A) if the kid is not sensitive and B) if the kid is some number of years under 18.

It should not matter if the kid is sensitive or not. It should not matter if the kid is 10 or 17. A kid is a kid and they shouldn't be shown porn against their will. Sex crimes where minors are involved are serious issues. Being flippant about it isn't cool. There isn't a grey area. If a kid is under 18 and is shown porn against their will it is a felony sex crime.

I'm sorry you are having a hard time understanding the basics here.

I said it before and I'll say it again. You really need to rethink your opinions on kids and sex. You are in the wrong here.

I can say that your overreaction is unwarranted, and what this says about you is that you are demonstrating a lack of ability to comprehend a response and instead see what you want to see.

I see a guy trying to normalize kids watching porn against their will.

I see a guy shaming a minor that was the victim of a sex crime.

I see a guy arguing the legality of the age of the minor as 'OK' to commit a sex crime against, you know, if they are 15 or 16 or whatever you age limit is. That seems to not be locked down yet.

Show me where I'm wrong because you haven't until this point.

This is not advocating "child abuse" at all and to twist that around in the way that you have speaks to your thought process quite a bit.

Trying to normalize the act of felony child sex crimes is effectively advocating for social acceptance. You do understand how that process works, right?

Also, how am I twisting your words when I am direct quoting your comments? I'm not editing your quotes. I'm not adding or subtracting your words. I'm giving your words back to you.

I can see talking to you about this is a lost cause as you are determined to see what you want to see even after it's been explained multiple times

I'm still looking for that explanation. I'd love to see your explanation but so far the only explanation that you have given is pretty sus.

You'll rescind the snowflake comment if and only if the victim of a child sex crime is sensitive.

It's OK to show porn to underage kids because you know, they are't ***that*** underage. Plus you looked for and found porn as a high school kid so victims of sex crimes shouldn't be offended because you weren't.

The kid will forever be a virgin because she was offended by porn.

That is not an explanation. That's actually pretty damn far from one.

That is normalizing sex crimes against kids and victim shaming.

Plain and simple.

[andino]

Originally Posted by Canesfan2020

You tell me? People are replying based on emotion and the traditional rage3d agree or you're a piece of **** without even considering what the other person might be trying to say

With a post like this...

Snowflake much? If she is THAT traumatized seeing a porn video I guess she will forever remain a virgin. I mean, these aren't small children here, this was in highschool. I saw TONS of porn videos when I was in highschool.

I really don't see how that can really be taken any other way other than a condescending reply to a kid being traumatized by some moron showing porn to a bunch of high school kids. What other point does that post make other than trying to victim shame a kid and normalize the action. I mean, there aren't too many different ways to interpret that statement.

The two sides are so diametrically opposed neither are considering the others point.

I'll help you out. Is it illegal and immoral by most standards?
Yes

Is it possible the statement of traumatized is an exaggerated reaction?
Yes

I totally agree that both of these statement could be true. I also don't believe that they are mutually exclusive. I really don't believe that the level of traumatization matters here. If the kid was horrified or mildly entertained shouldn't distract from the fact that the crime occurred against a minor. There is no difference between the way a victim feels or the severity of those emotions when there is a sex crime with a minor involved. Most times when sex crimes against minors occur the kids don't know that they should feel one way or another because they are not emotionally mature enough to understand that they should feel one way or another. That's why they are classified as a minors. And that is why pretty much all sex crimes against minors are felonies.

[KAC]

I am all the way with andino on this one. Anyone who thinks differently is an infidel.