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Old Jun 7, 2018, 11:53 AM   #31
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Supposedly, Nvidia will release a refresh part in august, as it's features will be discussed in a developers conference that I can't even remember the name of it, but it could be anything from a Pascal made at 12nm and clocked even faster while packing GDDR6 memory, or an actual new architecture.


2019 will be interesting in that AMD bypassed the 12nm step altogether and will go for 7nm when it comes to GPU's as shown with Vega, so the question is if Nvidia ( specifically TSMC ) will be ready for high volume 7nm production the way Global foundries seems to be gearing up for.


This could an interesting situation in a year's time....
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I like the talk about finally using infinity fabric with 2 or more gpus. But will it allow seemless crossfire support in games whether coded for it or not...

We'll have to wait and see...
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I like the talk about finally using infinity fabric with 2 or more gpus. But will it allow seemless crossfire support in games whether coded for it or not...

We'll have to wait and see...
depends on how they do it but I do think that is the goal and why they are using on chip HBM

if say two or more GPU's working on one 32gb+ memory pool all at once I don't see why not
windows would probably need to know about it thru a driver but not the games hopefully
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Supposedly, Nvidia will release a refresh part in august, as it's features will be discussed in a developers conference that I can't even remember the name of it, but it could be anything from a Pascal made at 12nm and clocked even faster while packing GDDR6 memory, or an actual new architecture.


2019 will be interesting in that AMD bypassed the 12nm step altogether and will go for 7nm when it comes to GPU's as shown with Vega, so the question is if Nvidia ( specifically TSMC ) will be ready for high volume 7nm production the way Global foundries seems to be gearing up for.


This could an interesting situation in a year's time....
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they got wind of AMD skipping 12nm and taking longer and they are going to milk 1080 & 1080 ti's till AMD puts out a gaming card .
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they got wind of AMD skipping 12nm and taking longer and they are going to milk 1080 & 1080 ti's till AMD puts out a gaming card .
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The disadvantage of being with just 2 major brands to choose from unfortunately.....It's one of those situations where you miss the old days with more brands to chose from, be it Nvidia, ATI, Matrox, 3dfx, S3, power VR.....The majority are all gone and we're down to just 2.
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The disadvantage of being with just 2 major brands to choose from unfortunately.....It's one of those situations where you miss the old days with more brands to chose from, be it Nvidia, ATI, Matrox, 3dfx, S3, power VR.....The majority are all gone and we're down to just 2.
for a year and a half maybe

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonev.../#528b3dbb3578

if Raja does nof **** up another one

and intel does not end up with more patent lawsuits from both NVidia and AMD than video cards

and then AMD will go after Raja and Intel if he uses anything that even looks like AMD stuf
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and then AMD will go after Raja and Intel if he uses anything that even looks like AMD stuf

They already are with some Intel chips having a Vega die in the same package, which for 1080p gaming is not exactly crappy by any standard.


Will they aim higher and if so, just how much higher is the question.....Intel and AMD have so many cross licensing agreements at this point, that it's hard to even know who developed what first.


It's no secret that Intel is for instance going to use the same multi die strategy that tread ripper does as a short and medium term solution, given how hard it is becoming to keep on shrinking the process node, and their latest joke with their 28 core CPU being aimed at the HEDT market, where said chip is normally clocked at 2.5 Ghz for a 200 watt TDP, but they got it to 5Ghz using a chilled water that cools the chip to -10*C and can dissipate 1700 watts of heat.....Picture follows :

https://imgur.com/CEeFky7


Seems that the chip was pushing nearly 1000 watts of power at 5Ghz.....They're scared stupid of AMD's 32 core thread ripper cooled with nothing more than this:


https://imgur.com/kjppWKw


Still running an all core turbo of 3.4Ghz, with a single core maximum of 3.7 Ghz at a 250 watt TDP......I can't wait to get my hands on this puppy in early august and double my current CPU power, while still using the same motherboard.....
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http://www.legitreviews.com/cooler-m...dripper_205969

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i'll stick to a little waterblock
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i'll stick to a little waterblock

Same here, with an EK block and a pair of 240 mm radiators and push pull noctuas just for the CPU alone in it's own loop...
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This had to come up of course, it's a oldie but funny as hell :


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I couldn't stop laughing.....
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Indeed, but AMD showed a working GPU at 7nm as well as the first working samples of a 7nm Zen at this latest show, even though it's only being released next year....


What has Nvidia shown in terms of actual working silicon at 7nm?....You guessed it, nothing.
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Indeed, but AMD showed a working GPU at 7nm as well as the first working samples of a 7nm Zen at this latest show, even though it's only being released next year....


