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Old Jun 20, 2013, 01:29 AM   #151
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Old Jun 20, 2013, 01:31 AM   #152
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Actually all policy/DRM related posts were redirected here by staff.

Your meme is a pathetic attempt to avoid showing how little knowledge you have.

What's that...don't like someone who treats you the way you treat others?

Too bad.

Sorry folks...taking out the trash.

Let's not let this spoil a proper discussion.
How is rubbernecking at this **** storm Microsoft brought down on themselves in any way supposed to be a personal attack against you? Like I said in my previous post, I find it BIZARRE how you are interpreting people's posts about MICROSOFT as personal attacks. Get help, man. Really.
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Old Jun 20, 2013, 01:35 AM   #153
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How is rubbernecking at this **** storm Microsoft brought down on themselves in any way supposed to be a personal attack against you? Like I said in my previous post, I find it BIZARRE how you are interpreting people's posts about MICROSOFT as personal attacks. Get help, man. Really.


Rubbernecking is fine. I don't have a problem with that.

I'm saying that if you're going to say they could do both then you should really elaborate.

Saying they could do both without showing an understanding of the basics doesn't help anyone.

It just sits out there without meaning.

I'm writing this one more politely since you seem to be making an attempt at doing the same.

Also to say that you haven't made things personal on many occasions is disingenuous. Let us both be honest about that, ok?

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Think the right way to go about is offer the retail as people expect it, but make digital much more attractive.
Make digital purchases cheaper then retail, it´s already more convenient. (I dont see the point of "catering to retail" with digital pricing anymore as they basically went down a path that cut out much of the retailers revenue, prior to going back on it)
Heck if people are so fond of selling their games, they could set up some sort of "used games" market for the digital stuff aswell, where all the money go back to the people who made the game, and fronted the bill to do so.
If it makes the digital sales more attractive, why not?

But make it a more attractive choice, not the only choice, and then let people move over by their own accord.
So it sounds like they´re doing the right thing here by giving the consumer the choice.
Just make sure digital is the better option across the board, and people will move over and get used it.
As a long time steam users Im already very much in that digital world, retail hasnt been relevant in a long time for me.
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Think the right way to go about is offer the retail as people expect it, but make digital much more attractive.
Make digital purchases cheaper then retail, it´s already more convenient. (I dont see the point of "catering to retail" with digital pricing anymore as they basically went down a path that cut out much of the retailers revenue, prior to going back on it)
Heck if people are so fond of selling their games, they could set up some sort of "used games" market for the digital stuff aswell, where all the money go back to the people who made the game, and fronted the bill to do so.
If it makes the digital sales more attractive, why not?

But make it a more attractive choice, not the only choice, and then let people move over by their own accord.
So it sounds like they´re doing the right thing here by giving the consumer the choice.
Just make sure digital is the better option across the board, and people will move over and get used it.
As a long time steam users Im already very much in that digital world, retail hasnt been relevant in a long time for me.


If you do that you'll have people angry about disc based users being treated as second class citizens. It creates the perception that disc based users are inferior.

It is an even worse route from a perception standpoint.

I mean look at your 'catering to retail' point. If MS even stepped near that logic they would be called arrogant and condescending and out of touch.

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Old Jun 20, 2013, 01:42 AM   #157
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I AM very happy that i can buy used game on xbox one.

if not, i won't even consider buying it.

buit it hink they will make online key like on vita or pc.
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I AM very happy that i can buy used game on xbox one.

if not, i won't even consider buying it.

buit it hink they will make online key like on vita or pc.
Nope. It will work just like 360 and EA already said that regardless online passes are dead...and they were the only ones pushing that.
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I AM very happy that i can buy used game on xbox one.

if not, i won't even consider buying it.

buit it hink they will make online key like on vita or pc.
PS3 also has online keys and so will PS4. Depends on the developer.
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Nope. It will work just like 360 and EA already said that regardless online passes are dead...and they were the only ones pushing that.
Do you even have your information correct or do you just like to throw around stuff without any real knowledge?

Online passes on old EA games are dead only. EA will be the first one to re-introduce them. Publishers such as Sony, Microsoft, Warner Brothers, THQ, 2K Games etc are also pushing online passes.
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If you do that you'll have people angry about disc based users being treated as second class citizens. It creates the perception that disc based users are inferior.

