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Old Apr 10, 2019, 09:17 AM   #61
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There's also the "too many front-ends" argument but let's be honest - Blizzard, Ubisoft, Microsoft and EA already require their own launchers (3/4 of those are already completely exclusive from Steam).
Why should Epic also not want a piece of the pie?

I don't think anyone hates launchers more than me, I absolutely abhor being forced to install new storefronts that require being run in the background.
But it's not going to change, it's the nature of the beast that is Digital Distribution.
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Old Apr 10, 2019, 09:39 AM   #62
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How *SNIP*re of the beast that is Digital Distribution.
Really don't think steam has to do anything at all.

As for exclusives, the way epic is doing it, absolutely is bad for the customer, there is a big difference from ea/ubisoft/etc games being exclusive on their own stores to starting a console war on pc.
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Really don't think steam has to do anything at all.

As for exclusives, the way epic is doing it, absolutely is bad for the customer, there is a big difference from ea/ubisoft/etc games being exclusive on their own stores to starting a console war on pc.
Tell me more, how do you see this issue?
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Really don't think steam has to do anything at all.

As for exclusives, the way epic is doing it, absolutely is bad for the customer, there is a big difference from ea/ubisoft/etc games being exclusive on their own stores to starting a console war on pc.
I hate exclusives, but that's a pretty brutal comparison. Consoles cost money and they're made by the same corporations that own the rights to their exclusives (in large part.) Your 2 examples are actually kinda similar.
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I hate exclusives, but that's a pretty brutal comparison. Consoles cost money and they're made by the same corporations that own the rights to their exclusives (in large part.) Your 2 examples are actually kinda similar.
While PS and Microbox definitely buy out games and publish them often enough, its only a portion of the exclusives. the majority of exclusives on consoles are not owned by either company. They do the exact thing that epic is doing. Paying a substantial fee to convince other publishers or indie devs to release solely on their console.
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Old Apr 12, 2019, 04:35 AM   #66
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Really don't think steam has to do anything at all.

As for exclusives, the way epic is doing it, absolutely is bad for the customer, there is a big difference from ea/ubisoft/etc games being exclusive on their own stores to starting a console war on pc.
If the higher-ups at Steam aren't on Orange Alert right now then they are stupid.

Epic exclusives aren't bad for the customer at all.
In this particular case the normies who do not care what launcher they have to use very much have it right, as this doesn't hurt us and so shouldn't concern us.

This is capitalism working as intended; big publishers competing with each other to guarantee game delivery to the consumer by offering a hand-up to the developer.

The only cardinal sin being committed here is that the elite PC gamer enthusiast is being inconvenienced.


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While PS and Microbox definitely buy out games and publish them often enough, its only a portion of the exclusives. the majority of exclusives on consoles are not owned by either company. They do the exact thing that epic is doing. Paying a substantial fee to convince other publishers or indie devs to release solely on their console.
If the situation is to be compared to console wars, then it's definitely taking all the best parts of it without being held back by the bad ones like being forced to buy an entirely new device to have access to all the games out there.

Hell, aren't some console exclusives now planning a PC release thanks to Epic throwing money their way, exactly how Sony and Microsoft do for their respective platforms?
And all we as the consumer has to do is install a different launcher.

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The issues this creates and the detriment on gamers and consumers a like is not something i am capable of explaining in a forum post.

However, in an obtuse kind of way it is akin to killing criminals so there are less criminals in the world to commit crimes. A positive outcome does NOT indicate a positive execution or way of thinking/belief. While it IS capitalism as intended, it is NOT capitalism as a benefit to society.
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While it IS capitalism as intended, it is NOT capitalism as a benefit to society.
Capitalism, as I know it, does not exist for the benefit of anyone except owners/shareholders.
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While PS and Microbox definitely buy out games and publish them often enough, its only a portion of the exclusives. the majority of exclusives on consoles are not owned by either company.
If Sony is the pub doesn't that mean they own it?
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I support more front ends,more stores, more launchers, more competition.

Steam needs to get off their lazy (non-making new Half Life) ,smug,complacent backsides and do something.
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I support more front ends,more stores, more launchers, more competition.

Steam needs to get off their lazy (non-making new Half Life) ,smug,complacent backsides and do something.
My concern about more launchers is that they all cannot succeed and stay forever. What happens to our licenses once these launchers go down? Can we still download? Can we even install without an operable launcher? I realise we don't really own games anymore at all, but I would rather not risk them to every fly-by-night that decides to make a new storefront launcher.
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My mistake then, shadowcult. Still I'd rather install a new launcher then buy a new console.
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My concern about more launchers is that they all cannot succeed and stay forever. What happens to our licenses once these launchers go down? Can we still download? Can we even install without an operable launcher? I realise we don't really own games anymore at all, but I would rather not risk them to every fly-by-night that decides to make a new storefront launcher.
This is why I only buy on big named company launchers.
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My concern about more launchers is that they all cannot succeed and stay forever. What happens to our licenses once these launchers go down? Can we still download? Can we even install without an operable launcher? I realise we don't really own games anymore at all, but I would rather not risk them to every fly-by-night that decides to make a new storefront launcher.
Welcome to digital distribution.
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Back in my day I could buy a game online and it would be a self-installing archive that you would have to backup yourself. That's how I bought Witcher 1 from Atari - but I lost the .zips and re-bought it on GoG
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Wow they changed absolutely nothing in the game. Would be a 5 dolla purchase.
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I dont know why they needed to do a whole gameplay stream reveal. Its Borderlands with a new story and more guns made by Gearbox. Its what everyone wanted and we didnt need some stream to confirm that.
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Hopefully we can still remove the black line shader like in the best - game looks a lot better to me without out.
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Watched 5 minutes of game play. Not quiet sure what has changed from the originals? Or at least from "Pre Sequel" which I'm playing at the moment. Slide into cover and some taunts before death from AI?

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There is nothing new.
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New sliding mechanic
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Weapons with dual fire modes which include different types of ammo
Oil barrels/surrounding oils can be set on fire for AOE
New melee mechanics, looks more powerful and you can punch barrels towards enemies

Those are some really good changes, but I stopped watching there since I didn't want the 4 hours worth of spoilers
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Those are some really good changes, but I stopped watching there since I didn't want the 4 hours worth of spoilers
That’s like saying my turd is now dark brown.
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Super special awesome spoiler warning. Shows some cool new stuff though.

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Launcher only matters to me if the game uses two launchers aka steam then Uplay. Rather just have a Uplay copy (ac ody I opted for Uplay over steam less drm too). Other than that it doesn't bother me. No duel launcher rather have it on steam as that's where most of my library is at.
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