What has Nvidia shown in terms of actual working silicon at 7nm?....You guessed it, nothing.
oh they have it and I honestly believe they could release the 1180 now or within a month or two if they needed to but will milk the 1080 and 1080 ti for as long as they can
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oh they have it and I honestly believe they could release the 1180 now or within a month or two if they needed to but will milk the 1080 and 1080 ti for as long as they can

Even those updates likely would still be 12nm parts, which they have Volta to prove it their using that process, but i haven't heard heard anything on the 7nm front?.....
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oh they have it and I honestly believe they could release the 1180 now or within a month or two if they needed to but will milk the 1080 and 1080 ti for as long as they can

The only way they could release it in a month or two is if they have the chips already made and stock piled. Which is something they would not do unless they where planning on releasing such cards, which they have already stated they do not plan on doing. It takes 90 days (3 months) just to fabricate/manufactor the chips, which does not include assembling the actual cards. So, no, they could not release the 1180 in a month or two at this current point and time.
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The only way they could release it in a month or two is if they have the chips already made and stock piled. Which is something they would not do unless they where planning on releasing such cards, which they have already stated they do not plan on doing. It takes 90 days (3 months) just to fabricate/manufactor the chips, which does not include assembling the actual cards. So, no, they could not release the 1180 in a month or two at this current point and time.
I was talking about their normal gaming card release

look at this new card today running on our test system

and 25 review samples are on the way to hand picked reviewers soon and then you can have the cards in 3 months or so after reviews

…….
but I think they have had working and ready samples for months and most likely before AMD had Vega 7nm
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I was talking about their normal gaming card release

look at this new card today running on our test system

and 25 review samples are on the way to hand picked reviewers soon and then you can have the cards in 3 months or so after reviews

…….
but I think they have had working and ready samples for months and most likely before AMD had Vega 7nm


They could also apply the same trick they've done a few times already......initial release cards are " founders " editions, directly from Nvidia and are sold at a hefty price premium, and cards from the major brands that carry Nvidia cards, only be released a couple of months later.....


The review cards could be the above scenario.
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Well, well....It seems there will be gaming version of the 7nm Vega after all according to hardware unboxed.....See just past the 4M20sec mark:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGRASKMCMXk



So it's not just radeon instinct compute cards using this chip..... And here's Nvidia still on 12nm as far as we know, so this could be an interesting 2nd half of the year after all.
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It wasnt clear whether it would be a 7nm vega or whenever navi comes out on 7nm. We'll have to wait and see but if its navi its a long way away. Probably end of 2019...

I get the impression from the presentation that AMD isnt sure what it will do next in regards to the vega to navi timeframe. Maybe they are waiting on what Nvidia will do and see if they bring out a new core or just another update to 7nm and when...
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It wasnt clear whether it would be a 7nm vega or whenever navi comes out on 7nm. We'll have to wait and see but if its navi its a long way away. Probably end of 2019...

I get the impression from the presentation that AMD isnt sure what it will do next in regards to the vega to navi timeframe. Maybe they are waiting on what Nvidia will do and see if they bring out a new core or just another update to 7nm and when...
there is some fud that navi is a 250 buck 1080 non ti

https://hothardware.com/news/amds-7n...nstream-prices

https://wccftech.com/rumor-amd-navi-...s-performance/

if it is just a 580 replacement

or if both I do hope they don't do the mainstream first
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We'll with Infinity fabric I get that they dont want to design huge chips anymore. Its too expensive. They dont need to *if* IF works as well on gpus as cpus. The high end navi will be a dual chip solution and the midrange a single.

I think they can easily fit, and with good tdp, dual 7nm gpus on one card.
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We'll with Infinity fabric I get that they dont want to design huge chips anymore. Its too expensive. They dont need to *if* IF works as well on gpus as cpus. The high end navi will be a dual chip solution and the midrange a single.

I think they can easily fit, and with good tdp, dual 7nm gpus on one card.
hopefully if they are ready for that this time I know the "next gen 7nm" was planed for that I think

maybe navi since they moved vega to 7nm early as a pipe cleaner

we can hope I would buy a "2 core gpu on a chip" that is 2x faster than 1080 non ti in a heartbeat, the thing would blow away my 1080 ti strix at 4k

if games only see one big gpu and cf profiles of game programing is not needed


and if the navi single core is 250 the duel core would be what 550 to 650 ?
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Doubt it... probably just the 580X launch.
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And something beefy enough to drive the new 1440p and 4k FreeSync 2 panels 100fps+. Another RX480 rebadge ain't gonna cut it.
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I can see why she did it from a stability standpoint. She wants to get AMD to STABLE and debt free footing. Semi-Custom is one of the best ways to get a stable and steady cash flow. One that they can depend on for consoles. So its not like I am mad at her for doing what she did there if true.

Don't get me wrong, I am loving AMD's share prices right now. I bought in at under $7.20 at 1000 direct shares and at $1.82 with 250 direct shares. Its above $16 right now.. Still, I don't like disgruntled employees leaving. If Raja wasn't given a fair shot, Lisa should address these stories imho.
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If that's true... I don't blame Raja one bit. You NEVER throw all your eggs in one basket. EVER. You shift resources as needed to get things done. Vega is an amazing product for what it is and based on that article.. how low on the totem pole it was placed. I'd love to hear Lisa Su's reasoning behind it all though.
It could be there were signs that Vega wasn't going to be up to snuff for gaming and they basically pulled the plug on it. Just finished it up for compute workloads, plus whatever gaming performance it could actually provide while knowing it wouldn't be competitive there.
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