It is an even worse route from a perception standpoint.

I mean look at your 'catering to retail' point. If MS even stepped near that logic they would be called arrogant and condescending and out of touch.
did you even read jolle's post? he basically said digital prices should be cheaper than retail. which is obvious since you need a clear incentive for people to buy in. And I'm not talking vaporware features here, i'm talking something consumers understand first and foremost, a monetary $$$ incentive. by your logic there should be a huge stigma around users who still buy CD's, that they're second-class citizens all of a sudden. That's clearly not the case. There are advantages to owning a hard copy of an album vs a digital one. And those who spend the extra $6 on average to buy the hardcopy know what it's worth to them. And likewise those who buy digital know what they're losing by paying $6 less. Give consumers more credit.

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Do you even have your information correct or do you just like to throw around stuff without any real knowledge?

Online passes on old EA games are dead only. EA will be the first one to re-introduce them. Publishers such as Sony, Microsoft, Warner Brothers, THQ, 2K Games etc are also pushing online passes.
Proof?

The last statement EA made was that online pass was dead with no intentions to revive.

Also I want solid proof. After all you say i have no real knowledge so let's see yours.
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did you even read jolle's post? he basically said digital prices should be cheaper than retail. which is obvious since you need a clear incentive for people to buy in. And I'm not talking vaporware features here, i'm talking something consumers understand first and foremost, a monetary $$$ incentive. by your logic there should be a huge stigma around users who still buy CD's, that they're second-class citizens all of a sudden. That's clearly not the case. There are advantages to owning a hard copy of an album vs a digital one. And those who spend the extra $6 on average to buy the hardcopy know what it's worth to them. And likewise those who buy digital know what they're losing by paying $6 less. Give consumers more credit.

Not an apt comparison at all. Digital audio as sold is far inferior in quality and the only benefit is that you save a couple minutes as opposed to having the disc and ripping it yourself.

If you're going to create a comparison you have to actually list things, not just act like they exist.

If you truly believe your comparison then point things out.

BTW you're using vaporware wrong. I'm not pointing that out to pick on you, but to let you know so you don't run into problems later.


Oh and I did read the post. Disc based users getting less features for a higher price is not a good thing.

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Proof?

The last statement EA made was that online pass was dead with no intentions to revive.

Also I want solid proof. After all you say i have no real knowledge so let's see yours.
First bring proof that EA were the only ones pushing online passes. I brought mine already.

Seriously, sometimes it is nice to just quit a forum and spare the residents the pain of reading incessant dribble.
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Bolded for emphasis. Might this leave open the possibility for shared library being enabled at a later date?

Sony went in a different direction than Microsoft with respect to always-on requirements and used games, and the latter company didn't hear the end of it. We certainly weren't buying the explanations. But that's in the past, now. As of today, the Xbox One has shed most of the policies gamers took issue with. According to Microsoft's Marc Whitten, that's not all the console lost.

"One of the things we were very excited about was 'wherever we go my games are always with me,' the VP of Xbox Live told Kotaku. "Now, of course, your physical games won’t show up that way. The content you bought digitally will. But you’ll have to bring your discs with you to have your games with you. Similarly, the sharing library [is something] we won't be able to deliver at launch."

Speaking to Polygon, Whitten said users "have to be connected" for the cloud-based processing to work, as you'd expect. "All of the things that require the Internet will require the console to connect. We want and expect most people to take advantage of those things, but we also want to give people the choice that they can play offline."

The family sharing concept was one I liked, in theory, as was not needing to keep the disc of an installed game in the tray while playing -- but not at such a high cost. Not even close. In light of today's news, Whitten also confirmed that there will be a day-one patch for the console.

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Bolded for emphasis. Might this leave open the possibility for shared library being enabled at a later date?
Sure. It's not like that stuff really depended on 24 hour check-in and banning used games anyways.
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First bring proof that EA were the only ones pushing online passes. I brought mine already.

Seriously, sometimes it is nice to just quit a forum and spare the residents the pain of reading incessant dribble.
Sorry, but I don't do things that are nice for you.

Show me other publishers that are using online passes other than EA.

The burden of proof is on you. You're the one coming up with supposition, not me.

You want to put a what if scenario it is up to you to back it up
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Sure. It's not like that stuff really depended on 24 hour check-in and banning used games anyways.


It won't come back without DRM. That right there, unfortunately, was a way of calming down the folks who did want it.

RIP shared library that allowed for current and 360 game sharing.

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Sorry, but I don't do things that are nice for you.

Show me other publishers that are using online passes other than EA.

The burden of proof is on you. You're the one coming up with supposition, not me.

You want to put a what if scenario it is up to you to back it up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_pass

Nub. Practically all big name publishers are in there. Technically MS also since if you didn't have Live you couldn't do online with any game.
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Nub. Practically all big name publishers are in there. Technically MS also since if you didn't have Live you couldn't do online with any game.


Well then you have to toss Sony in there now then since PS+ is required for all online multiplayer as well on the PS4.

We were talking about additional fees. You conveniently forgot the part of the article that proves my point about EA ditching online pass in all future titles and working to remove it in past titles as well.

Geez, now you make me sound like I like EA when in fact I am not a fan.
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I know what EA is doing but does not mean it may not come back. Sony has had additional fees on online passes for an age. Git with the times.
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I know what EA is doing but does not mean it may not come back. Sony has had additional fees on online passes for an age. Git with the times.
No Sony has not.

PSN had free online multiplayer for the PS3. It never required PS+.

The PS4 will require PS+ for online multiplayer.


You don't like it when the data isn't in your favor.

Perhaps someone should do the forum a favor by removing their annoying presence.

Look I didn't name anyone...so it is clever...right? *crickets*
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No Sony has not.

PSN had free online multiplayer for the PS3. It never required PS+.

The PS4 will require PS+ for online multiplayer.


You don't like it when the data isn't in your favor.

Perhaps someone should do the forum a favor by removing their annoying presence.

Look I didn't name anyone...so it is clever...right? *crickets*
Dumbass, Sony is publisher for Uncharted, God of War, Last of Us, Killzone and Resistance games. Their latest versions all came with an online pass. They charge not for the PS+ for MP, they charge by having additional fees when you re-sell the game and you need a code to activate any MP (which is free with purchase of the game disc for the first owner only and usually $10-$20 per game per used game unless the first owner had not used the original code).
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Dumbass, Sony is publisher for Uncharted, God of War, Last of Us, Killzone and Resistance games. Their latest versions all came with an online pass. They charge not for the PS+ for MP, they charge by having additional fees when you re-sell the game and you need a code to activate any MP (which is free with purchase of the game disc for the first owner only and usually $10-$20 per game per used game unless the first owner had not used the original code).


Keep up with the news. PS+ is required for PS4 online multiplayer, dumbass.

Look I can call someone names too. Aren't I so smart?

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Indeed. Buy what you want. Don't make the rest of us lose features because you don't want them.
I'm sorry, but I don't see the distinction between "Don't like it, don't buy it" and what forced Microsofts decision to revamp. I'm sure it took more than a vocal minority shouting on forums for Microsoft to scrap long term plans and policies. People must have voted with their wallets and expressed why they weren't going to buy it, so they revised.

As far as shared libraries, I don't understand why its so hard to implement considering its already being done to a degree with PSN accounts. Just needs to be fine tuned to have a limited number of linked accounts instead of the limit of the number of systems your account can be on that it is now.
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Keep up with the news. PS+ is required for PS4 online multiplayer, dumbass.

Look I can call someone names too. Aren't I so smart? :eyeroll:
I know, and that has nothing to do with MS policies. The policies were specifically talking about used games, checking in with server, DRM etc and not online passes.
You have to be called names just to talk logically and stay on topic of this thread.

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I know, and that has nothing to do with MS policies. The policies were specifically talking about used games, checking in, DRM etc and not online passes.


You are the one who brought up LIVE Gold.

If you get to use LIVE Gold then I get to use PS+

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You have to be called names just to talk logically and stay on topic of this thread.

No that just takes me off-topic and makes me realize just how pathetic you are. So I just use your own methods to mock you.
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